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Exhausted Even After Full Night Sleep With Nightmares

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Here_Still

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Hi folks,

I am finding that eventually when I do manage to get a full nights sleep I am exhausted and do not feel rested afterwards. Do others experience this? Are the nightmares happening at a different phase in my sleep than normal REM?

Attached to this query is I am re-experiencing the pain from brakes, cuts, jabs and punctures in the nightmares as I did from various events in real life. Has anyone had this is their dreams, too?

Curious to see what you have to share.
 
'Ugh'. Have you done any research on 'natural' sleeping aids. Nightly exercising and walks help me somewhat. I also stay away from certain foods that may interfere with a good night's rest. It's also best to try to avoid 'anything' that may set off triggers.
 
I frequently have what I call, "Working Dreams." I first clued into this class of dreams as I moved into fluency in a foreign language and went through a series of dreams over approximately 2 weeks where I was dreaming in every language I had ever overheard, whether I understood the language, or not. When I told the professor about these dreams, she got very excited for me. She said it was a sign that I was moving into fluency, that most linguists go through this phase when they are mastering a new language. Her theory was that the brain records random language acquisitions and files them under, "Foreign Language." In formal language study, the brain continues filing the new study until it has acquired enough of the language to create a separate folder for it. This dream series is about pulling the recordings from the generic folder into the language specific folder. It was an exhausting dream series. With help from my professor, I made it through and I did, indeed, take off like a bullet in the new language after the series was through. The professor had been "grading on the curve" and several other students were quite angry with me for raising the curve so high. The professor removed me from the curve for their benefit.

By this point in my personal herstory I had already gained a hefty reputation for "dream solving" in the engineering rooms I was circulating as a contract drafter/designer. It is where I would go to sleep ruminating over a problem in one of the projects I was working and wake up with the solution. The connection between the language professors and the dream solving was almost immediate. Later, in individual psycho-therapy, I came to believe I was sub-consciously plying the same process to my psychological problems. It does, indeed, make for an exhausting night's sleep, but the payoff is worth the investment.

That's my theory and I'm sticking to it. You may take it or leave it. Just sharing on a strictly personal level.

Gentle support while you sort, Here_Still.
 
I am finding that eventually when I do manage to get a full nights sleep I am exhausted and do not feel rested afterwards. ... I am re-experiencing the pain from brakes, cuts, jabs and punctures in the nightmares as I did from various events in real life. Has anyone had this is their dreams, too
? Wanting to find rest, and not getting it, while sleeping, is frustrating.

Yes, I've had similar experiences. It (trying to sleep but having my brain not let me rest) is a paradox that eventually 'broke' me; and I could say the paradox awakened me, and led to my healing, of many old traumatic experiences--that I had previously minimized, or tried to push under the carpet, so I could continue achieving academically.

What can I offer, if your dreams are of such a nature? Write the circumstances/dreams that you experience, and explore the emotional and feeling aspect of them, one by one, yourself, or ideally with a therapist or group. The process took me a few years, since I had a boat load of material that I had tried to side-line.

Doing the above activities helped me learn how to feel the associated traumas, and speak about them. This eventually cleared the 'sleeping work' I was doing at night.
Ah, rest again was possible.

Good luck in your discernment and solution-always creative processes.
 
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I have two methods of sleeping, one I wake up every 20-40 minutes or so, the other sleeping through the nightmares but being exhausted. If you're having nightmares then I think it's normal to wake up exhausted. Unfortunately I've found no quick fix with medication or therapy but I think that therapy is the way to go as eventually after having processed the trauma the nightmares will ease off.

My T was talking about my nightmares recently and said that before (I had repressed a lot of my abuse) everything was all shut off for my brain and therefore I didn't really get them as much or I woke up as a protective mechanism. Now the memories exploded out and I've since been dealing with things in therapy everything is open and exposed. I'm attempting to deal with them in life and in my dreams.
Are the dreams reoccuring or are they different with the same themes/elements.

I also wake up with pain where I had it before, my T thinks this is because I thrash around in my sleep a lot, but I don't think that's the case, I used to move around a lot more than I do now and I never had anything like this, I get physical bruising where I used to have it but it heals faster than normal bruising. I've spoken and read about other with this and I think it's a form of somatic experiencing and I get it after nightmares and flashbacks.

It is one of my current medications that is allowing me to sleep through the nightmares I think, even though it's an antidepressant but I can't figure out if that's good or bad!
 
This is my normal. Sleep mends my sanity, as in not all scratchy and impaired and hallucinating from sleep dep, it doesn't make me feel rested. Hasn't in... I don't know how long. I want to say ever, but I remember feeling rested as a kid, so I think since I was 17 /enlisted or thereabouts. Not as a regular thing. Maybe a few times a year I'll sleep myself out and wake up all vibrant. Instead, my normal is that I have about an hour or three in the morning where I convince myself to keep moving. Whether I sleep myself out, or drag myself vertical after a couple hours. Never thought of it as a PTSD thing. Would make sense if it were.

As far as pain while dreaming :D I probably shouldn't smile, but I meet very few people who remember pain vividly enough to dream it. Most people tell me it's impossible. And, in truth, most of the time I don't feel pain in my dreams. Other times? No so lucky.
 
Thanks everyone your feedback all makes sense, in the sense that I don't feel like an alien as much anymore, and it brings up more aspects of my sleep patterns. The elusive good nights' sleep, that promised land at the horizon is like a dirty trick as I have reached what I saw as the horizon I can see yet another horizon.

GregoryH, I appreciate the groan or shrug before the comment around the sleep hygiene/ritual and non-medicinal sleep aids. I suspect that so many of us would have movie and popcorn money for the weekend if we had a nickel for every time that we were supplied that by medical folks and call lines. I tend to cycle my sleep aids to suit what's going on, if I am just restless but calm inside then I may use melatonin or benadryl, and as the scale increases with the inner demons so does the sleep aid.

arfie, your comment of languages brings up memories from various recurring nightmares that include Arabic and Urdu in them. I am not speaking either in these dreams, but from my time hearing these it sounds pretty good.

change, you said it it feels at times my brain is fighting itself with sleep, the body wants to sleep but the mind doesn't want to go there. Then there are triggers and then the mind goes on alert and when that happens the body switches to and is fully awake with adrenaline. There is that tug-of-war for sleep.

Kas_Can_Fly, the 20-40 minute cycle of sleep sounds like what I have during the mild to intermediate nightmare phases, that sleeping sprints and then being horrified awake for a short duration then back into another 20-40 minute sleep. Sometimes, this is pretty neat or at least I find it sort of interesting, after being awake for 10-15 or even 20 minutes I have been able to carry on from the nightmare before. It pretty much sucks, but come on that is pretty cool.

Thrashing about in my sleep happens, and my two dogs tend to curl up against me for warmth, which is very comforting, and my dogs become alert to when this is going to happen and pull away usually before the thrashing begins. There have been times where if they were close to my legs that they have most rudely found themselves awake while being air born across the room. I have whacked furniture during the thrashing, on occasion dislocating various joints in my hand/wrist or feet, bruises and scrapes are common to wake up with. What you mention around your bruising sounds pretty interesting.

(also responding to Fridayjones, now)

My nightmares are a mix of things, some are recurring, others are recurring with flashbacks - with some of those being pretty much the same as the flashback but different characters, costumes, and scene - that are pretty much what the incidents were. Other are have recurring themes and elements, and there are also the bulk of those that follow the same rhythm, everything is utopic and honeymoonish, then transfers to a natural disaster, then transitions to needing to look after my group and relocate to a safer location while during the post natural disaster some form of civil strife occurs further complicating things, then things just get entertaining from there. I am always taking care of my group, always performing first aid/security/decision making/risk management for the group, there are always fatalities, we always encounter groups of individuals who are determined to do us harm to access our resources. Some of the conflicts in these dreams tend to replicate ones that I have had, and others are pretty much identical just with the wardrobe/scene changes, with the outcomes much the same - although sometimes my actions in the end change.

The pain in these nightmares usually replicates injuries that I have actually sustained in life, and often in the flashback mode it is verbatim to what happened in life. The event is the same, the pain is the same, the sounds and smells are the same. I get to hear everything again. In other cases in any of the other set of nightmares injuries that I have had in the past happen again however the mechanism may be different, but if it isn't in a vehicle it could be in a plane or helicopter and still wind up with a few of the main injuries from the vehicle life incident, or there can be added injuries from other life incidents. As in life, I am having to tend to these injuries on myself and on others, then having to coordinate others to assist. The pain and frustration is just the same.

Thank you all for adding your two cents, it is well appreciated.

Here_Still
 
my 0.2.....

I've had nearly constant nightmares since childhood. I don;t feel pain related to injuries but I do engage in violence and while it hurts, its disconnected, more like a sense of shock due the level of injury.

In what I call my denial period I was oddly disconnected to my nightmares, they didn't interfere with my sleep too much. When my PTSD erupted and I started therapy...its like my dreams started to bleed into reality. They are very sleep disruptive. I am a notoriously good sleeper but I go through bouts of severe insomnia and that no rested despite sleep bit.

Its awful, I feel for you.

As my denial has lessened it has been a mixed bag, some periods where my nightmares mellow but then I get really intense ones and they seem to correlate to flashbacks anymore. I had a doozie the other night.

In the big pic I think I have less nightmares now which is promising but too early to say. At night I use earplugs and I have a ritual which helps. I also use 5-htp to sleep, it helps me relax. Evenings are when I relax like most and my T thinks this is when stuff can sneak through my defenses. Interestingly this is when I also get arrhythmias.

I have read the htp causes bad dreams but it does not for me, I can't explain that yet. I dream less on it. When my insomnia gets overwhelming, I do endurance exercise, I figure the body will give. It does but I have to push hard, but I get rest then.

Good luck, Whirlwind
 
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