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Good sites to "unbrainwash" or "deprogram"one self?

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Just want to remind you, something that I think @scout86 mentioned - words matter....

Holy shit, this like totally discibes me (i mean good alternatives for me) especially the critical self and the emotional reasoning. I think i totally fogot that i display more BPD thoughts & emotions more than PTSD.

I dont think it changes the process, just helps me to remember there are 3 diagnosed disorders and one possible & they all carry their own issues, they compound each other so it helps to have something like this downloaded on my phone.

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I was asked to stop assuming on other's threads; i really wish other's would stop assuming on mine.

Going back to look at this downloaded pic.
 
Can you correct the language? What would be more accurate, as a way to describe the individuals you upset? Names aren't relevant, just numbers.

Trying this now being re-triggered so forgive me if its not as nice to me as it should be (feeling like doing something very not nice to me right now) but attempting to snap my head of of that.

Only a small number on the site have felt the need to block me, but thats ok as i wont and dont need to have everyone like me. Its only automatic thoughts, due to my past, that says everyone must like me.

In addition, due to being re-triggered I also want to remind myself this:

I am not an animal abuser and even though I was forced to kill small animals in the past, I have not done so as an adult. This one ritual i do struggle with but have already put into place allowing my dog to sit w/ me, pet him, hugged him, talked to him and found a lot of emotions around the ritual that one day I hope to break down and deal with and look forward to this being out of my life soon; but must remember it is a step by step slow process and I must not push myself faster than I can go just because a few says I should.

Better? It did help the trigger to do this. I like doing this! :)
 
It might help to also remind myself:

My mother and step father were f*cked in the head pedophiles that forced their child to do unthinkable things; the blame is theirs, not mine!

Blame very much wants to move back over but damnit, i need to keep it where it belongs!
 
I thinks Simon's suggestion is a very solid one... "have you looked into the forums at the Rick Ross Institute? Rick Ross is a deprogrammer who is a certifiable badass, and his institute is dedicated to exposing cults, educating the public, assisting survivors, extricating minors, etc." When/as you are able it might be really assistive?
 
Only a small number on the site have felt the need to block me, but thats ok as i wont and dont need to have everyone like me. Its only automatic thoughts, due to my past, that says everyone must like me.
That's great work!

I can make some other suggestions, to finish it off, if they are helpful:

"have felt the need to block me" - avoid both passing judgement and projecting others' feelings. Instead, say "have blocked me". Trying to get things down to just neutral facts, as much as possible, will always help diffuse part of the negative emotion.

"won't and don't need to have everyone like me" - always watch out for the word "need" - it's actually part of black and white thinking. Now, sometimes we are 100% sure about something, and that's OK. But if you've generally got tendencies to make things black/white, it's better to level things out. I'd suggest, instead, "I accept that everyone won't like me all the time", or, using the front of your own sentence, "I'm OK with that, because everyone won't like me all the time."

"only automatic thoughts" - I think you are maybe minimizing them, which is a kind of judging of yourself. I understand wanting to make them smaller, but really, better to practice removing judgemental language first...

So, I'd reframe your statement as:
  • A small number on the site have blocked me. (fact)
  • I'm OK with that, because everyone won't like me all the time. (acceptance and balance in response to the fact)
  • It's automatic thoughts, due to my past, that say everyone must like me (source of the original emotional stress).
And there's no right or wrong here - I am offering this so you can see if removing the judgements and projections make it even better for you, that's all.

This link: http://www.cognitivetherapyguide.org/thought-records.htm has two different kinds of 'thought records' on it. Either kind you use, they walk you through all the steps of re-framing an emotionally distressing ("hot") thought. It's the main tool used in 'drilling down' to the center of a thought, and re-framing it.
 
That's great work!

I can make some other suggestions, to finish it off, if they are helpful:

"hav...

Good ideas! Still sorta trying to understand it. I feel asleep looking at that site. Cant seem to play their flash videos though (i have flash on my android & on firefox; comes up w/ first pic of the video but wont play after that) but "be a tree" and "be a flower" sorta made me laugh. Im sure its good though.

I may up getting the DMT sourcebook my therapist showed me but i cant seem to get through the PTSD one & havent even started Risin Strong yet. Not a good book reader ao maybe websites are better?

I posted on my diary some good thoughts.

I dont judge others at all, i judge myself based on what others say and i need to stop that.

Black & white thinking is something thats hard to stop doing but trying.

This helps, helping me learn how to think better and its actually helping my automatic thoughts some i think.
 
Better? It did help the trigger to do this. I like doing this!
Yay!

"won't and don't need to have everyone like me" - always watch out for the word "need" - it's actually part of black and white thinking.

I would also add that even the words good/bad are fairly black and white as well. A common phrase from DBT is to change I am bad or any other negative self talk into something like "I have been doing the best I can, and things need to change." It is neither all one or the other. It's less about good and bad, and more about accepting what is with a non-judgemental stance.

All the ways you ask about being bad reflect that you are very judgmental about yourself. Making judgements rarely helps fuel change. Acceptance can really help fuel change. And I know that you do want some things to change.

Everytime you get stuck on various ways you say or show to yourself or other people that "I am bad" or ask people "Am I bad?" to try to pause and take out the word "bad" and try to tell yourself: "I have been doing the best I can, and some things need to change."

That thinking fuels to then looks at ways ti change. "I am bad" - doesn't. It's not a useful thought if the goal is change.

It reminds me of how I used to ask my therapist all the time, "Am I crazy?" I would then list for her 100 reasons I thought I was crazy. I thought the problem behind much of my depair was that I either wrongly thought I was crazy or I was actually crazy. My therapist could have sat there all day and told me I was not crazy, and I would have thought of something else. We did initially did go through my thoughts as to why I thought I was crazy, and she did initially refute them.... but it wasn't helpful. For the same reasons others here have pointed out, there were deeper reasons why I was so bent on I am crazy.

My therapist told me that I was trauma bonded to the thought itself.

So she approached it differently. She told me that if I was crazy, then well, I need therapy all the more! We both laughed.

Then she asked me, "what does this automatic thought do for you?" "What do you gain by thinking "I am crazy" or being worried about being crazy?"

At first, I looked at her like she asked me the worst thing. I told her, I don't gain anything by thinking this.

I was incorrect.

What I gain is that I escape the true work of dealing with the trauma, I have a way to blame myself and not face what has been lost. I maintain some kind of bond or connection with the abusers by believing what they told me. I also buy into the belief that crazy people do crazy things, and then I'm more likely to keep doing crazy things. Thinking "I am crazy" is also a way to set a boundary between me and everyone else. I am separate. I am not them. I am other. In the end, thinking and believing I am crazy didn't really help me do anything I actually wanted, it didn't help me change, and "helped" me escape the grief and pain of the trauma I went through.

I wonder if the same might be happening for you, only change out "crazy" for the word "bad." It does not surprise me that as you begin to get unstuck, or less bonded to these thoughts, and begin to change them with other more useful thoughts, some of the grief of what you lost as a child, what your inner child did not get, is coming more to the surface.

For me, part of changing the automatic thoughts was recognizing that my abusers were abusers and I did not want to agree with them.

Sometimes, when I got caught up in thinking negatively about myself, my therapist would ask me, "Do you want to agree with your abusers? They thought you were terrible. Do you want to agree with child abusers?" My answer was no. It was a confrontationally kind thing that helped snapped me out of the automatic thoughts. It helped me slowly break that bond.

You are doing that in a different way by going back to identify them as pedophiles. Good. Now keep choosing to reject what pedophiles believe, including what they believed about you.

My therapist would also ask me "what benefit negative self talk doing for you?" "Is another way to get what the negative self talk gets you?" Like escape from the grief that it wasn't my fault. Once we identified that, my therapist and I would work on ways to handle the grief and take breaks from the grief. Same for anxiety and etc.

This is another way of looking at it all, and doing basically the same work you are doing.

For more info on DBT, try googling "DBT self help" - there are tons of good sites out there. There are also some really good workbooks that help people with or without BPD.
 
"I have been doing the best I can, and things need to change."

I like this!

What I gain is that I escape the true work of dealing with the trauma, I have a way to blame myself and not face what has been lost. I maintain some kind of bond or connection with the abusers by believing what they told me. I also buy into the belief that crazy people do crazy things, and then I'm more likely to keep doing crazy things. Thinking "I am crazy" is also a way to set a boundary between me and everyone else. I am separate. I am not them. I am other. In the end, thinking and believing I am crazy didn't really help me do anything I actually wanted, it didn't help me change, and "helped" me escape the grief and pain of the trauma I went through.

Totally can relate! I have used the word "crazy" in therapy and he very quickly corrected me and still does. He doesnt like that word one bit.

But i do feel 'different then everyone else'...my therapist asked me if i was alien lol.

These changes of what i say here thus changing how i self talk a bit IS helping...a lot!

I think it also aligned with Stolkholm which my therapist says i have a bit. I want to have a drop down fight and stand up for my mom especially but even my step dad and have no clue why. Maybe its the blame that was on me? Now that it has shifted i can see them a little different, not much, but im not wanting to defend them much anymore.

But my brain isnt liking the blame on them at all and keeps trying to move it back over but the more better i get at these thinking patterns that seems to fade a bit more. Its why i keep posting the blame is theirs and not mine, sorta reminds me cuz to type i have to read/think so its helping.

For more info on DBT, try googling "DBT self help" - there are tons of good sites out there. There are also some really good workbooks that help people with or without BPD.

I have and will continue to. I dont think the work book will be worth buying as i think it will just sit there but i fell asleep on the site joeylittle posted last night.

Thank you for helping!
 
You are doing amazing work to face, challenge, and breakdown these thoughts and habits.

Something else that might be helpful is looking into mindfulness, and perhaps some mindfulness meditations.

I generally can't sit still long enough to do the kind of mediation where i sit still the whole time. Just makes me numb.

But there is a kind of mindfulness practice that I learned in DBT that was quite helpful. When I have thoughts that are really negative, self defeating, or etc, I sometimes use the technique of picturing each thought like they are a leaf on a river and watch them go down the river... Ok, so maybe it sounds a little hokey and woo woo ish, but it really works for me and it helps me give myself more room for more helpful thoughts. This was something I learned how to do with DBT.

That site Joeylittle posted about is an excellent one!
 
I would like to remind everyone that anthony just helped me take down THE BIGGEST wall blocking me from getting better early AM last Fri EST, before that i carried full blame for my ENTIRE past thus no matter how hard i tried, no matter what i did, i couldnt get anywhere.

Therefore in not taking suggestions & steps now because "the heat got turned up" or because i didnt want to, im getting better now BECAUSE I CAN.

Also i never blammed anyone for triggering me; it was the day after that, someone tried to talk to me about the dog thing and i was too emotional at that point to talk about it, polietly bowed out of the convo, then they brought it to this thread, thus when i got pissed off as they stated it was impossible to talk here because i advised again i didnt want to talk about it.

I shouldnt be reading it but i am and i feel like its a f*cking bash me thread and i thought we were all here to support each other.

Sorry @Justmehere on to your post, i just had to let that out.
 
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