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It won't Jimmy, this is just a speed bump on our highway to reach out to Veterans in need. We're bound to have growing pains. To your suggestion, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask a person to state they were in the military and were diagnosed with PTSD. I think a major portion of the current problem is how or where to state that.

I don't have the computer savy to say do it this way or that but we need to somehow let folks know they need to supply those two credentials.

Believe me, I understand the paranoia. Just meeting someone on the street that says he was in Nam and saw heavy action sends my shields up big time, until he talks the talk.

I think we can find a way to meet everyone's expectation and we'll motor on.

Sarg
 
I believe in courtesy. I still hold the door open for people; some smile and say thanks, other don't. I still do it. I don't think courtesy is as common as it once was. But the world changes.

"Civilized" men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.
 
I love to draw. You have to really observe something to be able to see what it really is before you can draw it well. It's kinda' my view with people as well. I observe, kinda' quietly at first to see what and who they are. People will always tell you those things if you're patient and wait.

I think the same is true here. Given time people will tell us who they are and all the rest that they want to. Most are just looking for a place to hang their hat and hang out. Me too.

We all have PTSD that certainly adds a layer of problems on top of all the others. Still believe in the Golden Rule. If people aren't who they say we'll know in time. But being friendly and helpful just may help someone in dire need of support. As I've said everyone will do what they do. Just think of what you'd like this place to be and then act accordingly. As always, just Jar's 2 cents.

Semper Fi

Jar

EDIT: Yes Fargo, you're right. And on the internet some people can have a field day. We here on this site can decide how we want that interaction to go. It's a choice. My opinion.
 
Oh Jar, there have been so many times that I've said to myself, "You would not be saying that to me if we were in the same room." To some asshat on the internet. It is particularly bad in Multi-player video games...

But this conversation boils down to the start of a bad joke – One asshole walks into a room full of assholes...

And yes, I too fit the category of asshole.

I agree that an introduction is the correct and polite thing to do in social situations. But, I am constantly reminded of my personal life and just how far I had fallen.

Pre-meltdown, my business partner once described me as, "The most gregarious guy he had ever met." In those heady days I would have to go to business functions, I could walk into a room full of real estate agents (assholes), politicians (assholes), and planning officials (assholes), put on a smile, walk over to one of these clumps of stinking human excrement and start talking, laughing and genuinely having fun.

Post meltdown, I was something else — I would do anything to not even go to a friend's dinner party, full of my friends. On the few occasions my girlfriend dragged me kicking and screaming to such events, I could be found standing in a corner, back to the wall, drinking one bourbon, one scotch, and a beer, eyeballing the crowd for threats, emanating menace, and flinging poo at those who dared approach me. She would introduce me to people and I would begrudgingly issue forth a few short, staccato bursts of words.

We live on a planet chalk full of broken monkeys. If PTSD isn't wrecking us, something else surely is. Most of the pitiful broken monkeys who are coming here are looking for HELP. They are covered in the shit that is their life, and are flailing about trying to get it off their fur. Some are broken in other ways. Some can read. Some cannot. Some were socially inept to begin with. Some were not. Some can string words into coherent sentences. Some cannot. Some are drunk (or otherwise impaired). Some are not. But they all have one thing in common — they are all assholes walking into a room full of assholes.

This room, and all you assholes in it, saved my f*cking life. When I first walked in, had I been met with hostility, I would have either reacted with hostility back or simply left — and that would have been the end of my story.

Maybe I'm missing something. But since I have been one of the assholes in the room, the instances of snake oil salesmen and others of their ilk, have been relatively few. When they walk in, we fling poo at them instantaneously and they leave. Then there are the girl(boy)friends, spouses, etc., who believe that they can walk in and receive help. They do need help, sure enough. But they aren't following our rules (and we be monkeys who believe in our rules). Usually, a simple, "This is a place for veterans only. The site that you want is..." is all that is necessary for them. To immediately start throwing shit their way, doesn't help them. All it does is cover them in more shit. Really the rest fall into two groups; Fellow PTSD monkeys and shit-stained pretender monkeys. IMHO, when either of these walk into the room and start ooking and eeking at us without introduction, it should be handled exactly as it would at a dinner party. Look at them and say, "Hello, I'm (state your name). And you are? Please introduce yourself to the room, let us know who, what, where and whatnot." It is really as simple and painless as that. After that, it very quickly becomes obvious what pile their shit belongs in.
 
This room, and all you assholes in it, saved my f*cking life. When I first walked in, had I been met with hostility, I would have either reacted with hostility back or simply left — and that would have been the end of my story.

AMEN, AMEN Fargo........

Ba (me asshole too)
 
I'll just realized Bar is MIA. That is too bad because he is a valuable part of the group. Nonetheless, his last post is pertinent to this topic nearly 2 months later:

I'm out. I've had it for now. I thought we were supposed to welcome new members. As I remember it, a lot of people show up here a mess, then either settle down or bug out. I know I showed up quite the mess. I've stuck around to hopefully help others as best I can. I understand the anger at the latest case. I'd get angry too if someone shit in my Wheaties.

I don't feel comfortable here right now. I don't have a whole lot to offer the site. I've tried to be helpful when I can. I've tried to play by Anthony's rules, who I respect greatly. I'm just bone tired of trying.

I won't be back any time soon to check any replies. I may check back in a month or two. Maybe my absence will make the place better, I certainly hope so. I will still be on the civie site most likely.

Best of luck to all in taming the beast.

From his quote above ~ Here's the key for him:

"I thought we were supposed to welcome new members. As I remember it, a lot of people show up here a mess, then either settle down or bug out. I know I showed up quite the mess. I've stuck around to hopefully help others as best I can. I understand the anger at the latest case. I'd get angry too if someone shit in my Wheaties.

I don't feel comfortable here right now. I don't have a whole lot to offer the site. I've tried to be helpful when I can. I've tried to play by Anthony's rules, who I respect greatly. I'm just bone tired of trying"
 
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