I accidentally heard a list of 13 qualities of kids of narcissists, and nearly every one I identified with. However, my parents were not, though it's so convoluted with other care givers. Or/ and, in that day you didn't need a caregiver around, so much. I think they probably overlap with trauma, stress, and they don't factor in personality, 'realities', norms of the day or situation, add, etc etc etc. Because I think things like extreme independence, keeping things to yourself, reading emotions, hypervigilance, peace making etc, seem to be able to be explained in a variety of ways (the, ~'if you have a hammer everything looks like a nail', concept). They did say one was you are deeply loving, so that was kind of nice. Don't know if it applies, because there's only one's own norm to know, but I would say so. I thought it was a deficit or abnormality. :laugh::rolleyes: