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Relationship My Story Sounds So Much Like A Lot Of Yours... Still Need To Vent It.

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sami24

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Hey all...I've waited a few months before posting in here, because I spent a lot of time reading what everyone else had to say. And the tears don't stop when I read all of your stories. I want to reach through the monitor and hug all of you going through what we are.

Here is my story. Its a long one, so I apologize.

Last August, I made the decision to divorce my almost ex-husband after 5 years of staying with him for my 2 young children's sake. He had cheated on me and I never recovered from it. I fell out of love with him and stayed just for the kids.

3 weeks later, the most amazing man walked into my life completely unexpectedly. He is a local firefighter in my town and I had taken my kids to this small fair where they had their ladder truck and gear for the kids climb up on and to try on. He was wonderful to my kids and adorably cute, but we never exchanged more than a "thank you" or smile. No names or anything. A few weeks later, his Fire Company (that I had liked on FB 3 years earlier) posted pics from that day and I posted on one of the pics thanking them for being so kind to my kids. I had a friend request relatively quickly and by the next day, we were talking on facebook. We talked and talked and texted and talked. Nonstop. Within a week and a half, we were telling each other we loved each other. We had told each other almost everything about ourselves.

I know that when he was in Iraq, he came home with PTSD and had 6 months of outpatient therapy in a local hospital. He also found out that his first love, a girl he had been with for a long time, had cheated on him the whole time he was gone. He also came home to his dad, stepmom and stepsister having moved across country from him. He did not speak to his mother, who was still in town. After that, he spent 4 years alone. He didn't need anyone or want anyone. He fooled around with girls and hung out with friends but didn't have any serious relationships at all. Until me. He told me he was scared because of the last time he fell in love and what happened. He kept worrying that I would leave someone who was better looking, or had more money or could give me more than he could.

Over the next few months, he would pull away from me and then come back. Each time, he started some random fight over a stupid accusation that made no sense or something I said or did...also which made no sense to cause a reaction like that. We NEVER fought in person, always through text. Together, or even on the phone, we are amazing together and never fight. It would be great for a month, then bad for 10 days, then great for 3 weeks, then bad for a week. We went away to Vegas together in January, it was amazing. 2 days after getting home, he accused me of lying about something I didn't lie about and we didn't see each other for 4 weeks. We spoke on and off during this time but didn't see each other until the start of March. Everything fell back into place and things were good until the 24th of march when it all fell apart again. Since then its been a mess. But he reaches out to me about things he'd only come to me about.

I know I'm focused on the bad here, but there is so much good. He's one of the best people I know but he doesn't think so. When my 4 year old talks about him, his face lights up. My son thinks he's a big deal. He says, "Tell him I'm not, because I'm not". or something along those lines. When we are together, I see the smile on his face and the happiness in his eyes. His friends have told me how he is when he talks about me, etc.

I keep reading I have to let him hit bottom before he'll get help again for his PTSD. My problem is, it hurts too much to watch him hit bottom, so I reach out a hand to save him before he gets there every time. Right now we aren't speaking. At. All. A few texts in the past 10 days and that's it. He keeps himself busy with work and the fire company and everyone keeps telling me he'll come back...but I don't know what to do when he does.

Please...any advice or support or I don't even know what. Just need to get this out to people who understand.
 
Just to recap; you left your husband, father of your children because it was a bad relationship and you quickly fell in love with a man with untreated PTSD. He is yo-yo'ing in and out of your life,... and your children's lives? You have 2 children, are they under 5 years old? They need stability, patience, respect, reasonable explanations for the world around them, time with their parents, sympathy when they're hurting, attention when they communicate, etc... (Just naming some of the things that I couldn't give my kids while they were young and I was experiencing full blown untreated PTSD)

I may sound crass, but really I'm concerned and I want you to hear my message. That guy is not good for you. You need to get away from him. He has a mental disability, one that can really mess up your kids (directly) and one that can really mess up their mom (which will mess them up indirectly). This isn't something that you can save him from. You can't control his environment so he's not triggered. You can't save him from rock bottom because it hurts you to see him there. He's not even at rock bottom when you see him... he's just unable to cover his emotions at that point. It looks like rock bottom to you, but to a sufferer it feels like I'm releasing my emotions... blowing off steam... overwhelmed... can't deal with it silently anymore, etc... but, no one has seen me at rock bottom. That happens internally and results in resolve. Uh, for me. For some, it results in death or something like it.

If he's a survivor, he'll hit rock bottom and resolve to get help. When his PTSD is treated, he'll be a more stable, supportive, capable mate; but, he'll always have PTSD and it will always be a factor in your relationship. You are risking your health and your children's health by trying to save this man. If I were choosing to save someone, I'd choose someone who is actively trying to save themselves. With my help, they would have a chance of managing this disorder more effectively, I would hope... but, I have no control over that and neither do you.

Welcome to the forum.
 
If I were chosing to save someone, I'd choose someone who is actively trying to save themselves.

This is so true. I've had friends who also have PTSD and my boyfriend as well as I have PTSD. The only reason my boyfriend and I have made it ten years together is due to the fact that we both work toward improving ourselves, which means actively working toward changing our maladjusted coping mechanisms. Neither of us have young children. Had he not been consciously working through his past trauma, I would not have been willing to date him. Some friends with PTSD I've had to let go of because they aren't yet on that path to gain understanding to the point of making positive changes.

Do take care in yourself which in turn also safeguards your children. None of this means that the guy you care about is "bad", just that he is still in an unhealthy place.
 
OK, let me clarify...he's not yo-yoing into my kids lives. He's my "friend" to them. Like any of my other friends. He hasn't stayed over when they are here or we haven't all gone out together. I would never, EVER endanger my kids' emotional or physical being.

Also, I got out of my marriage because my ex-husband cheated on me. We were roommates the past 4 years, nothing more. There was no animosity or hate, just no love. I didn't want my kids thinking that THAT was a marriage. That a husband and wife didn't speak much, or sleep in the same room, or show affection towards each other.
 
I feel the need to say that you can't lie to kids. They know or will figure out soon enough that this guy is more than a friend.

So for arguments sake, let's just say he's a friend. Even at just a friend level he can take a huge toll on you and the stress can trickle down to your family.

I urge you to read the other supporter threads. Not all supporters are partners. Some are friends and it takes a huge toll on them.

I wish you the best.

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My point is that you can't protect your kids from this simply by saying he's just a friend. It doesn't work like that.
 
Welcome Sami.

I'm sorry to hear about what you're experiencing - PTSD is quite a rollercoaster, not just for the sufferer, but also for the supporter.

As a starting point, perhaps you might like to think about what it is you want in a relationship and whether you think that's achievable with this man. I'd suggest considering what your boundaries are and what your actions are going to be if they are crossed. I can tell that the lack of communication is somewhat bothersome to you, and you might want to pay particular attention to that one.

I know that it's very common for sufferers to isolate themselves and to over-react to things, but even so, it's important that you don't come to 'tolerate' certain behaviours that can't be excused by PTSD (e.g. plain rudeness/bad behaviour etc) or to feel that what you need from your relationship isn't important - because it is.

I hear you with respect to what you were saying about your ex-husband and that there was no love, that he was unfaithful etc. It seems to me that you have an idea about what it is you want from a relationship, but perhaps give it a little further thought... write it down even.

Perhaps, after you've been able to consider all of the above, you could broach the subject with him. It's important to hear him out, and perhaps he may well need his space at times (sufferers do tend to need this) so it's essential that this is respected, however some basic rules of communication, assertive communication at that, will benefit you both.

You may also like to have a look at a book called "The PTSD Relationship" which you might find useful.

I hope this has been helpful - and I wish you luck.

B x
 
Thank you for the replies.

What I want from our relationship is what we have when he's NOT pulling away. When he doesn't get scared and run. When we are together and that light is in his eyes and smile on his face like it is every time we are near each other. It makes me so incredibly sad when he does this. I'm not his ex. I won't hurt him.
 
I'm not his ex. I won't hurt him.
I think you should read some more of the Supporter diaries, and instead of thinking about how strong you are... how dependable, how capable, how loyal... think about what you want in a husband.

I didn't want my kids thinking that THAT was a marriage.
Instead, you may marry a man with a mental disorder. Consider what kind of marriage you want your kids to emulate.

He's my "friend" to them. Like any of my other friends.
What is he to you? If he's a love interest to you, then it will some day escalate to him being a father figure to them.

I would never, EVER endanger my kids' emotional or physical being.
Everyone loses their temper when they've had enough... had it up to here, so to speak. Everyone blows their top when that happens. Most people have really good strategies for preventing this from happening, but if they're pushed over the edge... they're only human. But, someone with untreated PTSD has their stress cup full all the time. Even if it is their highest priority to never blow up in front of anyone (girlfriend and her kids, especially), there is only so much he can take before he boils over. To let this relationship become anymore important to you will put your kids in danger emotionally and physically.

He needs to address his traumas, put an end to his [DLMURL="https://www.ptsdforum.org/c/threads/unhelpful-thinking-styles.13778/#post-174045"]unhelpful thinking styles[/DLMURL], and learn how to manage his symptoms. Otherwise, he will just train you to help him avoid triggers and your life will revolve around him even more than it would if he were managing symptoms. And frankly, he will be the center of your family, anyway. His needs will take precedent because he is ill.

You have the opportunity to avoid that life. Will you read some more about what the supporters are dealing with?
 
What I want from our relationship is what we have when he's NOT pulling away. When he doesn't get scared and run.

I'm not his ex. I won't hurt him.

Please read other supporter posts. This issue isn't going to just *poof* go away. It is a very common sufferer issue. If this is what you want, be prepared to wait a long time to have him never push you away again or accept that it will happen from time to time if he gets overly stressed.

It's not about you, or even so much the ex. It is a symptom that is common amongst sufferers and its because we get overly stressed. People with all types of PTSD do it. It's what happens when our stress cup overfills.
 
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