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Relationship How Do I Deal With The Passive Aggressive Behaviors?

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Devyn

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Hi everyone, I've been loitering the forums for a couple days now, reading through a lot of the posts, which have helped me reach a place of relative peace as compared to before. This is my first post so I'll do some introduction as well as elaborate more on my question.

I'm 27 years old. I met my boyfriend--who is 29--about a month ago through an online dating site. He was very upfront with me from the start about his PTSD (he is an Iraq combat veteran). When we met for the first time, there was definitely instant spark and attraction. Unfortunately--in my opinion anyway--we became intimate that first night, something I generally don't think positively on in a relationship with a "regular" guy, let alone someone with a condition I really have never had to deal with.

In the week following, we established that we are in a committed, monogamous relationship. I didn't really see any issues until about a week later, I went out to dance class with my friend and he called me when we were going home. I told him that I would call him back because I felt bad talking on the phone while I'm with my friend. The rest of the night he would not pick up my calls but he would respond to my texts. I was still treating the relationship more like my past dealings with people, so I panicked a little and I asked him to call me back whenever.

The next day everything was back to normal. He would text me and he would call and pick up when I called. Fast forward to the week after. I went to get a haircut after work and left my phone in my purse. During the hour I was there, he called me 4 times but when I called back, he once again would not pick up. We communicated via text again. I was less groveling this time, having realized that I don't like that behavior. But I told him that I would be there if he wanted to talk. He said that he gets frustrated most days because of his PTSD and that he gets mean when he's frustrated.

Once again, things went back to normal after that. Another week goes by and I go on a trip with my friend, going somewhere two hours away. He had class so I didn't invite him and he was okay with that. He texted me later that day and said it was weird I didn't mention stopping by his place on the way home. I told him that I would've loved to but I didn't want to make my friend drive an hour in LA traffic just so I could see him for 5 minutes because it's not fair to her. He didn't take that very well and I panicked again. I tried to make him see how much I wanted to see him--it was the first weekend since we met I hadn't seen him--but he kept dwelling on the fact that I seemed to place her above him. There was no reasoning with him.

The following day I made the mistake of driving to his place and TELLING him about it. His knee had given out on him out of the blue and in my mind, I thought I would be giving him an option of possibly letting me help him if he could come to the door. But now I know that to him, it was far from that. I won't talk about our conversation but he basically ended up telling me to give him his space and that he would forget my actions that day.

Sorry this is getting long. Last incident happened today. I went to the store to get some much-needed shopping done. While I was there I get a text from him that said "never mind..." When I ask what happened, he said I didn't pick up the phone. I told him I never got a call and--you guessed it--once again he did not pick up when I called back. We "established" that the connection sucked in the store and that I would call him back after I was done (I'm honestly not sure what happened, but I seriously never got any calls). I was much calmer this time dealing with the panic I felt.

When I got out of the store, he still didn't pick up. I don't know if maybe his connection was the one acting up or he was ignoring my calls. I decided to not make a big deal out of it and instead text him to ask what he was doing. He answered my texts and I didn't call him again.

So, I wanted to ask if anyone has ever had to deal with someone with PTSD along with this kind of behavior. I don't really see other P/A behaviors from him in other aspects, although he does like to make everything into a joke, sometimes at my expensive. He says that's just his humor, he does that with everyone, and that having been in the military, they joke about everything. At first it really bothered me because I can be insecure when I don't feel like I'm getting enough validation and I feel extra insecure with him already because I really like him. However, in the last month I have slowly begun to realize that whatever his issues are, they have nothing to do with me. He has told me I have nothing to be insecure about and I believe that he likes me and wants to be with me. His jokes no longer bother me and I can laugh with him.

My plan is to just simply let him know that I feel hurt when he doesn't pick up my return calls when I know he's there and sometimes I freak out at that but I'm trying not to anymore. Whatever happened, I would like it if it doesn't happen again. Is that the right thing to do?

Anyway, if you stuck with the long story, I really appreciate it. I find I often have a need to present as much of the story as I could. Any help/advice or greeting would be great :)
 
I don't have any help or advice - or at least, my advice would probably be way off the mark. But welcome to the forums - you're in the right place to get some answers and do a lot of learning. I think you're kinda on the right track, but more knowledgeable people should be here soon.
 
Regardless of a persons style of communication-they can get ptsd. Ptsd knows no boundaries. I would guess that this was his style of communicating long before ptsd. I think this is in addition to ptsd and a seperate issue. Can you get couples counseling before you get so invested? I dated a guy that did these things but did not have ptsd. Eventually, it became way too much work because he didnt see it as a problem. I have ptsd and still want my love ones to confront unhealthy behaviors that I have. I want to know the truth about others perceptions of me.

Personally, I would leave him a message and tell him that I would like to schedule some time to address how we communicate. I would take the opportunity to do so, being very specific.
1.) When you call me and I can't talk for whatever reason....
2.) I feel........(angry, scared, hurt , frustrated, etc) and
3.) it effect me and our relationship......(??distance, isolation, distrust, withdrawal, control,)
This gives him the opportunity to correct it.
And lastly 4.) How I will respond in the future
 
Honestly I see a pattern of red-flag could be abusive behaviour here and PTSD is no excuse for it. Everytime you spend a moment with freinds he gets pissy and won't answer phone calls or texts? That's called punishment and retaliation. You try to do something nice for him and he starts a fight over it? Uh my advice is to leave now. So he has PTSD, that is his issue and his responsibility. It's no excuse for that type of behaviour and really just screams future isolator/abuser to me.

Take my advice or leave it.. thats just what I see.
bec
 
I'm yet to know how to accept passive-aggressive behaviors, though I have learned to deal with many, yet they and others do hurt.

Devyn, I guess I'm wondering now just how much he is making into a joke, (what feels like everything?), or (everything?) I ask because a behavior like this that might be accepted lightly due to your interest in him, might not be taken so lightly if time and a relationship unfolds. In your guess will his jokes (about perhaps the things you're seriously feeling, concerned with or interested in dicussing and/or negotiating), get old for you are not?

Does any of it leave you feeling belittled, or little by little tear at your regard for yourself?

Is he capable of thinking seriously as well as joking with you? Just a few questions to observe.

Also, what you said about feeling extra insecure because you really like him, in my guess this is likely visible and observable to him. So please make sure to always trust what you see as well as your gut response; Perhaps trust these gut / intuitive responses, twice as much as you're willing to give your trust to whatever words told you.

It's actions, especially any observable patterned ones, that in time unfold stories, states of mind, flexibility and availability. Not so much words, his or anyone else's, IMO.

You stated that "At first it really bothered me", and "However, in the last month I have slowly begun to realize that whatever his issues are, they have nothing to do with me." Oops, another opinion: In a simple mutually consenting sex relationship his issues may have less to do with you. However, in a developing intimate, personal relationship with him, his issues will increasing have more and more to do with you.

So Devyn, just please make sure that you stay true to what you're looking for in relationship, and/or will settle with, and please don't give away too much of your power over too long a period of time, when deciding what you will accept or will not accept.

Behaviors generally don't just pop up out of the blue, too often they're patterned, sometimes rigid, behaviors, and though many may be found to be acceptable, as none of us are perfect, some patterns just corrode greater possibilities for future interest, joy, serenity, awe, and inspiration, ....you know all those positive emotions that go into enjoying happiness.

I'm not that guy or gal, that reclusive commented should show up! (lol) I simply read all of what you wrote and thought I'd give you a few things to think about. So sorry, as I don't have much help, advice or, ......Well Greetings, absolutely! :) Welcome to the forum Devyn. ;)

Though I don't know how to deal with passive aggressive behaviors all that well, I do know how not to deal with them, as well as, to not allow myself to be to too flexible, to maintain trust in my gut and my voice and values as best I can.

Trust your gut, and take care.

goingonhope
 
LOL I'm not sure our OP will find amusement in my blunt style.. lol and that style has its own issues ;) Back to our original programming!
 
Devyn... Welcome!

There were so many comments I would've liked to quote but ring so true.

For starters, when my "sufferer" (I have trouble calling him my boyfriend right now because even tho that relationship still seems to exist when we're together, it isn't where I'd like to see it and I have yet to determine if he's going to be the same person I fell in love with - despite never knowing him before Iraq) acts passively, it's usually avoidance from something we are discussing... like he'll change the discussion to something really silly that makes him happy or not answer my question. Try not to fight it.

I think this is just him avoiding additional pain - not that it will cause him any but he thinks he doesn't value his answers and thinks they'll lead to a "fight". Mostly - he doesn't trust himself or this intense relaionship to keep him from hurting even more. My guess, and it is only my guess, in the case of PTSD vs. down right "player", he has not learned to control these emotions and texting is easier because it is less confrontational.

I, like you, have started this new PTSD knowledge path playing into old habits of "why is he mad at me?" "what did I do to deserve this treatment like this?" and then try to fix it.

I've been learning and practicing recently that the best thing you can do is STOP. Arguing with him - such as you going over to his place - is just going to confuse things, he'll threaten to remember or not remember your actions, never talk again, etc. - when in reality we are just weaving a web of conflict that doesn't need to exist. So just STOP. Say "O.k." "We can talk when you are ready to." -or- if there is a serious issue bothering you say exactly as brat17 suggested. Keep it simple. They respond best to simple. But take care of you first. Ask you first why you are even arguing about something that is 'normally' trivial. This makes me think of my brother - also diagnosed with PTSD after Iraq - and he'll go rom 0-60 with his temper even disowning me over something as silly as forgetting to wash a dish. I don't "engage"... and within minutes he's back down to "Hey, love you, what's up?" Unfortunately, it seems easier for me with him because I've dealt with it so long... hmmmm? :)

Example (sorry, I'm wordy too): My guy will say things/make jokes at my expense which used to make me feel like he didn't care about me... but in truth, it's because he's afraid of what he feels for me. When he doesn't stop when I tell him, I don't appreciate that because then he feels bad because he hurt me..

He DOES stop when I finally say "O.k. Maybe I am. I like me." :) He can't argue with that. If he does, the truth is, I DO like ME. Only I can make me happy.

I'm still learning this but if you give short answers, don't play into his (I call them) "mind" games, then he'll either take it or leave it. If he leaves it, he didn't deserve YOU in the first place and it is him still working on his stuff. You will have your answer and still have YOU. If he takes it, I think that is a step up towards further healing.

Our sufferers need strong "US" in order to not enable them and allow them to be sick further... Also in the long run making us sick. It's not about control for either party... it's just about not taking one another's shit and dragging you further down the drain.

Take care of you!!! :)
 
This kind of behaviour is so hard to deal with. I have dealt with this in my relationship with my husband for over 13 years. He would deny he was even doing anything wrong and I believed for a long time it was my fault.

The one thing I can say to you to try and encourage is that from what you have said you are doing the best you can. Do not let this turn on you because it can be a way for a person to manipulate and control. At least it has been in my situation. You are not betraying him by having a life. No person can or should be available 24 hours a day.

However, in the end, you must look inside yourself and see what is right and wrong for you.

Good Luck.:tup:
 
It's good to read all of this. I've been up for hours looking around and wondering what to do and thinking. My partner says that it's best we are not together, that it's better not to be involved in his life, that he will drag me down with him. Of course that makes me want to stand by him because I feel I must, and because I love him. Is this guilt? Stupidity? Love? He is a beautiful person.
It's a process though that I am working through. I have not come to any conclusions. We still need to discuss things. I think I am clearer on what I am dealing with though. This has been so helpful! Hope he is willing. He says he is... but is scared. I just want the best for him really...and for me too. I know I need to take care of myself as well - I have always been the one to flee at first sign of trouble because I am way too old for this - I've always said that. Hah. Look what I've gone and done now :)
Trying to balance that is definitely going to be a challenge, but I think with enough support it will be ok. I hope. I hope to at least have some support and learn as I go along.
 
Dear Tmcmt,
I read your other post and 'welcome' :)
There is nothing you 'must' do, just do what you 'want' to do, go by your heart-of hearts
But I understand about the 'fleeing'. Perhaps working through (within it) can help you both.
-Hugs, if you will accept them.
 
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