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I Dont Know What To Do....

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He signed off without writing me back. Not super unusual so we'll see in the AM if he wrote anything but if he doesnt, i dont even feel the least bit sad. How 'bout that for progress. I went from "it would break my heart" to "dont let the door hit you in the ass"!

His 'its ok to take pics of naked children' had a TON to do w/ that but progress nontheless.
 
He did reply and I did reply back but didnt ramble as I usually do.

He's turning this into "this is what came up for you"...no shit, really? It also took me back to that time and back in the shower trying to scrub "it" off.

He asked what i wanted him to talk about, I said "what we were talking about when this all started; DBT, processing, healing etc would be nice; the way it is now isnt useful but to re-enforce what ive always done, what has always been and that is the opposite direction i want and need to go".

He doesnt have children but to satisfy my "inner child" whom is now terrified of him, but when he said that he didnt know when its ok to allow a child to be photographed nude and said when the parent and child is ok with it...i said no, the answer is NEVER but I did ask "what if it was your child? Would you let some photographer see and take pics of them nude, placed in a book where anyone including some sick f*ck can see it and jerk off to it" (sorry for the wording there) but my inner child wants to know, even talking about DBT etc, that he is safe to share with.

Still not sure if this conversation is going to continue. He is respecting my wish to not talk about sex or anything that resembles sex and i figured he would...he always has. I just need to figure out a way to see if he is safe to share with and be valuerable with. He always has been but him thinking this is ok, legal or not, has me in a mind f*ck freak out.

God i cant wait til tomorrow....therapist.
 
I was just thinking while in the shower (seems I do my best thinkimg in the shower, is that weird?) that maybe this needed to happened (sucks that it did the way it did as now, it feels like the only person that i felt safe to go to if i wanted to cut or do a ritual/punishment & could talk to, un-judged about anything between therapy sessions, was just jerked out from under me) but I think I needed to take that 'no sex' stand for myself. Though im just learning to create a boundry, and my therapist had said (during the 'im conflicted' thread) that me working out the "must come on to everyone" is too big to work out at the moment and thats why he wanted me to back off the forceful seductions, so it didnt run away from me...maybe this was a first step of working that out?

Its certianly not fully nor is it close to be fully worked out but maybe me sorta being forced to create that 'no sex talk' boundry for myself is a first step to it...instead of him having that boundry feom the get go.

I dunno, was just thinking...
 
@Alice.in.Wonderland please dont see me as fighting your suggestion..

Don't worry, my suggestions and opinions come from my experiences. You have your experiences and you should go with what you feel is right for you. When we share here it is as much for ourselves as the ones we reach out to.
I could go to a male GP, I could even go to a male gynecologist but not a male therapist but who knows, maybe the very therapist who can really help me is male. Maybe I need to get past that fear.
 
@Alice.in.Wonderland - being able to work with a male T is a great goal, because you're right, the perfect T for you may well be a male. But from my experience, I personally don't think it's one of those things you should force on yourself because "this could be good for me". By all means work towards it, as a goal, but it doesn't matter how perfect the T is, if you're not in a headspace to hear them because they're male (which is totally common), then you may as well be doing therapy with the pizza delivery guy.
 
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I have been through the mental health system now for 35 years. I've lost count of the therapists I've been to. All I was saying is at this point I should not cut my options in half just because they are men. I took time to think about it and I realized I am at an age and a place emotionally where if I feel someone is not able to help me then I can just say NEXT!
I know what I need from therapy. I just need help navigating through the muck. I need someone to believe me and understand that I am dealing with co concious selves. Meaning I have fragmented parts that don't take over to the point of where I lose time but they influence my mood, thinking and decision making. Some have introduced themselves to me, others have not. My goal is to open communication, understand my parts and their purpose so we can work together. Then I can reach my inner children who have been holding on to the traumas and free them of their burden. I owe them that.
Back in the 80's there was a baby girl named Jessica who fell into a well or a pipe and got stuck. For days teams of experts had to try and figure out how to get her out safely because the ground around where she was stuck could collapse if they made a wrong move. The whole country was riveted to this story. Most of the workers were so committed to saving her they never left the site. They talked to her, sang to her and yes in the end they freed her. For me not to do whatever I can to free my baby girls would be like if those workers said oh well, this is too hard. Sorry baby Jessica but there's nothing we can do. I have to do whatever it takes and it should not matter anymore if it's a man or a woman.
 
@Alice.in.Wonderland - we've wandered off topic, but thank you for sharing that. I've got a 4 year old who've I've been fighting tooth & nail to keep out of the communal discourse in my head, & it's always appreciated getting someone's insight into that (being able to do that myself is another matter - I'm currently leaving my 'Jessica' to fend for herself).
Best of luck on the therapy hunt - just finding one that doesn't want to start from scratch (again!) must be a nightmare
 
I could go to a male GP, I could even go to a male gynecologist but not a male therapist but who knows, maybe the very therapist who can really help me is male. Maybe I need to get past that fear.

All my Drs need to be male, I could never trust a female like that BUT thats, i think, cause of my mom and what she did to me, made me do etc. I freaked out just by Simply saying the majority here were female in chat. My brain was making most male & i was rolling w/ it...my brain make most on the other site female & still dont know why it flipped on me.

Sorry for hijacking the thread.

Oh Alice, you should know me better than that...you cant hijack my thread and I STILL hate that phrase ;)

I asked him, after telling him theres no "small possiblity of exploiting" unless under lock & key & no one looks at it and if placed in a book, some sicko can get buy the book and jerk off to it & my experiences of being photographed & video tapped & my 9 yr old pics & vids are likely still being sold ln the deep web & just a ton of things...i asked if he had a child (i cant have kids so dont have them either) would he allow them to be photographed nude and this is what he said, to my pleasent suprise...oh & i also advised that the abilty to see the consequence of an action part of the brain isnt developed fully until early 20s so even if the kid said ok, they cant see any possible future concequence; so here' his answer:

"I've never had a child, and I've never felt... ready, or something... to take responsibility for guiding and protecting another person that way. Call it a copout if you like, but that's where I am with it.

So cutting straight to fantasy here: If I had a kid, I know I wouldn't be comfortable with letting him or her be photographed naked. And I'd probably chalk that up as much to me being paranoid and a prude and stuff, as to my foresight and concern for the kid's welfare. And you need to take into account that you've just given me every reason in the world to not want my imaginary kid to be photographed naked, so how I'm feeling about it now is not going to reflect how I might have felt about it some other time. I can sincerely believe and say I would have felt the same way about it last year and the year before, but I can't go back and un-hear what you've told me, nor know what I would have thought if we'd never talked about it. So all I can give you is what I might call a semi-honest answer: it's all I know now, but it's informed by what you've shared with me, and I can't claim that I came up with it before you told me, nor that I would've come up with it at all if you hadn't told me.

But that way of putting it has a below-the-line flavor to it. What I really mean is: I just learned something important from you, I can't say that I'd ever have learned it without you, and thank you for sharing it with me. "

He also asked why i felt the need to put bleach in me and was horribllly concerned that he caused it...well on this site i learned you own your triggers so i cant blame him, and dont, for triggering me.

I told him he has been talking to my "inner child" and he said "please to meet you" and took the "i cant make out you and them...to me you are them at the moment" very well. He gave me space and now he isnt them anymore, my brain is seperating him and them again...and both making him them and now seperating hom from them (that sounds confusing) is automatic, i cant control it...and he IS respecting my 'no sex talk' completely and anything else i dont want to talk about.

He's not a predator, i dont thing, or so it seems, he just has different views due to different experiences and a different past and it takes me, the most complicated person ever, to teach him...and he's willing to learn, take in, change his views...thats more than i can say about my dad whom is older but close to his age range. My dad is "too old to change" or go to therapy...thats wjat he says anyway, and the most closed minded person i ever met.

So im still remaining causious (however you spell that) and listening to my gut...its getting better.

Therapist is a bit later today so we'll see what he says but i usually can predict what he'll say.
 
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Back in the 80's there was a baby girl named Jessica who fell into a well or a pipe and got stuck. For days teams of experts had to try and figure out how to get her out safely because the ground around where she was stuck could collapse if they made a wrong move. The whole country was riveted to this story. Most of the workers were so committed to saving her they never left the site. They talked to her, sang to her and yes in the end they freed her.

I SAW THAT MOVIE!
 
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