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If You Could Talk To Past Tormentors, What Would You Say To Them?

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Thank you so much Russ.
I must admit it wasn't like this at first, there was only space for anger and hate. But lately everything changed, I have realized that I can't change what had happend nor change what I am going through, but I sure can learn from it, rediscover myself, and become a better person. A person who now understands others and most importantly herself better! :)
 
I'd be interested to see where they ended up with their b!t$7y attitudes and disregard for people they thought were 'beneath' them.

I have done some research regarding bullying and it affect on people, and did you know that bullys do suffer some long-term effects from bullying; granted it is generally anti-social behavior as adults, go figure, right?
 
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This thread brings up a lot of conflicting emotion for me. I am the type of person who cannot understand why any human being gets pleasure from wounding or harming another person. I can't fathom it. It "doesn't compute." I am a realist, and I know that humans inflicting cruelty upon one another is a constant occurrence in our world--and it always will be, it seems. I'm no Pollyanna by any means......you know, sitting around with rose-colored glasses on, in total naivete, singing "Kumbayah." No, I'm a realist. But I will never understand bullying. In my opinion there is simply no excuse for it. None. Nada. Zilch.

Though I may understand why bullies bully, I still give them no excuse for their actions. So what if the bully is getting abused and has built up a truckload of anger and rage? Why inflict your anger on an innocent person? Why kick the dog? Why scream at your spouse? Why beat your kids? Why taunt and belittle and torment the child at school?

See, my father was a sadistic psychopath. I'm not being overly dramatic. He fit (past tense....he is dead now) the criteria. He took great pleasure in causing children to cry. And when they cried, due to his physical or emotional or verbal torment, he laughed. I can still hear his sickening, twisted laugh to this very day. I swear to you, the man literally exploded in the most gleeful, yet demonic, sinister laughter you have ever heard. He just thought it was hilarious to hurt kids. That is sick, in my book.

I say that only to say that I know some of his background. Father abandoned him. Mother was viciously abusive. So, yes, he grew up without love, I would guess. And I have deep empathy for any person who grows us being unloved and being abused.

But, I was also abused. Terribly.

What makes the bully a bully? Why am I not a bully? I have every excuse in the book. I was sexually molested, raped by a stranger, beaten with belts and objects, bullied at school, hated by a parent, mistreated and used and maligned and lied about and parentified and abandoned and rejected by parents. I knew no parental love. I wasn't popular in school. I went to 15 different schools, somewhere different around the country every 6 months or so. I had no adult in my life.....ever......who took an interest in me, took me under their wing, tutored me, mentored me, stepped in as a surrogate parent. I had no one. I grew up feeling utterly alone, rejected, abandoned, unwanted.........and completely bereft.

I would rather cut off an arm than to willfully hurt another person. (Unless there was a self-defense situation or if I needed to intervene to help another person fend off someone.)

I hate bullying. No, I loathe and abhor bullying. I'm not saying I hate the bully as a person. But I certainly do hate the behavior. I have seen the damage it causes. Life-long damage, in some cases.

I remember being made fun of in high school. Sadly, the abuse in my home was so bad, and I was neglected so badly, I didn't know how to wear make-up properly or fix myself up to look pretty or anything. I was too busy taking care of 3 siblings, cleaning the house, cooking our dinners, doing our laundry, and getting abused........who had time for anything else, like being a normal, average American teenaged girl?

Anyway, I sat with a guy at a desk in chemistry class. And he would tell me every day when he sat next to me the horrible things the popular guys said about me that day. They made fun of me mercilessly, I guess.

One day, he told me a certain boy's name, a popular boy in sports, who said I "looked like a weasel."

For years, that tormented me. I couldn't help how I looked. I did the best I could. I was dealing with unbearable abuse and stress at home while still getting good grades and helping teachers with art projects and after-school projects all the time.

I heard several years ago that that very same boy committed suicide about 5 years ago. And I felt sad.

I really felt sad. I feel sad for anyone who hurts so much that they commit suicide. I never felt pleasure or joy at hearing about that.

There may be "reasons" that bullies do what they do. But I have to say that I am sick to death of them. I grew up with a bully for a parent. I have no way to understand them or to get into their mindset. We are just cut from different pieces of cloth, I guess.

If I could talk to my dead father, what would I say? I think I'd say, "I was a little girl and I loved you so much. You were cruel to me my whole life. I could never understand why. I really don't care why. All you have ever done is hurt me. And I didn't deserve any of it. There is something so deeply and terribly wrong with you and your heart........I pity you."

If I could talk to the bullies in school, especially the one who committed suicide, I think I'd say, "You hurt me. I was already a struggling girl going through torment and horrendous daily abuse in my home, and when I came to school, I couldn't even experience a moment's peace because of you and others like you. You didn't even know me. I was such a kind and a loving girl. But all you did was mock me and laugh at me. You were wrong. You were cruel. You only added to my torment and pain, and you did it all "for fun." I think I'm a much better person than you.......because I don't get pleasure from harming others."

Anyway, thank your for the thread topic. It was really nice being able to express myself here since this is something I've never really addressed before with anyone. Thank you.
 
@Tippi First let me say that I am so sorry for all you have been through. It is heart rending knowing the kind of pain that has been inflicted on you.

I am like you, I hate bullying, and would never do anything intentionally to hurt another human being,except in the defense of life.

I have, through life experiences and research come to realize that people who have been significantly bullied will generally respond one of two ways: either they will themselves bully in an effort to gain power and not seem weak to themselves, or, like us, will realize how horrible bullying is, and how it affects us, so we become determined to not do it to another.

Tippi, it seems to me that it is kind hearted people who get bullied, and it seems you certainly fall into that catagory.

I am so sorry that you had such a hard upbringing, and your father was so difficult to you. I hope you realize that you deserved better than that. Again I am sorry for you pain, but it is nice to meet you and count you as a forum friend.
 
Dearest RussH.....

You are so very kind to uplift and encourage me with your post! Thank you. What you've said really does mean so very much to me. Thank you for saying that you are sorry for what I endured. I appreciate that.

Yes, I think you're right about people who've been very abused and wounded choosing to either become abusers themselves or choosing to decide to take a different path. I just have always been a very empathic person. No matter if I tried my hardest, I don't think I could ever change who I am.....but sometimes I've thought that life might be easier if I were a "harder" person. But now as I've gotten older and learned bit by bit to come to know myself.......I have to say that I like that I am sensitive and empathic, kindhearted and loving. I like that........but I didn't before. My father was a macho, hard, rough-around-the-edges type of guy. He belittled us for having emotions. My sister was just expressing to me on the phone earlier tonight how difficult it is for her to share and accept her own emotions. I understand completely. I told her that it is a sign of strength to show vulnerability and to be able to allow ourselves to feel.....to cry......to laugh......to express love. Those are strengths. Our father was wrong.

Yes, I agree that it does seem that kindhearted and sensitive people do seem to get bullied. I will never understand that.

It is very nice to meet you, too, Russ! And I am honored to count you as my forum friend........:)
 
Tippi,
It is my pleasure to uplift you and encourage you.
I determined long ago that I would rather be sensitive and kindhearted at the risk of being hurt, than cold, hard unfeeling, and uncaring because to me to me that is no way to live.

And just for the record: I think weasels can be very cute animals:)
 
Two occasions:

Occasion 1: I don't really know what to say. I get what they were trying to do, and they thought they were just giving a wake up call, but that kind of abuse is never, ever okay. Not to a child who's so terrified and in a clearly vulnerable state. I was asking for my mother for God's sake, and you laughed in my face. I wasn't a hardened criminal. I was a child. A f***ing child. I'd wish abuse on them, but I can't make myself wish that. I just wish they realized what they did to me, all of them. As for the doctor who didn't actively do what the others did, I hope you don't believe what they said about me. I get you were just doing your job, and even in a case like mine, I'm glad you didn't abuse me to.

Occasion 2: "I wish you had listened to me. I wish you hadn't misdiagnosed me and left me with that mark on my medical record. I wish I had gotten a freaking lawyer when you intimidated me into staying. You know, and now I know, that if I had chosen to leave then there wouldn't be a thing which could stop me. I hate you, most of all, but more than that I hate this entire system which allowed it to happen. So go on and add me to your success statistic. Congratulations. You've cured I problem I don't have. I spent 63 days and 11 hours in purgatory and it didn't cure a thing; only added onto my problems. The only thing that changed was I was left with PTSD. Thank you, thank you so much for 'curing' me."
 
I don't think I could speak to them any more than I already have. I guess I would just ask them if it was worth it to destroy another human being? To f*ck up a person so hard that their entire life was derailed... The ones I have spoken to about it either don't remember or just don't care. So screw 'em.. If there is a Judgement Day, they'll know horror beyond measure... I guess I just have to content myself with that.. Except I can't. Even then I would try to rescue them from Hell because it's the right thing to do.

Except I can't, as it's not my place or responsibility to save them from Hell. Sheesh, I'm confused... This whole 'trying to believe in a Higher Power again" thing is wearing me out.. :blackeye:
 
Not much one can say to a sociopath from my perspective. I can think of one I brought into my life (no doubt 'cause he reminded me of my father, the original sociopath in my life) who really did amaze me with his glacial cruelty. I would say, "Well, my self esteem was destroyed when you insulted me. I hate myself now and cannot date or socialize. Did you recover from me wasting those five minutes of your night years ago? I know it was hard for you to have to grit your teeth through the conversation with me and listen to me talk while there were other, possibly more attractive women at the bar that night that I was keeping you from with my useless prattle. Have you conned enough of them into bed with your slimy lies and pick up artistry, the same con gaming you used on me to make me think you really liked me? Have you f*cked enough true stunners to recover from me wasting five minutes of your night?"
 
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