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Honor Thy Father And Mother...

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Daisygirl

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Hi everyone! I have a great deal of anxiety about making this thread. However, I am hoping to get some responses that will help me put this issue to rest. Here goes.

Honor thy father and mother is a commandment from God. I have so much guilt over my relationship with my parents. My parents were my abusers throughout my childhood into teenage years. When I tried to talk to them about it several years ago, they disowned me and said I wasn't their daughter.

Then, after a couple weeks, I started getting angry, abusive letters accusing me of all kinds of things and telling me what a horrible person I was. Although I never said anything about pressing charges, my dad assumed I would sue him. He made threats that he would sue me and my T. He pressed me for her name several times.

I kept to the facts, didn't get emotional with them, although inside I was torn apart. I thought my sister would stand with me - because she was abused too, but she chose to stay in denial. When I didn't cave from the pressure, my parents said they wanted me back.

I was terrified of how far they would go to stay in denial and protect their reputation.

Over a 4 year period, I tried to keep contact with my mother and sister. I was dealing with flashbacks and memories so much, that I couldn't deal with my dad and how he had treated me.

During this time it was rare for anyone to ask how I was doing. If they did, I knew if I told my mother or sister anything that it would be turned against me into more guilt. They also frequently wanted me to talk to my dad, and they put a lot of pressure on me to do so.

For my own sanity and health, I said I couldn't do it anymore, so I broke off all contact. About 4 years later, my mother passed away. No one told me until 3 months after her death. My sister, ever eager to turn the screws, said that mom wanted me to be there but was afraid to call. She was afraid I wouldn't make the trip to see her.

I don't know if I could have made the trip. I had no emotional support from anyone during this time except for my T. But I know I would have talked to her on the phone. What would have been wrong with talking to her on the phone?

Anyway, a lot of Christians believe that Honor Thy Father and Mother means to do what they want - even if it isn't in your best interests. Have I sinned? I never called them names - never in my life - I never raged. While I lived under their roof I did what I was told, I never made waves. I tried to be invisible.

Lastly, I talked a pastoral counselor years ago. She said that being a good person honors them. That not following in their abusive footsteps honors them. Is it possible to honor your parents even when they don't feel honored?

I would be so grateful for any thoughts on this. I can't seem to stop feeling so confused and sad about this. I lost my whole family the day I talked to my parents. I should have known they would react the way they did. It was my worst fear - that they would disown me. I guess that my just thinking that meant that deep down I knew it could happen.

I have never been good at making friends, and losing my family has been so hard. I feel sometimes that my decision to break it off and everyone around me telling me I was doing the wrong thing means that I am wrong. That I really am the bad person here.

My husband believes that I made the only choice I could. I just don't know. I go over and over it in my mind, and I just can't see how I could have done different, but at the same time my choice doesn't seem Christian or acceptable.
 
I know how you feel. It actually took a lot of courage to do what you did. It really did. I was in treatment for an eating disorder and my parents were summoned for family therapy and I threw up before the sessions because I was so nervous. I loved my family. I spoke to a priest and asked him the very same things and he said no, that I had to honour myself. I did honour myself and I got better.

There was a lot of incest in my family (unintentional and intentional); my parents were broken. I had to get better; I had to choose myself. Its a moot point. To live or to die. Its basic survival. At the same time, if possible, I think it is probably helpful to try to establish relationships ( healthy) with your family if you are able to.

I was in a position many years later where a lot of people were putting a lot of pressure on me to take care of my mom--- after I was completely burnet out from taking care of my dad-- and I wasn't able to. My dad and I had a much better relationship so I was able to give; I was a cheerful ( for the most part) giver but my mom was/ is very abusive so I didn't help her as much as I could have.

I had a priest who, again, supported this decision suggesting that honouring your parents does not mean allowing abuse. Jesus said, " love your brother like yourself" but you have to learn to love yourself first. Thats the first part and loving yourself does not include allowing abuse, disrespect, incest, or any of those other things. Thats not gods law for our life.

Its painful to leave a system that is hurtful. I have actually just moved away from the town where my mom, and sister live because noone respects me. The system wants me to do all of the work and rewards a younger sister who lives out of town for doing nothing and its actually darker than that ( another conversation). I am not going back. To live or to die. You have chosen to live. Congratulations. Peace.
 
Thanks bethinhfx. I really appreciate you responding. I was actually freaking out so much that I had logged back on to change my post - possibly delete it! :(

I am sorry that you have struggled with your family so much too. I have such a hard time with choosing myself over my family. I just still hurt so much for their rejection and EVERYTHING.

I did choose to live. I also chose to live in truth and not a lie. It's been the hardest thing I have ever done to live with this truth. :cry: I wish I could have a healthy relationship with my dad and my sister. But nothing about their behavior shows any consideration for anyone or anything but their own needs. I have no idea how I could have a healthy relationship with them. I know my symptoms would get worse.

I know that your dad was lucky to have you there for him. I am impressed with your ability to let go and forgive! :) I am also impressed that you stood up for yourself in regards to your mom and sister and have now made the decision to move away to have a healthier life.

I did that too. After college, I moved to another state. At first everyone was like Yay!, good luck, etc. Then after 3 months, I started getting the guilt and the pressure to move back. It never stopped for all the time I stayed in contact from my sister or my parents.

I know how hard it is to start over, but you sound really strong and firm in your choices and that is awesome! :tup: I really need to do better with my attitude and stop letting this eat at me. I am going to bookmark your post and read it when I am feeling upset about my choices. Thanks so much!!!
 
I went through similar issues for years, and eventually shut my mouth, and pretended like everything was OK and now I'm sicker than ever. I'm sure there must be some scripture about parents taking good are of ther children... I'm wracked with guilt knowing that I'm going to have to re-enforce my boundaries with them for my own survival.
 
@ericaboo: You are worth it. Every step or decision that we make that honours the truth or true self the universe and god supports (in my opinion). When we are living in delusion or in denial or in a way that doesn't support us (taking care of someone over our own needs) we're not happy and neither is anyone else! To thine own self be true. You are not doing anyone any favours by not being true to yourself. Period. God wants us to be a cheerful giver. Peace.
 
I'm touched bethinhfx. I just don't know. What if I'm wrong... my truths seem to destroy the people I care for. Maybe silence is the best I can do...
 
Well, you don't have to take out an ad in the newspaper. Just take care of yourself- period. If your boundaries are tangled up then the best way to take control is to take care of your side of the street beginning with the smallest things. I am not an expert-- just my opinion-- but I honestly believe that god/ universe supports the truth even when its inconvenient. Go for it. Its your life; your decision. To live or to die. Peace.
 
Daisygirl, I applaud your courage to write it down. I know that it could not have been easy for you. I broke off contact with my parents 3 years ago for my own sanity. Friends keep telling me that my parents are not getting younger and that because they are my parents, I should stay in touch with them. That is NOT a good enough reason for me.

I have had many traumatic events in my life but it all started out with my mom verbally and physically abusing me from a very young age on throughout my teenage years. She is still controlling and I know she will never change. She lives in a "perfect world" well in her mind at least and my sister and I had to pretend that everything was just fine in our family. My dad was a cop and there is no telling what would have happened if I would have even tried to speak out.

Yes, I blame her and I don't think I have to forgive her. If I would have had a happier childhood, a somewhat normal one, I would have made different life changes, had developed self esteem, learned to stand up to people instead of letting them use me....etc etc

I need to focus on myself now. My health, my well being and keep my eyes on a road of recovery and healing. There is no room for my mom now. She knows I have some mental issues and of course is clueless. Her words were "ohhh I wonder where you got that from! Nobody else in our family has ever had mental problems". Welllllll guess what? My sister just started seeing a therapist too. Her life has not nearly been as messed up as mine but she has some issues to deal with herself.

Anyway, did not want to write that much about myself. Just wanted to encourage you Daisygirl to keep ahead on the road of recovery. I assume you are a Christian from what you are writing but in cases like this you should not look at it from a religious standpoint. Do what's best for you and don't listen to anyone else. This doesn't mean you are selfish whatsoever. If it doesn't aid your healing process, cut it out of your life!
 
Anyway, a lot of Christians believe that Honor Thy Father and Mother means to do what they want - even if it isn't in your best interests. Have I sinned? I never called them names - never in my life - I never raged. While I lived under their roof I did what I was told, I never made waves. I tried to be invisible.

I don't believe that by honoring 'them' would mean having to by-pass your own sanity to please them. What if they were even worse than what they were? What if they wanted to force you to hurt other people? Do you think God would think you were in the wrong for turning against people with black hearts?

I think that you can honor people by holding love for them in your heart, without having to obey whatever they say. I have a similar story of abuse, adults conspiring to lie about the abuse, and even self denial they did anything wrong -- EVEN in the face of their conspiring to get their stories straight so they come out looking like they have been part victim. It is really just so messed up.

The hard part is knowing what to do; what the right thing to do is. For, me, I had to cut the people wanting to do meharm in order to save theirselves out of my life. However, I work hard everyday not to hate them, and even have a kernal of love for them and wish them peace. I can not allow abusive people to poison my life, and that includes my heart. Having hate in my heart was a dominating feeling throughout my childhood -- especially toward myself.

Finding love for myself was so very important; it was the number 1 thing crucial to healing. That is when you can find love and honor for other people. Honoring your parents, for me, is holding well wishes for them -- but, I don't thnk it means you have to do their bidding or obey what they say. As a child, you had to obey; as an adult, you look to your higher power to obey. People are flawed. It would be wrong to follow people you know to be walking the wrong path.

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Daisygirl, AHEM. (Putting on official Master of Divinity and Doctor of Philosophy hats.) Here is what, having studied ethics (philosophical and theological) for the past twenty years I can tell you:

I kept to the facts, didn't get emotional with them, although inside I was torn apart. I thought my sister would stand with me - because she was abused too, but she chose to stay in denial. When I didn't cave from the pressure, my parents said they wanted me back.
This is not the behavior of sane, rational or ethical people. Let us be clear and use straightforward language here: What did your parents want? To have the opportunity to heal the wounds they had inflicted? Or to have you where they could keep an eye on you so you wouldn't cause them trouble? The former would count as "wanting you back" in my mind. The latter is just wanting you close to continue to abuse you. Not the same thing at all.

Anyway, a lot of Christians believe that Honor Thy Father and Mother means to do what they want - even if it isn't in your best interests. Have I sinned? I never called them names - never in my life - I never raged. While I lived under their roof I did what I was told, I never made waves. I tried to be invisible.
A lot of Christians are wrong about a lot of things. God, as I understand it, requires our obedience to His law. We are, none of us, merely instruments or tools for other people to use. This gives us a certain freedom in exchange for a profound responsibility to be the best stewards we are capable of being of ourselves first, and the rest of the planet afterward. This includes a responsibility to try to increase our capacities for responsible loving responsiveness to others. If others (even parents) wish us to harm ourselves or to do some other evil - we have no obligation to do so. It seems to me that you turned the other cheek, clearly several cheeks to no avail. God does not require people to get blood from turnips. "Ought implies can". What lived in that home was death for you, spiritual death for sure, physical death eventually. Jesus was quite clear on this point. "Choose life."

Lastly, I talked a pastoral counselor years ago. She said that being a good person honors them. That not following in their abusive footsteps honors them. Is it possible to honor your parents even when they don't feel honored?
Your counselor was spot on. Is it possible to medicate your parents even when they don't feel immediately better? Is it possible to compliment someone when they don't feel complimented? Is it possible that people could misinterpret each other? Or be unable to understand or correctly interpret the actions and intentions of others? Yes, yes, yes and yes. So; is it possible to honor your parents even when they don't feel honored? You betcha. And this may be a fact worth meditating deeply on: Your parents are not God. The world does not conform itself to their beliefs and desires. Whether you love, hate, honor or respect them is a fact about YOU. What they think or feel about it has no bearing on the reality what-so-ever.

My husband believes that I made the only choice I could. I just don't know. I go over and over it in my mind, and I just can't see how I could have done different, but at the same time my choice doesn't seem Christian or acceptable.
Your husband is right (so, see, there is ONE person at least, and me, that makes two, maybe there are more if you looked harder?) who thinks you did the right thing. You owe you husband some obedience too in the Christian framework - and it sounds like you chose well here, because his opinion seems to be quite a lot more in line with God's law. At the end of the day tho, if you need a judge, only God will do because only God has all of the information and can render a fair verdict. In the meantime, keep working on you, and being the best person you can be here and now. That is really all that anyone can reasonably ask of us. "Ought implies can."

If you grew up in a nominally Christian community that did not actively address issues of domestic violence by consistently, coherently, and effectively offering a concrete positive set of practices and support systems for healthy families, you likely grew up in a community that, at best passively, and at worst actively supported abusers. There is nothing Christian or acceptable about that. Jesus teaches that we are ALL sinful and broken, and all need to do serious work on ourselves to get closer to God.

I am so terribly sorry that your parents failed you so badly, and then rejected you when you held out your hand, and then were too afraid (of what? Really? "The guilty flee where no man pursue-eth" and "Thieves think everyone steals" both apply here) to reach out to you even at the end.

The fact is: You honor them (and more importantly God) every day by doing your best to become the best person you can be.

Respectfully Submitted 3/19/12
 
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