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Don't Accept The Dictum To Forgive An Abuser

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This article by a therapist does a wonderful job of summing up the argument against "easy forgiveness" so prevalent in our culture.

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I hope that those being told to "just forgive and move on" will find the strength to sit with their pain and do the work of facing it within a therapeutic relationship and not push it further down with the dope of "forgiving the unforgivable".
 
WOW! This, to me, seems to be a rare viewpoint. It also falls in line with my belief system (finally). I have spent most of my life forgiving people who repeatedly have raped my soul. No more.

I haven't the time to read it this morning, but it is of great interest to me as it gets into the topic more deeply than I have. I am interested in the Nature vs Nurture reference that was made as well. Thank you Muse.

One of these days I will come to terms with this stuff and I appreciate the helpful links.
 
I tend to agree. My personal understanding of forgiveness is about healing the pain caused by another. At that point, what they did no longer affects my life and I tend to see them as neutral at best. If some compassion happens, it does so on its own because I've become stronger, but not because of an ideal or should.
I've seen forgiveness forced, but when the pain is covered up, it finds its way out.
 
I would need to re-read and think more, but I think it was said that forgiveness is amazing and beneficial in a strongly positive, healthy relationship in which a minor hurt that was unintentional or unthinking and is apologized fully with understanding of what was done. Then go for it because you're getting a good/positive resource relationship back on track.

If someone has done nothing but permanently scar a child for life, society should NOT forgive, and nor should that child forgive. There is nothing to forgive. Forgiveness is a restoration of right relationship. If it was never right, there is nothing to restore but a fantasy childhood that did not actually happen.
 
I would need to re-read and think more, but I think it was said that forgiveness is amazing and beneficial in a strongly positive, healthy relationship in which a minor hurt that was unintentional or unthinking and is apologized fully with understanding of what was done. Then go for it because you're getting a good/positive resource relationship back on track.

I think you nailed this one for me. If the person who harmed is sincerely sorry and changes for the better and does not hurt me anymore, I am more in a position to forgive.

But f*ck this if the person is oblivious and does not make amends nor changes in any way. I stay away from people like this. Thank you so much for clarifying this for me. Great article.
 
Forgiveness is a bit like the "Love thy neighbour" concept to me.

I don't need to love my friggin neighbour! If me and my neighbour can go about our own business accepting the other's presence in the world, things work just fine. Same deal with forgiveness - if I can get to a space where I can just accept, that's enough.
 
Forgiveness is a restoration of right relationship. If it was never right, there is nothing to restore but a fantasy childhood that did not actually happen.

I agree, sorta. More pondering my own thoughts really but i think that can get hairy because what if there was something before the abuse? Like my mom for instence took a turn (not as big of one as I first thought but a turn nonetheless) where she was mom, simi loving-ish, not perfect but a mom and then turned at age 9 then more at age 12 to rather psycopathic. My therapist first called her a psycopath and she never showed empathy but to me, even if it wasnt for her, there was something before. And forgiveness is supposed to be for me and not her, right?

Sorry, it all gets rather muddy in my head around the topic of forgiveness vs acceptence and i got acceptance on another thread but if there are times that one would want to forgive, would it be on both sides where the relationship is restored? Or is it for you and not them? In your opinion of course.
 
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings with me and others on this subject. It seems to get deep fast if done correctly. If forgiveness is an automatic need jerk reaction for someone, a reflex because one "should do it" then it is in name only.

This is why I am set against the cheapening of something as powerful as forgiveness. Even if you look at the word itself. For (before/front) give (gift).

I was taught by a kind Christian lady who was my BFF's mom to forgive someone who had done something minor and wrong and was lying about it. It was this very same woman who taught me how Christian forgiveness works, in which you turn the other cheek, believe and give the benefit of the doubt, take the high road, etc. that allowed the pedo and his pedo adult daughter after prison to live with them and both abused their 4 children and also my sibling and I in their home and my home.

My point is that one can understand and practice forgiveness and in so doing give permission. The Bible said the opposite, I believe, that we should not simply forgive so that evil may abound. That is what she did.

Her children hold anger and resentment toward their parents for their naive and forgiving natures. They forgave the pedoes so entirely that they opened up their home and left them alone with their preverbal children.

You may say this is not normal, but I say that it is an exaggeration of the everyday forgiveness that is culturally endowed as fact by religious authority and tradition.

If forgiveness is to have any meaning in my life, to me, it has to purify itself as something real and something that is an agent of good consequence not bad.
 
I'm all for forgiveness & kicking them to the hell they belong, however possible.

Forgiveness isn't giving a pass. Forgiveness isn't condoning. Forgiveness to me reads making space within myself & finding some peace, and is not about them, but about me and reconnecting what healthy is left of me, after what they've done.

Works both ways, too; reconnecting with what remains healthy & learning to be better and do better and never f*cking cross some lines again after what I've done to others. The change that matters.
 
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