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General I Am Over It!!!

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The problem also is that the older and longer the duration, typically the harder it is for them to want to really change. Sometimes impact upon themselves is the only way, though then most will cut their nose off to spite themselves regardless.
 
The problem also is that the older and longer the duration, typically the harder it is for them to want to really change. Sometimes impact upon themselves is the only way, though then most will cut their nose off to spite themselves regardless.

Sorry Anthony you lost me? Impact upon themselves?
 
"Impact upon themselves" simply refers to the sufferer often needing something quite impacting upon their life / lifestyle in order to change for the better, ie. sometimes the act of separation does it; another accident does it; etc. The sufferer often needs something that impacts their personal choice before they will make a significant effort to change themselves for the better. Often a sufferer will just lay in the lifestyle and surroundings they have become accustom too and accept that, though if changed dramatically to no longer favour them, can make them change for the better.

Again, sometimes these significant events only make them more stubborn, sometimes makes them worse. Risky, though typically the way in which a person makes change from their "normal" and safe surroundings.
 
Thanks Anthony I understand now!
The 'act of separation' sounds good:wink:
I was looking at some old posts of mine back when I joined the forum early 2006 seems like nothing much has changed?
 
So Anthony what you are referring to is similar to "hitting bottom" in alcoholism, at least that is what Jim and I call it? I know Jim's bottom with his alcoholism was when I left him. That was the jolt he needed to begin work about himself. The unfortunate part is, that would not have been enough for some. Their bottom might be lower, losing not only their family, but also their job, becoming homeless, their health deteriorating and so on. Some never hit a bottom and drink themselves to death. It is a risk as you say, however totally up to the individual in question.

This point did get me thinking though Jen, are there ways in which you might be enabling your husband? By enabling I mean doing things for him which he should be doing for himself? Doing things which keep him from addressing his problems? I apologize for using alcoholism as an example as it is not exactly the same, however - with Jim, I used to enable him thusly: if he was hungover from being drunk, I would ring his superiors at work, lie and tell them he was ill, rather than letting him call them himself. If he made a huge mess whilst drunk, I would clean it up whilst he was sleeping it off, rather than letting him see what he did whilst drunk and cleaning it himself. He often would not come home for dinner with no explanation, yet I would not complain and I would make up a plate for him and keep it warm. Those are just some little examples of my enabling.
 
Yeh thanks Kathy I can see what you mean.
For years I have put up with him not getting out of bed and I would make excuses to friends ( which he doesnt have any more) that he wasnt well and needed his sleep?
Its only in the last couple of years that I dont keep it to myself anymore where is he is concerned I tell people that he is bed whereas I used to be embarrassed to say he was in bed.
Only recently my Mum said that they knew what was going on but she is glad now that I talk about him to her?

I went through a stage of waking him up earlier to try to get him going for the day but was just met with anger from him and if he did get out of bed earlier he would be back on the couch by lunchtime!
 
That is exactly it Kathy. By all means I am not telling anyone to leave their partner, I am just using that as an example about the jolt required sometimes. As Kathy stated though, some will just drink themselves to death. I nearly did. I flipped out end 99 and just out of the blue left my first wife and kids. I have no idea how I didn't die in the following six months of that year. I pulled myself out of it as my room mate really slapped the shit out of me to look at what I was doing to myself. I partially came good, though was still pretty much on a rampage. I had no idea all that was PTSD, but it was. Went through a myriad of relationships to follow, thinking I was doing something wrong with the type of woman I was meeting. So I went the opposite to what personality I was normally attracted too, hence the second wife ending in failure also. I was ill then worked hard on myself for years, found a new and improved me who was actually honest with myself, honest with others, had to right a lot of wrongs in my life, remove a lot of self guilt and so forth. Kerrie threatened to walk or me get help earlier in that relationship, which was the jolt for me to really get cracking and work on myself as I thought that is what was best for me at that time. Unbeknownst to me though is that she also had her own serious issues which she never really worked through, so I was at a place far better than she was. That is how you can help yourself but then do you choose to live with a destructive person in nature? All these are choices of both sufferers and carers, risks, evaluations, constant analysis and risk assessment if you like.

Sometimes a jolt works, though as you know, it can bite the person on the backside at the same time if they are also not prepared to heal any issues they have, being the carer that is. If a sufferer heals, then all around them must heal even the pain that sufferer has caused them. It is like someone who cheats in a relationship. If you forgive them then you do so and you do not use it against them the rest of their life. If you did, the relationship would end. PTSD is no different. PTSD causes all concerned a lot of pain, and if the sufferer heals so must the carer and even family. Apologies are often just not enough by that stage, where we must learn to forgive for the illness and providing the sufferer is working on themselves and learning how to manage the illness, we must forgive and work through that pain also for a healthy relationship to continue.

Some give the jolt and it just bites them on the backside. Some give the jolt and it works. Some give the jolt, it works, but then forget about healing their own past or PTSD related pain which defeats the purpose entirely. It really is a risk, it really is often used when unfortunately at the last minute, and things have typically moved to irreparable by that stage. The most important thing though is that it is a joint effort of healing, not one or the other, but both must heal all their pain to come together at individually mentally healthy points in their lives.
 
I feel that if I said to him thats it I have had enough he would do himself in! I dont think I could bear the thought of being responsible for him hurting himself? At the end of the day this would be the reason?
Only last night he said to me he waits for me to come home every night from work?
I am living my own life as much as I can but I really needed him to help out with work today I just rang him but he was so groggy on the phone I was so cranky I just wanted to rip his head of!
 
Jen, nobody can tell you what the right choices are for you, only you can decide those things yourself. Those of us with PTSD will say those type of things though to make our carers feel guilty, it is merely part of the emotional abuse cycle really. If it works, use it basically, so he is. If you live with it, then he will keep doing it. Maybe you need to start making him realize that if he doesn't begin pulling his finger out of his arse and doing, instead of talking, then maybe you just won't be coming home every night. He will try and make you feel guilty, trust me on that. I did it myself for some time until I got my kick in the arse.
 
Thanks Anthony
I have decided that one step I am going to take is get someone else to help me with the business I just cant rely on him at the moment!
I am going to tell him this tonight.
Whether or not this will push him deeper down his hole that he is in or not time will tell.
I am getting a bit to stressed over this EVERY day with him not helping me.
And we cant afford the two of us falling apart!
Just something else he does know what buttons to push as I dont like conflict I never have I will sooner walk out of the room than argue with someone?
 
You said it yourself Jen, he is manipulating you because he knows what buttons to push. Because we know our partners vulnerabilities, does that mean we should exploit them though? No..... so why is he allowed to get away with it? You allow this Jen. Carers are often too easy on their sufferer, simply allowing them to get away with things to avoid the conflict. At the end of the day though, all that occurs is that all concerned are typically unhappy and become set in a mundane relationship and environment.
 
You know what to say hey Anthony?
It certainly is a mundane environment especially now the kids have left home?
I have just spoken to him on the phone he is really concerned about our finances ( probably because he put us in the situation) he is all doom and gloom.
I suggested to him how about he lets me worry about the business until he feels better? He didnt put up to much resistance. I will get someone to help and he knows when he is up to it he can come back in to work (I wont hold my breath)
This may make or break him I dont know? It really is up to him?
 
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