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Is Anyone Choosing To Deal With Ptsd Without Meds?

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So sticking to the safe side of supplements I know are safe for me.
Ronin:
How do you know which supplements are safe for you? And in what doses.? I know more about prescription medications than about supplements; I'd be very wary before starting new things.
It sounds like you and/or others are using supplements to take the place of prescription medications.... But even vitamins taken in certain doses begin to act as drugs too - main difference being that supplements are not regulated the same way.
Just because they are not regulated does not make them safer. In some cases, I think it can be LESS safe, if you are taking megadose levels and/or combining a variety of meds and supplements without a great deal of care.
-I'm not criticizing anyone for familiarizing oneself with alternatives to prescription medicine. But I would be wary no matter what I was ingesting.
And, now I'm curious - what supplements do you find both safe and helpful? I take lots of prescription meds and those are what I have researched. I do not know nearly as much about over the counter supplements. I took glucosamine for several years, bad knees, and that worked out well for me, but that's the only time I've really noted a difference AND felt safe on a supplement, and in that case it was for a purely physical ailment. Psychoactive supplements frighten me even more.
I am only curious for more info! I'm not weighing in on one side or another.
 
I know I'm arriving late here, but could anyone tell me what these "brain zaps" are and what drugs cau...
Sudden discontinuation of serotonergic drugs like Prozac and other SSRIs can cause them. I've been on a bunch of different psych medications and they only happened to me maybe once or twice. They basically feel like a sudden bolt of electricity going up your head.
 
in terms of managing PTSD without meds - meds don't teach any skills, and you can't learn to cope if the meds actually do the job they are claimed to, which is to numb away the feelings you are wanting to learn to cope with.

and if the meds aren't doing that job, then WTF are they being taken for?
I'm sorry if this has been said elsewhere, I might have missed it... but in my case I take meds so I can learn to cope with feelings that while they are a bit more under control. As I learn to deal with them, the idea is to become less reliant on medication.
Like many people I've had many experiences trying a wide variety of antidepressants - with no luck. I'm now taking a mood stabilizer, theoretically for Bipolar Type II but it also makes me drowsy so I take it at night to help me sleep.
I also take benzodiazepines and one of the newer off-label beta blockers. Both have helped me be less scared to sleep, for example. This is important to me, because I have nightmares most nights, so even when I am exhausted, and want to sleep, my subconscious keeps me up....somewhere I'm terrified to go to sleep.
Unfortunately this means I need fairly high dosages of meds to help me get the sleep I need... but getting better sleep makes me feel physically better during the days, my thought process is more clear, which allows me to talk or write or think things through. In particular, it helps me speak about some of my most soul-crushing anxieties and thoughts within the confines of therapy. I've processed, gone through, a number of these anxieties. Since I trace my PTSD to several discrete events in my life, medicine allows me to calm down and compartmentalize in a healthy enough manner that I can work on one trauma or another (e.g.., CSA, or Sept.11th), ...without being absolutely flooded with irrational panic, fear, other emotions. I make sure my psychiatrist knows what I'm doing in therapy, and my therapist knows what meds I'm taking, and that way I get feedback from more sources than my immediate family. Sometimes balancing is involved. Add one, take less of another. I've been taking many of these meds at varying dosages for more than 10 years.. The most recent addition is in the past year or so, a beta blocker, Propranolol (which is akin to prazosin, I have seen mentioned on this board), which has been a tremendous help in alleviating nightmares... well that one I've only been on for maybe a year or two and it helps me feel less terrified upon waking from nightmares.
Less terrified is good. I also feel less foggy, not dragged down quite as much by the weight of my subconscious mind.
Now, then you get down to individual side effects and see that my blood pressure can run 82 over 56 and that is not ideal. But I pay attention and continue to look for a balance that allows me to be clear-headed enough to think things through in a logical manner, while also ..well yes a certain amount of numbing is indeed involved. I do not want to be numb to life now, nor do I want to numb myself at all for the rest of my life, but the hope, and the plan with my dr and therapist, is that a little numbing now will help me, give me the space to learn to prevent the most dreadful heartbreaking feelings, without relying so much on meds *in the future.* I don't even think numbing is quite the right word for it. I think I would call it "curbing". If my choice is to be terrified I'm going to die every second of every day, well that's no good. Meds allow me to cope, while I am working in therapy, learning to cope without meds, or with lower doses.

Sometimes I *wish* they'd "numb away" but it doesn't work that way - not for me at any rate.
 
Yes, we have to function daily in a productive manner, so to daily strive for ways to break up the cycle...
There have also been times I've had to limit my use of television, especially the news which seems to focus on negative happenings. I want to know what's going on in the world though being mindful of the mediums I seek updates on is helpful while monitoring my exposure to what's presented.
 
..... I've had to limit my use of television, especially the news which seems to focus on negative happenings. I want to know what's going on in the world though being mindful of the mediums I seek updates on is helpful while monitoring my exposure to what's presented.
This is very difficult for me to juggle. Is it the right amount, or too much? If I take a "break" from direct media exposure, who do I ask to help keep me up on news that I should know? And where is the line, that I should know vs. burying my head in the sand. If I am asking someone else to help me with this, there's a lot of gray area involved, trying to decide what I need to know.
That sounds absolutely loony, doesn't it? It's something I have struggled with for years, and right now I feel the most exposed as I have been in a very long time.
The news is dreadful.
More than one person in my life has said that the news media of the time were at least partially to blame for the reaction of people across the country on and after Sept. 11th.
I'm sorry. I'm feeling foggy and posting trying to keep a grip on myself. I disappeared for a long while and I'm trying to... I'm trying not to float away in a breeze.
 
How do you know which supplements are safe for you? And in what doses.?
Trial and error, and building up on past experience and modifying it. Eventually, sticking to the lowest doses for the thing and seeing what it does, if anything, and building up from that. Basically just the same testing I would do with any other substance.
And, now I'm curious - what supplements do you find both safe and helpful?
Personally, mostly herbal medicine. Either it is something I can get off nature and prepare myself, so trusting it, or I can get it through channels I trust, so similar. If that backfires, I got mostly only myself to blame and something else to look around for.
 
Greetings

I am med free so far, my primary Dr has advised me of the meds he prefers and will consult with my counselor if I request them.

But for now, I walk with and without the dog, drive farm roads which are mostly empty so I can relax and process.

I read and since I drive overnights I listen to books on tape, both fiction, history, and ptsd.

I thought I was entry level as ptsd goes, but as counseling continues I'm finding out otherwise, the walls of resistance that I have built are very impressive but that is minor as to what is behind them.

My sessions are once every three weeks, but if I'm in crisis I can be seen right away.

Hasn't happened yet.......
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Trial and error, and building up on past experience and modifying it. Eventually, sticking to the lowest d...

If that backfires, I got mostly only myself to blame and something else to look around for.
If that backfires, it can kill a person.

There are many things that can go wrong in medication and supplement combinations.... but in this case I'm thinking in particular of trouble I've had with grande mal seizures. I don't have epilepsy but I have had seizures on occasion - if, for example, the level of benzodiazepine in my blood fluctuates too much too quickly. (Several years ago, when I was in the hospital, the intake doc cut my dose of xanax in half. I said "I'll have a seizure." He decided I was trying to be difficult. But guess what? Ha. I wish that had been the case.) I can adjust dosages or go off such medications, but I need to slowly titrate with the help of a doctor. - That's my own personal experience; I realize that not everyone is as sensitive as I seem to be.

Some herbal remedies directly contraindicate some of the medications that I'm currently taking. People reading this should realize that not everyone can take the risk "if it backfires" and might want to talk to a doctor before trying any potentially psychoactive substances.

I'm not criticizing your own management, but I do think it's important to advocate caution.

Edit: I include things that are so ubiquitous and generally regarded as harmless such as caffeine. I and my doctors work awfully hard to maintain some sort of balance in my system, with Bipolar II concurrent with PTSD, not to mention physical health problems like asthma and severe allergies.
 
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I'm not criticizing your own management, but I do think it's important to advocate caution.
Sure.

But caution is not fear mongering.

And please, acknowledge not everyone lives in the area of the world with informed medical professionals. I do not appreciate this quite condescending tone of posting. Not all of us on this forum can access things taken for granted or available to others.
 
I do not appreciate this quite condescending tone of posting.
Whoa whoa, this is not my intent at all. I apologize to anyone who catches anything condescending here! I'm merely trying to be clear, and safe. Those are my two main goals in this particular post of mine. I'm sorry to have offended you... I did say I take a strict line. And also - my doctors have screwed up! Doctors are not the end-all be all but living far away from good medical care, there are ways to work around that. It's hard as anything...when my psychiatrist left his practice I had tremendous problems finding someone to take me on particularly because of too many health problems all going on at the same time.
I don't understand this condescending. ? Sharing my experience. No more no less.
 
People reading this should realize that not everyone can take the risk "if it backfires" and might want to talk to a doctor before trying any potentially psychoactive substances.

I was speaking for myself.
My experience. With my medication and deemed alternative/traditional medication. My available choices, my choices taken.

Not speaking of anyone else or for anyone else.

And speaking to a doctor before trying any substances is privilege talking. Poor people don't GET TO talk to a doctor for every little thing they might need to consult with a professional - or even severe & several very big things they would need to discuss.
 
And speaking to a doctor before trying any substances is privilege talking.
I said "might" want to speak to a doctor. I have been through times when this was not possible. I understand it might not be possible for everyone - only that it is something to consider. I never said "Speak to a doctor before trying any substances."

It is NOT taken for granted, not to me at least. I'm incredibly grateful to be under the care of someone I trust. I worry he'll retire and I won't know what to do. It's still a pain in the neck, it's difficult, not all of my medications are always affordable for me, even though I depend upon them for daily functioning.... *Doctors* are not always affordable to me. I've been in hospitals where the care was poor - I was there basically to prevent me from killing myself, and they messed up my meds to the point where I had multiple grande mal seizures. It's not easy.

I was not speaking of anyone else or for anyone else, either.

I was thinking, not talking to a doctor could kill ME. I'm terrified right now, to be honest. What if my doctor leaves his practice? What if my insurance changes and I can't take a medicine that I depend on to live my life?

Also, prescription medications are sometimes covered by my insurance. Supplements are not. They can be incredibly pricey, in fact. Please don't make assumptions about some supposed privilege of care that you think I have. I do not.
 
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