Sexual Assault Law Of Attraction And Child Abuse

[miss_isolated]

So is the law of attraction is really only about influencing the future and doesn't explain the past at all?

It's about influencing the now on a moment by moment basis. The next moment and the next and the next... and so on. There is no past or future, there is only now.

The idea is that there is no time and that time is an illusion.

 

[miss_isolated]

I like the story about ingredients. We all get some, but it's what we do with them that counts. Appreciating that you have some is also very important.

 

[cherryblossom]

The very first poster said I might be over thinking it all.

Perhaps I'm over thinking it too. I really like the idea that positive thoughts and actions affect the future, and I do see how that happens. I love all the positive ideas and thoughts on this thread.

It's really just the flip side that I don't get (explaining past events), and that kind of makes the law of attraction theory difficult for me to accept or understand.

I keep going over and over it in my head, and I clearly am not explaining myself well. Some people seem to be upset by what I have had said. That is not my intention at all.

I honestly think that it's all too non-proven for my logical and analytical brain to accept.

 

[rainbow1]

I've read over this thread a few times to try and understand everyone's point of view.

I'm scientific at heart although have studied philosophy as well so I am open to idea's.

I like the "ingredients" idea put forward in the karma explanation. I can apply that to my own situation. I could have the best family, support system, and therapist available but if i'm not willing to put in the time, effort and tears then the outcome is likely to be poor. It's about how you deal with situations your in despite the poor hand you've been dealt. But it offers no explanation for why I was abused only how I deal with now.

The Law of Attraction is something that I find illogical and unmeasurable.

It suggests that you attract into your life what you think about. It also says that you see reality very differently to most people. Subjective reality, where everything and everyone in your reality are merely a projection of your own thoughts. You alone are the only "thinker" in your universe.

It goes as far as to suggest something physical can change purely by thought. The example I read suggested a letter thought to be a bill will in fact be a bill, however if you think strongly enough that it was in fact a cheque for money it would turn out to be just that.

Don't get me wrong I like the idea that positive thoughts will make things in the future more positive. But you can't only look at one side of the argument. CB is right to ask about the flip side of this. The bad things are explained by having negative intentions. That includes getting ill, dying of cancer, etc.

According to the Law of Attraction, the abused child did not intend for it to happen, however, 'you' intend child abuse to manifest and the more you think about it the more it will expand in your reality. It also says that children and babies don't have intentions only you have intentions of what happens to the children and babies in your reality. It makes no logical sense.

Cherryblossom, I don't see your comments as offensive at all. According to the law of attraction the fact that they were taken as such is because the person who found them offensive intended to find them that way!

Just my views on the subject.

 

[miss_isolated]

By nature, children are not responsible. Adults are. If a child gets abused by an adult or another child, it must be slackness of the parent/carer and in my opinion 100% primarily the mother who caused it by her thinking, whether she's absent or not she has attracted it to her children who are in no way responsible for themselves.

My mother "knew" about my experience all throughout my childhood and kept on asking about it. She created the space for it to happen, then people went along with it.

Hmmm... maybe there's no explanation at all for bad things happening to anyone.

 

[Tarot]

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Cherryblossom, I don't see your comments as offensive at all. According to the law of attraction the fact that they were taken as such is because the person who found them offensive intended to find them that way!

I guess that is the problem with online communication. There is a certain amount of projection and anticipation when reading something someone else wrote. But I can honestly say I did not intend to find anything CB said offensive when I started to read her comments. I was not searching for something to nitpick. The commentary I found issue with wasn't even aimed towards me which I found to be offensive/negative, so I have no reason to read into it, as you are implying. As a matter of fact, CB directed apologies at me before she even wrote her commentary, hoping not to offend me. So like I said, I personally did not find the commentary she said towards me offensive, so I have no reason to be "looking" for something in retaliation. I saw some comments that sounded like she was in pain, and was using some low-blows regarding other board members to get her message across.

But, to each his own. Like I said before, it's all about perception. Since we aren't with one another in person conversing and able to see body language, text can get emotionally misconstrued. So I will admit that I could have been wrong and if CB says her comments weren't intentionally negative or hurtful towards the other board members, then I have to believe her and leave it at that. Seriously, no hard feelings on my part. I'm fine with it. I enjoy the discussion here. And I'm glad there are people who disagree with the Law of Attraction because like I originally stated, I find it to be a way for others (like my ex-shrink) to blame the troubles you are experiencing in your life on yourself. I find that to be harsh as well, but part of me is still programmed to believe it for whatever reason and it's still something I'm dealing with.

 

[rainbow1]

Yes Tarot, that is one of the problems with online chat. It is a bit like a text message as well. You don't have any of the visual cues to see what the other person means. :confused:

By the way, I wasn't implying anything by my comment. :oops: I was merely making the point that according to the laws of attraction, the members who found CB's comments upsetting/offensive, caused that feeling by intending and thinking it. Nothing happens in each person's own reality that is not thought or intended by that person.

I was trying to show the theory put into practice. Anyway, I will stay out of it now before I dig myself a deeper hole.:eek:

I don't and never will believe in a theory like that. I believe in life and that the people that live it are flawed, unpredictable, ever changing and developing, spontaneous and everything else that comes with it. :thinking:

 

[Ice_Fire]

The more I read this thread, the more confused I get! But it's all very interesting.

By nature, children are not responsible. Adults are. If a child gets abused by an adult or another child, it must be slackness of the parent/carer and in my opinion 100% primarily the mother who caused it by her thinking, whether she's absent or not she has attracted it to her children who are in no way responsible for themselves.

So, my mum 'attracted' my abuse to me, from her own thinking. Well yeah, she was the abuser, so...does that mean that if she hadn't 'attracted' abuse towards me, she wouldn't have done it? Or am I losing the plot here?

It suggests that you attract into your life what you think about. It also says that you see reality very differently to most people. Subjective reality, where everything and everyone in your reality are merely a projection of your own thoughts. You alone are the only "thinker" in your universe.

It goes as far as to suggest something physical can change purely by thought. The example I read suggested a letter thought to be a bill will in fact be a bill, however if you think strongly enough that it was in fact a cheque for money it would turn out to be just that.

I think this is what I find so utterly confusing about the whole thing. We are all influenced by eachother, what each person thinks and does inevitably affects other people. But this suggests that you can 'think your way to a different reality'? It cannot logically have physical consequences such as getting a cheque in the post because that's controlled by the sender.

This theory makes less sense the more I read...so I've come to the conclusion I don't believe in it and never will. I think it's just a case of '$h1t happens' and it's just pot luck who's affected.

 

[miss_isolated]

So, my mum 'attracted' my abuse to me, from her own thinking. Well yeah, she was the abuser, so...does that mean that if she hadn't 'attracted' abuse towards me, she wouldn't have done it? Or am I losing the plot here?

Um, I don't really know what you mean... or how to answer that.

My point was that the mother, (in my own opinion) is the main one willing to along with sexual abuse.

 

[Tarot]

Um, I don't really know what you mean... or how to answer that.

My point was that the mother, (in my own opinion) is the main one willing to along with sexual abuse.

I'm starting to see this in an even broader, esoteric sense.

Perhaps we are here to stop the cycle of abuse. Perhaps we take on the "sins of the father(mother)" and have to heal them for everyone before us. It's really the only explanation I can think of anymore. Sure, doesn't make logical sense, but at this point, I don't think it's supposed to. I wish life was just "we live, we die, that's it," but I'm afraid it's not. I just wish I knew why we all have to suffer for everyone else's issues.

 

[Girl Power]

Did your boyfriends sister do something bad in her life or a previous life to get cancer? When she was fighting the cancer, was she actually putting out negative vibes?

If this is not offensive and frankly immature I don't know what is. Cherryblossom you wanted to get an explanation of what the law of attraction is and how it explains abuse and to get your answer you have stooped to a low level and used an event that has happened in my boyfriends life that still hurts him today and so hurts me. The abuse that my Dad inflicted on me causes me so much pain and heartache everyday that I am likely to never get over. But I don't blame my mother for it. That is absolutely absurd!!! She never willed for this to happen. If she did then why were my brother and sister not abused in the same way.

Why go to such a low and immature level to explain whether there is some validity in the law of Karma and the law attraction. I'm actually a scientist and have a PhD but I have also studied religious philosophy for 2 years. I believe if you really study religious philosophy in depth you will find that religion and science are actually in agreement over many things. I am in no way an expert in either the law of attraction or law of karma but in my own experience there is some validity in both. I don't believe everything that is taught in the law of attraction books. and there's not much based on scientific proof but it's become a big craze in the west due to the promoters. However, karma has been proved scientifically and there is a lot of historic evidence about karma.

Children don't have the choice of what happens to them and often adults don't. I was abused a second time by my husband who was someone I loved and completely trusted. I know of people who have been raped through no fault of their own (even though people do try to put the blame on the victims - like they led the guy on) and my boyfriend's sister never asked to get cancer and die from it. This is just absolutely ridiculous! :banghead:

If people can't take home the positive messages and positive experiences of others who have also been through a traumatic event and learnt to survive it, then I don't know how this forum can give support. Since I posted on this thread I thought I was giving my own positive experience to help people see how a religious belief can help someone to survive a traumatic event like abuse and try and make a good life for themselves afterwards. Instead I feel like my post has been attacked and no Rainbow I don't agree with your post:

According to the law of attraction the fact that they were taken as such is because the person who found them offensive intended to find them that way!

These are all immature responses. Rather than having a proper discussion and putting down valid reasons why you don't believe in karma or law of attraction you have to take an immature view of it and criticized the people who do believe in it. This thread has caused me a lot of anxiety, which is something I struggle with on a day to day basis due to a lot of memories coming back to me over the last few months about my abuse and has also upset me, which is not what I came to this form for :cry:

 

[Tarot]

{{{Girl Power}}}

I'm sorry, GP. :( I wish we could all just start over again here. I feel bad that you're hurting so much.

I must admit that I did something rather unintentional a few weeks ago on here that caused a new member to run off the board. I still feel bad about it to this day. I didn't think before I typed, and I was new here as well, so I kind of missed the importance of watching my words and really *thinking* before writing my words down. I think I was wrapped up in my own pain to really notice there was someone else in pain reaching out too.

I think we're all just very hurt people on this forum who are in a lot of pain and looking for some comfort. I think when we try to all find answers as to why things happen, it just opens a huge can of worms. Kind of like when you get a bunch of diverse people in a room and ask them all to start talking about political and/or religious topics. It never ends well. I feel that this is what happened here.

I also think that everyone's beliefs and ideas got misconstrued and we forgot that there are living, breathing people on the other end of the modem who are in a lot of real pain right now, fighting a hard battle. Personally, I don't think it matters if karma or law of attraction or god or atheism or anything offers an "explanation" as to why we've gone through what we've gone through in our lives. I think the most important thing here is to just remember that we need each other to get through it because we're all hurting badly. We're not the enemies. If anything, we should be one another's support system, because for a lot of us that's all we have right now.