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Identity Crisis

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I think that humility helps, as far as the forgiveness part goes- for me to remember I will never 'get it right'/ not screw up, in this (my) lifetime.
Well, you can't say fairer than that. I agree implicitly. We do all screw up, but learning from ones' mistakes and moving forward... Well, doing it is hard, but the rewards are worthwhile.

Many thanks, Junebug
 
Thank you again Kimba. When I realised these conflicting things about myself, and on sitting down at my computer to put these dark fears into words, I felt some release from the burden of hiding from myself. But I also felt despairing; exposed. And alone. The appearance of your response enabled me to stand myself for a brief while; and brought some relief.

To those deeply compassionate individuals, who reached out to me and offered me the gifts of your support, insight and humanity - you should know that you prevented me from losing myself in my despairing hole. I have been at this place before - and had wished for it again; where events seeming to undisputedly confirm my utter worthlessness, caused me to gravitate towards an inviting, dark abyss. Your reaching out, pulled me from this place.

And to Junebug for sharing with me your personal struggle: this is immensely kind - to put it mildly.

I hope I can also feel humility when someone needs my help.

If these words seem inflated, or suggest some kind of dramatic flair, then I am really sorry: because every word is felt and meant.
 
I don't really know that I've abused anyone but I think I can understand your feelings just a teeny tiny bit. I often feel that even before remembering bad things that were done to me, I tend to remember every wrong I've done to others. It's like every time I said something that I know hurt someone or every time I was indecisive and broke off a relationship with someone in a bad way it ends up being something I can't stop thinking about. I'll think about how I said something that may have hurt the feelings of someone who bullied me later and then think how I was wrong. I also agonize about my daughter's childhood and if she was treated well enough at the babysitter and how I couldn't be around enough and was always stressed. I worry that I wasn't affectionate enough or may have neglected her. It's like even the shadow of bad behavior in myself has to be acknowledged and agonized over.

I think when you mentioned in the OP about having a self-sabotaging drive that really struck a chord with me. I often feel that I am self destructive. This is just one incident out of a long string but, I remember when I found out that a person I considered a friend had actually stabbed a girl in the face a dozen or so times and slit her throat (she didn't die which is perhaps terrible, poor thing). I heard that he and his other friend were sort of interested in the pathology of serial killers or something and they were trying to see what it felt like and their next victim was supposed to be me except fortunately things got messed up because they were arrested and whatnot. I couldn't stop thinking about that. I was always doing what-if's in my head because I remembered times when they joked about how they could kill me and nobody would know. It really did sound like a joke at the time, though looking back... but anyways, the point is that even though I wasn't actually attacked, I've always felt almost guilty for being upset about it, like I'd rather have actually been attacked and had a physical scar to show for it because feeling bad when I wasn't hurt just... feels like I'm wrong somehow. Then I end up feeling like I must be crazy thinking that I'd rather have been attacked (and how would I survive that?) so that I can justify feeling so bad and it feels like I'm trying to make myself feel bad on purpose and I end up trying to think of reasons why I'd make myself feel bad and feel even worse thinking I might be an "attention whore" (excuse my language) or just plain emo. I guess it's like I'm denying my right to feel bad about it but it doesn't really make sense. I never get why I can't just move on from it or those types of feelings.

I think all of us here have things like that where we just don't even get our own feelings and maybe the fact that we can't understand is what upsets us sometimes. I mean, one of the reasons (among many others) that it's hard for me to talk to people, is the fear that they'll think I'm stupid or that it's no big deal. It feels like it would be impossible for others to understand, especially since most of us have multiple traumas that pile up over time.

I think I get what you mean about the identity crisis too. I'm always thinking I don't really know my own feelings sometimes or like I don't even understand myself. I even doubt sometimes if I really like the things that I think I do or if they're just hobbies I picked up because they were convenient or because they were things I could easily distract myself with. I end up thinking about things that happened in the past and if things had been different or if I had more confidence, maybe there would be different things I would have preferred to do instead that I'm still too afraid to do now. It generally leads to depression and self loathing but it's one of those thought cycles I slip into sometimes. I think blaming ourselves for not being strong enough to do what we wanted to do or should have done is a pretty strong tendency. Always thinking like it's too late to do it now, or that it's impossible, I really hate that feeling.

I know that therapy often focuses on overcoming what happened in the past but I kind of think that having a dream for the future, or admitting the things that we've secretly always wanted to do (however lame that sounds) might be a better medicine. I know that I often feel that rather than lingering on past events, I'd feel better if someone could help me through the steps to accomplish something new and help me build my confidence. Maybe therapists do get to that eventually but I'd rather that there were people around me to do that among my friends and family. I have a good family but they can't always understand me and them telling me it's okay to give up and that they still love me just makes me want to beat them sometimes. It's not like I want them to yell at me cause I'd freak out, of course, but I guess it'd just be nice to have someone tell me not to give up and keep trying for a change. Well, you guys are pretty good at that and I hope I can give you some encouragement too. I guess I'm just saying that thinking about something positive happening in the future helps sometimes. I've been wracking my brain lately trying to make myself refocus on my future goals and it is a miserable feeling to not have something you're looking forward to.

Sorry that was really long. I'm such a blabbermouth tonight cause I'm stressed.
 
Hi ((((YS)))), I think this phenomenon is more common than you think. When you have been subjected to any unfair or unjust event, you know how it feels. But when you realize that oneself has also done such things that could have hurt a person physically, emotionnally or psychologically that's something else. I too have those issues. Some, I have come to understand that it was through ill conditionnement during childhood. I had no other references of what was the right or wrong. I all remember is that I wasn't proud of myself afterwards at that time.

And that is the key, a true abuser / agressor does not feel remorse or guilt or shame after their act and even less try to repair what they have done.. Whereas many people have done wrong things and are basically good people - they will try to repair or even admit that they are the wrong doer. This is why we can forgive them (as a person) and their acts as there is remorse. As for the abusers / agressors, there is no remorse or you get the good ol' excuse : " well it wasn't my fault ", then the only option is to forgive their souls as you KNOW that person will never try to repair their ill doing, and wisdom will dicte that it is better to cut off that relationship, especially if it is hefty ... and even if it means that it's a family member - not always easy to do, but sometimes it has to be done.
 
I guess it'd just be nice to have someone tell me not to give up and keep trying for a change.
I agree, but it's nice that they accept you for who and what you are.

A lot of people on this site can identify with what you're dealing with, and a lot of them continue to fight because they have no choice. But fighting one's burdens seems to me preferable to stagnation and immobility. Distractions and hobbies are probably a good thing to have, as we all need time to restore some amount of vigor.

Maybe the inviting, dark abyss that Yellow Sun mentions is not actually something to avoid, but rather something to explore and learn from, hopefully emerging from it stronger. But then, it could also be fatal, so it's best to be vigilant.

Good fortune to you.
 
Hello Nemone,

I feel inadequately equipped to respond to your harrowing circumstances. But I shall attempt to nevertheless; if only on the premise that someone trying to see your distress, and trying to be present to you during it, might in itself bring a little relief - if only temporarily; and failing this, will hopefully have distracted you - if only temporarily - from the constant harassment of your thoughts.

For me, the starting point might be to apportion blame where due for your current and understandable state of stress. This to my mind lies with the sadistic f*ckers who are so disconnected from themselves and others - as to be capable of, and to have perpertrated, such remorseless horror. I speak of apportioning blame (which you may or may not agree with - I'm not even sure how I feel about it) not as part of some crazed hang-draw-and-quarter-them protest (I think I remain of the view that horrendous acts such as those you described, have their roots in something all too human) - but in an attempt to reclaim some of your head-space by restoring a more balanced perspective. This is where my anger at what others have done to you comes from. I'm feeling a little distressed by the idea that their dark venom has found its way into you. Because this is what these thoughts of guilt etc are, their dark venom. I know that this is not by choice (step away from the blame - this is not yours).

Similarly, for me, it is the uninvited presence of what I suspect may be other people (other people's judgements that you might have internalised) who seem to be inside your head - occupying valuable space - that is keeping you estranged from your personal thoughts, and hence from the real you.You may or may not identify with this.

If it is similar to what I experience then I wonder if it is possibly in part a compulsion towards negative thinking. The sheer volume of your negative, second-guessing thoughts, makes me think that this could be the case. When my therapist suggested this to me on Friday it rang true. She described it as an OCD type reaction which I didn't realise took the form of repetitive thought processes as well as behaviours (which I've had as a child). I don't have a diagnosis and it may well turn out not to be the case; however something about it brings a sense of welcome relief - which I must learn to utilize. Because now I have a fighting chance. These thoughts are not entirely mine (something that I've always suspected). Sure, there are some strongly held negative beliefs that I need to unpick; but this inexplicable bombardment of negative thoughts - this feels like something different.

Nemone, this isn't a recommendation; but rather a sharing of my personal experience. When I tried the approach of 'mindfulness' (which I've heard described as a way of paying attention to difficult emotions and life experiences) I found, through the adoption of a different set of habits (meaning different to beating myself black and blue with the proverbial big stick) that I was with practice, able to release myself from experiencing the negative thoughts as an relentless onslaught.

From what I can see this new experience of a calmer head-space, was underpinned by at least two components. The first is a type of non-reactive being. So I still had all those negative thoughts (although they did change over time), but I did not allow them to pull me every which way, by allowing them to lead me down a not so merry path. This was achieved by accepting and recognising them as just thoughts (not easy to begin with); and not judging them. The exercises I used suggested labelling each thought - e.g. 'worrying, worrying; planning, planning' as I focussed on my breathing.

Which brings me to the second component; rather than the attention being fixated on the negative thought (as might be your current experience), it is gently focussed on one's breathing - on its entry into one's body and its pathway out. It was suggested that I focus on the in breath as a new beginning, and the out breath as a letting go. My breathing didn't have to be gentle and calm for me to focus on it - and it wasn't about changing the rhythm of the breath (mindfulness as I understand it not about willing/or forcing one's self to be calm) but staying with the breath, however I found it to be - even if my breathing felt difficult; although I found that it inevitably calmed down.

It was difficult, letting go of the habit of a lifetime - and had to be practiced again and again; sometimes several times within the space of a few minutes - which sometimes was irksome, but ultimately felt kinder to myself. For me, by not adding fear upon fear (by fearing my fearful thoughts) and judgement upon judgement, the pressure in my head (and body) was eased and created space for me to just be. And I think it is in this space that one may be able to find her/himself. I found there to be other challenges about mindfulness after my positive experiences; challenges that I didn't know how to resolve at the time. My practice became less committed and then fizzled away. But I'm now of the opinion that there are potentially ways through those challenges.

So Nemone (if you're still with me - I apologize for the length of my response), my hope is that this has brought even a little relief. However, I allow for the fact that it hasn't done; and that my thoughts may have steered far from the things that are relevant to you. And if this is the case, then I am sorry - and will do my best to learn from this.

I do however, wish you respite.
 
Thanks Yellow Sun, actually what you said did make some sense to me and I'm glad that you took the time to respond to me with such sincerity. No need to apologize for the length, some things just can't be said in only a few sentences. I do think that I need to change the way that I think about things. I often think that I'm going around in circles in my head and second-guessing myself to the point that I don't know what my original feelings were anymore.

You may be right about having "other people" in my head. I was trying to learn a little about psychology and was reading about how, even if we don't really realize it, our parents or people around us sort of get into our subconscious and the criticisms that we would expect of them become part of how we criticize ourselves. I'm not sure if that's exactly it but, well, my family is a little... weird?... unstable? Maybe it's because I never had dependable adults around so I never know what the heck I'm supposed to think about things. I think that's one of those things a therapist would help me figure out.

To be honest I don't know too much about the mindfulness approach but I had heard of it. Actually last time I started to get upset thinking about something that happened a long time ago I did try to focus on my surroundings and reminding myself that I wasn't actually there anymore and focusing on looking at and feeling the stuff around me. I think it may have helped me calm down but I'm sure that there's more to it than that by how you described it. I actually am thinking that I will go see a therapist soon. I'm probably going to ask my doctor to help me find one since, even though I still get anxious and afraid around him, he's a nice guy and I trust that he will do his best to help me. I'm sure he'd agree that I need to see someone since he's the one that has given me my prescriptions for anxiety.

I don't know if the therapist would say I have PTSD or generalized anxiety disorder or something else but, whatever they say it is, I'd like to try some cognitive behavioral therapy and try to see if I can change my way of thinking about things. The medicine I'm on now is helping me feel a bit better but since my behaviors and the things that set me off haven't changed much I worry about going back to the way I was before as soon as I don't take it anymore. I also worry that I haven't really changed but am just sort of pacifying myself by taking medicine to make my feelings stop running rampant.

Thanks for being worried about me, knowing there are people who can understand where I'm coming from makes me feel a little less anxious.
 
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