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Gaslighting: Protecting Yourself

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I can't believe i just found this thread and that there is a name for it! When I told my husband what my experience was, his response was, "that is how they break prisoners of war." I was floored. He compared what happened to me as someone who is put in a room with 3 lights and told they only see two and are tortured if the say they see three. He explained to me that eventually the person will become so afraid that they only see two. I was floored, not only to have someone understand and get it, but to have someone tell that I was not crazy.

Some of the things, I didn't understand what was going on or how they did it. I told him that was always getting phone calls for that person and when I would say "I know him, but this isn't his number." They would say his number and tell me that was the one they dialed. I thought i was going nuts. It never dawned on my until my husband told me, was that he was probably forwarding his missed calls to my number. Just that knowledge brought so much years of relief from thinking either I was crazy, or all these people were trying to mess with me, which didn't seem logical. It would be a stretch to believe that many people were involved. That seemed like schizophrenia thinking to me, but I didn't know how else to explain it, so I must have been crazy right?
 
I was reading through the article you linked BloominWInter and found it very interesting. Here is one page I found that describes the traits that are common for victims of psychopaths. I tick nearly every box at the moment...AND I've just met a guy I really like, and who seems to really like me too.

I am somewhat in need of attention, and whilst I don't like to think of myself as emitting a desperate vibe, I have certainly been searching for a love relationship for a while now. I'm aware that I am mostly everything this article states as being prime target material for a predator...and my vulnerability is obvious.

I will be keeping tabs on the guy and any red flags that may pop up. I already feel like he shared too much with me the other night, when we met up again (met him a month ago and he was supposed to take me out but it fell through due to health issues on his part.) On friday night he shared quite a lot with me, and it made me feel like I could share with him.

He already knows I have cptsd, and asked me how I came to have it. When I mentioned some stuff, I was wary to not go too into it about not having contact with my parents or brothers, as he is from the school of thought that parents do the best they can with what they have...which I totally get because I have also thought that way at one stage.

When I did start to go into the lack of compassion and mind games they played with me, he gave me the impression that he did not think my story was 'too bad' and even said "that's pretty much everyone" when I mentioned emotional abuse and psychological abuse. I hesitated to go further into the story after that and felt unheard and on the verge of being judged. We were drunk though, and I may have been thinking too much about it and trying to think I knew what he was thinking? Not sure.

I really do like him though, and I was already thinking of moving in with him and even having a baby the next day. He mentioned that he doesn't want more kids, so maybe he picked that up about me? I don't know if I am just having normal super excited thoughts because I've finally met someone I really like (though the last 2 I really liked I met at the same bar and they turned out to be wack?) It's too early to tell where this is going, but I probably 'should' be a lot more unwilling to trust him that I have found myself reverting to.

http://psychopathsandlove.com/traits-of-the-psychopaths-victim/
 
It is so hard for me to decide if the behavior of the other is intentional gaslighting or their own unresolved issues. Seperated from my husband for 10 yrs and no divorce, I have been broken down. He still wants to get back to gether. He made appointments for couples counseling, which he has always refused. That was a sign to me that maybe he is taking it serious that we cannot resolve issues on our own. I think he is passive agressive. The T diagnosed him with emotional developmental delay (unable to express emotions). Well, isnt that a nice term for passive aggressive. The T says he has a communication disorder with avoidant behavior. So we go to a couple sessions, and the T focuses on what we agree upon. We spend little time together and avoid anything serious so we can find things to agree on, but they have nothing to do with our lives.

Then last Sunday a male friend (gay) stopped to visit me. We were sitting on my porch when the estanged husband brought me a carton of cigarettes after returning from an all day baseball game out of town-even though he knew I was out since Friday and had no money. Husband walked past both of us and put them in the door and started to storm off. I said "hey, come sit down and he did for monent. I introduced them and then he said "I gotta go" and stormed off. My friend was about to leave and then he did. It was 9 pm and I went to bed. In the morning I got a text from husband that he cancelled 2 appointments. I told him that was foolish, that it is times of trouble that the counselor needs to see and mediate. After a talk and blaming me, he got the appointments back.

The T pointed out that he jumped to conclusions. That he had a knee jerk reaction in cancelling and then rescheduling. He asked him why he had not asked me who the guy is or how I know him. He pointed out that his thoughts lead to his feelings and he reacts on them. When we were together, he never showed any emotion or got angry, but ever since, he has made everything my fault and our manipulative daughter would call him crying if she had to vacuum and he would debate it for hours. For the past year, I have had no relationship with my daughter because of the triangulation created, her drama, and his attacks on me. Once seperated, the anger toward me came out. While it was validating for the T to point out my being reasonable, and husbands lack of communication, abandoning, and reacting inappropriately. But along with that validation comes my feelings of being abused for 10 yrs by him and daughter-they are crazy makers. They collude with each other against me, punish me, cut me off, or anything else to discredit me and make me look nuts. Does it matter if the gaslighting is deliberate if the outcome is the same-and I am broken down in every aspect of life and it has debilitated me in every aspect of life.
 
Most guys have trouble with expressing their emotions verbally I thought. Their conditioning dictates to them to not be emotional. I find it disturbing that the psychiatric community keeps coming up with more and more "disorders" to have that describe perfectly normal responses to societal realities like conditioning! I'm not a psychiatrist and I don't know your husband, or his issues, but this sounds to me like he's had a label wacked on him and pathologized his normal inability to express emotions. Most guys are like this...and it doesn't mean they are disordered. Rant over.
 
Not sure what normal is, but he is not normal. Truthfully, I have been told by past counselor and my own that he is passive aggressive-which is a style of communication that really needs treatment. But most passive agressives not only deny it, but believe they are not. So I think they can gaslight unintentionally, or at least possibly.
 
Yes, I'm sure they can. My mother is quite passive aggressive in her style of communicating...at least with me she is. She seems to behave differently with my brothers and father? I'm the scapegoat though, so...I've read that passive aggressive people are some of the hardest to deal with, up there with narcissists and sociopaths. My mother thinks she is a great communicator.
 
All of the material that I have read on passive aggressive, (there is a forum for that too,) it says that it is one of the hardest behaviors/communication styles to correct because the person truely believes that their motives are not to punish, frustrate, or aggravate the other person. I have been seperated for 10 yrs and he has refused counseling until about a month ago. He does not take criticism well. He tends to avoid issues and I tend to confront problems. I may see something as problematic, and he denies it to the hilt.

For example, twenty years ago he wanted this 100 yr old house, it was not cheap, and still needed a ton of work. I was against it, but after a lot of pressure and promises from him that he would take a second job if necessary, I agreed. For 9 months, we had not sold our other house, so we were really in deep. I managed all the finances and was under big stress, often putting the grocieries on the Visa. He was oblivious to the situation. I would talk to him and he would avoid, saying it will get better. I had to go on anti depressants for the first time. He did a lot of work on the house but it was slow. Whatever I asked for, I was told that it could not be done-such as an electrical outlet in a certain spot. With 2 little ones, it was too much for me to take care of while working and in school, yet I sanded floors back to original, painted, etc. He slacked off-leaving me with too much. Every once in a while I would demand family help for an hour on Saturday morning. He would agree for a few weeks and then the excuses came, that he scheduled something for himself or kids soccer or something.

In addition, I got my masters in counseling during this time. But even before this, I read every book on child raising. I am not guided by every book, but I do believe in taking what you can use and fits for your situation. I taught parenting classes for court ordered parents. He would agree to my wishes when we talked about it most of the time, but when I was gone, do something else. In addition, I knew our youngest daughter had something going on. It looked a ADHD w/o hyperactivity. By middle school, he took over helping her with homework (actually was doing some of it for her). She is real smart but cant get the work done in the time other kids can, so she was up til midnight. I pleaded with him to let her fail so we could get a correct diagnosis. That was not happening with all A's and occassional B's.

If I went out in the evening, he would lock all the doors with chains so I couldnt get in. He would be in bed watching tv and I would pound on the door for 20 minutes. I would be mad and he would say he was sorry, its just a habit and forgot I was out. I could name a dozen other things. The fact is, he showed no initiative or motivation, but if I asked him to do something he would, about half the time what I asked, the other half playing dumb. There was always an excuse, (I forgot, I didnt understand, I did it out of habit-not thinking). But his emotions were like a flat line, rarely showed any anger, but no excitement, passion, etc either.

Eventually we seperated. All his life he had been (appeared) very passive. Someone once described him as very agreeable. Once seperated, our girls were 13 and 15. The 15 yr old was very head strong. Any rule she did not like, she would call her dad and the triangulation would begin. She would put me on the phone with dad and he would want to know what was going on, everything from why she has to vacuum, to Mom is crazy. She pulled her teenage stuff and he always sided with her. The younger one was eventually diagnosed correctly. She has an auditory processing disability. However, she did not get diagnosed until 15 or 16, which leave very little opportunity for help. Therefor she is very dependent on her husband, who she married 5 months after graduating high school.

They are now 24 and 26. The 26 yr old got everything she wanted and was extremely dramatic during high school and early college.
She always drew her dad in to a triangulation. She was very mean to me and her younger sister. He refused to let me sell this huge house and in 2006 I had a bad accident. They were still left with no responsibility for the house-not vacuuming, not yard work, not trash, not the dogs. I eventually heard that I was crazy so often, and she told anyone who would listen. I had to give up my career altogether. She even assaulted me hard one time and I made a police report before she could change her story. She admitted that she shoved my head in the refrigerator and the police asked if I wanted her arrested. I did not. I just wanted it documented because she lies. To this day, in marraige counseling he said he does not know the truth because the daughter denies. I told him for $25 he can read her admission in a police report. She has talked to me in no way that a daughter should talk to her mother. I feel very broken now. She is not an attorney (perfect) and she has gained 120 pounds since high school. I know she is suffering. We stopped speaking last year when I ran out of money from my accident.

Most would wonder why I would go to counseling with him and try to salvage this, particularly when our children have been psychologcally damaged through this. In these 10 yrs I have dated and there are a lot of creeps at my age. I see a lot of narcicist and sociopaths. I am physically, emotionally, financially, and spiritually broke. All through this, he has a way of saying I am wonderful and then making me feel crazy.

I also understand that he grew up in an alcoholic home as I did. In my house, with 4 older sisters and a mother, words and emotions flew and anything went. Probably why I went into counseling, to find peaceful resolution. He also grew up with both parents and a brother. His father was strict and emotions were forbidden, and his mother invaded his space and has no boundaries. So I can see how he got this way. If he can't change, I won't be able to live with him the way things were. But in only 3 sessions, issues have come up that have been addressed. I hope he is really getting it and not pretending. Otherwise, I am sure I will stay alone.
 
All of the material that I have read on passive aggressive, (there is a forum for that too,) it says that it is one of the hardest behaviors/communication styles to correct because the person truely believes that their motives are not to punish, frustrate, or aggravate the other person. I have been seperated for 10 yrs and he has refused counseling until about a month ago. He does not take criticism well. He tends to avoid issues and I tend to confront problems. I may see something as problematic, and he denies it to the hilt.

Gosh, this sounds SO much like me and my mother, it's not even funny. Her avoidance would cause me to go the other way and be confrontational, which made her avoid and stick her head in the sand even more...which made me confront even more...ad infinitum. I'm sure my mother thinks in her head that giving me the silent treatment for up to 2 weeks was not really punishing me either. As long as it makes her look good and me look bad she's happy with that.

I remember once she told me that I "enjoy conflict". I've had other women tell me that as well. My answer is always the same..."I don't enjoy conflict at all, BUT I recognize it when it is there and want to grow from the opportunity to deal with it maturely. Trying to find other people willing to actually go there with me when conflict arises is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.
 
I'm new here & this is all a huge learning experience for me. I believe I have been "gaslighted" in my relationship with my ex-boyfriend.

This is exactly what I have endured for nearly a year & a half. I just broke up with my boyfriend & he constantly emotionally abused me like this. Ironic things would always happen & he'd immediately tell me how "f-d up I am in the head", how the problems were always me-while reminding me of what a great guy he is. So many crazy things happened & he would always turn the tables around & say: "you're your own worst enemy". When he was on a trip, he looked up "escort sex" a couple of times, while going back & forth to his online banking. I brought this up to him, and he swears he didn't do it, it was the other pilots he was with. He says "someone" borrowed his iPad & then he'd go back to his online banking & then someone would borrow it again. I asked if I could talk to "them" & he changed his stories a few times. First he said it was one pilot who was new to the company, so he wouldn't allow me to talk to him..then it was another pilot who couldn't be reached because he lived out of the country. He's a pilot & wouldn't even want me to know where he was staying when traveling on the road. He'd turn his phone off often & was I reachable. If I complained, he'd turn things around again, having zero compassion & would tell me how insecure I was, how jealous I was & that I didn't trust him. He even has secret apps downloaded onto his phone, that "hide" information such as phone numbers, pictures, etc. Sometimes I'd see creepy pictures on his phone he'd take of random women just walking down the street, he even took pictures of women's purses laying on the bar tops. He'd drink 4 to 5 drinks at least per night, come home, only talk about himself & how he hated "n******", how he hated the cops, and how important it is to "cheat the system" so he could "come out financially ahead."

He is a hoarder, an alcoholic & a compulsive liar. Many of the pilots he works with cheat on their spouses & brag about it openly. My ex boyfriend, being the chief pilot of the company he works for, would even have an "APU party" where he'd land the plane & the pilots would start drinking. He has a fascination with cocaine & talks about it often with the other pilots. They claim that it's the drug of choice because it flushes out of the system quickly & they can easily pass FAA drug tests.

He also does creepy things, like not wear underwear & leave his zipper down MOST of the time in public. He claims he zipped it up on himself before & ever since he doesn't like to zip his pants up. Not long ago, I discovered he had a public storage unit he started renting after we started seeing each other & I demanded he show me the contents & after months of demanding, he showed me & it was filled with garbage, old scraps of food, beer, money was even crumpled up in the mounds of garbage & rat feces scattered throughout. I brought these issues up (and these are only a few issues)...and he'd constantly tell me that I was crazy, how the people he worked with, his friends & his family all thought I was "f-d up in the head" and I "was out there."

He'd constantly defend coworkers that did illegal activity. I was present for example, when a captain (who also brags about cheating on his wife & even about his cocaine binge in Vegas with a random woman....I was present when that captain had a flat tire on a Gulfstream in Mexico, and since they didn't want to lose business & wait for a replacement part, that captain had the Mexican people at the FBO full up that tire as best as they could (and beknownst to the passengers) and flew that plane as fast as he could to the next stop, before that tire would become flat again before landing. I mention these things to my no we boyfriend, since he is the chief pilot & he defends these actions & says nothing is wrong with doing these things, that I'm the one making the big deal out of things & that "all companies do things like this." He's even aware that there was an electrical fire smell in the cabin & with the help of the copilot, we discovered during flight that electrical wires were taped together with masking tape. But for some reason, my ex keeps saying I'm crazy & continues to defend illegal activity. He keeps reminding me how the FAA lives his company & that they love them so much, that the FAA even offered him a job there. I'm blessed I'm finally out of this relationship for good. Even his own family stuck up for him.
 
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