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My Way To Fight Back

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Try not to be so hard on yourself. You did the best you could with where you were at the time. It was the girls place to set up a boundry and she probably froze. I am only guessing.

I agree with everything you said except for the part that you are being hard on yourself for freezing response. You were normal in an abnormal situation.
 
Maybe she did indeed freeze. But then aren't bystanders supposed to do something? I was part of that group and I saw it happen. If that would happen to me I would want someone to help me.
I did learn an important lesson from that event, though, so next time something like that happens I will know what to do.
 
So I got a job offer recently. But it's not the job I applied for. They want me to do door to door sales and I hate that. I wanted to do street sales, because I thought that would be a nice challenge for me to come out of my shell more. I'd be working in a fun team with people my age. But they don't want me for that. They want me for the door to door stuff, to be that person who disturbs people who've just come home from work and are having dinner with their families. I thought I was going to be working for good causes, but I'd be selling products from big companies.

The first sales training is tomorrow. I told people I would go, but I really don't want to. I already can't make it to the second training, because I have to go to class. I know it sounds like I'm making excuses for myself. I probably am. But I have been unstable for these past 2 days, very anxious. And I would have to go to the city where I was raped. To go do a training for a job I don't want. I think it's just too much. But I also feel very ashamed for not going, for backing out once again. I want to be stronger, to just go there and learn something, even if I don't take the job in the end. But my emotions are screaming " NO!!!" .

I have a lot of issues with feeling shame. It can really get out of proportion for me. But I have the feeling that if I go to that training tomorrow, I will feel terrible and completely out of place. I'm not a smooth talker, especially when it comes to things I don't agree with. I am pretty good at providing customer service and I would like to learn to help get people, who are already out shopping, willing to donate some money to a good cause. The thought of going out there on the streets, ringing people's doorbells and telling them some commercial story, that makes my stomach turn.

I am going to feel bad about this, but I think I'm not going to go tomorrow. Maybe go to the gym instead, so that at least I'll be doing something good.
 
I decided to politely refuse the job offer and I'm glad I did. My parents were more supportive of the decision than I had expected, so that was a relief. They know how far outside of my comfort zone that would be.

I have been thinking about how I've been feeling lately and I think I know why I often feel okay, but still very numb. I think I still have a lot of pain and emotions stored up deep inside and EMDR has only scratched the surface.
I haven't really talked about what happened, only in compliance with therapy guidelines. I've never just had a real conversation about my trauma. Every time I try I end up making jokes and changing the subject. I have a lot of trouble processing emotions.

I have been in a therapy form that was about bringing out emotions and focusing on the present. I hated it because I was treated like a child, but it did have results: eventually I cried for 4 hours.

I think I need a therapist who will be understanding and supportive and who can help me become the real me again, not the empty, numb shell of a woman that I am now. I have found someone who seems to be a good fit for me, so I'll give her a call tomorrow.
 
Ugh, I am so angry with my dad right now. For almost four years he's been out of a job and depressed. My mom has been overworked for the last 3. Dad quit therapy because he thinks he's cured, but he's obviously not. Now he just sits on the couch all day playing games on his computer or cell phone. Mom's having a friend over tonight, so after a long day a work she is vacuuming the room while my dad watches tv. Then he actually tells her to move away from the tv screen because he wants to see what the weather is going to be like this weekend. So now my mom is pissed and my dad is telling her she's overreacting. I fled to my old bedroom.

Okay, I know that when he got fired it was not his fault. I know he has had massive problems with his health and that he has been severely depressed. I know he's had a burn out and that things have just been very tough on him. None of that is his fault. What is his fault is that he chose to quit therapy only to sit around and do nothing all day, I hate seeing him and my mom like this. My mom clearly needs time off work soon and needs to come home to a place where she doesn't have to do all kinds of chores once she gets there. She is a ticking time bomb right now and one of these days she's going to collapse and not be able to work anymore. What's gonna happen then? Who's gonna take care of them? I live an hour and a half away and my sister can barely take care of herself.

Don't get me wrong, I love both my parents and my sister with all my heart. My dad has always been my hero and my mom the safest haven. Before this all started, they were happy together. They have always been great parents and I don't believe that will ever change. But I just don't know what to do. My dad will complain about things going wrong and I'll give him clear suggestions on what might help and it's like I'm talking to a wall; he just ignores it completely. I don't think he even does it on purpose. He's just so stuck in his own little world, which is shrinking by the day. I don't know what to do anymore.
I may be a psychology student, but this situation just baffles me. My dad is the most rational man I have ever known. So he of all people should be able to see that he needs to do something in order to get out of this situation. And I don't doubt that he hates himself for being unemployed and not getting anything done. His current strategy obviously isn't working. So why not try something else? Anything else, really. Anything but sitting on the couch, doing some groceries, maybe cleaning the kitchen and sitting down again. His health is getting worse every day. Why not get up and do some excercise? This situation is killing both of my parents and I hate it so much. I wish I could help them.
 
So I have been getting closer to a guy I've been dating. We've pretty much determined that we're in a relationship now and I'm really happy about it. It all feels new and still a little strange, but he really makes me happy. I can be myself around him and I believe he feels the same way about me. He makes me feel safe and loved and I am very grateful for that. Here's to the start of something beautiful :)
 
Ugh, I'm in a really bad mood right now.

I have to do loads of work on a dissertation for uni and I'm behind schedule. I had done some things that my teacher said were good but now all of a sudden they aren't anymore and I have to rewrite a large part.
Plus, the assholes that own the building I live in have decided to up the rent once again. They just built and rented out over a 100 new apartments, and yet they come to me asking for more money because of the costs going up. It's ridiculous. Aren't I in enough debt already? And the worst thing is that I can't do anything about it, because the higher rent is just on the edge of what is still legal. It's just so unfair! I still don't have a new job, so I'll have to cut on my monthly expenses even more. Or increase my monthly loan.

I don't know. It's just so frustrating. Can't wait for this week to be over.
 
This situation is killing both of my parents and I hate it so much. I wish I could help them.
Situations like that are so difficult, and actual "help" is often completely counter intuitive.

Your mum taking on the extra work, is probably "enabling" your dad to stay in his current state, rather than allowing him to find his own "self agency" which he lost when he lost his job.

There is potential for a drama triangle to develop there too, along the lines of your mum's patience finally breaking and her loosing her temper with your dad, then if he looses his temper with your mum, she then becomes the "victim" :

> rescuer > agressor > victim > ...

It's the sort of dynamics that you get much more severely around alcaholics and others with compulsive behaviours. The groups such as Al-anon and Al-ateen are there to help family members with "detaching" from the co-dependency which can easily develop.

There's a Zen koan which I absolutely love, and which I think describes compassionate "help" without being an "enabler" or a "rescuer", perfectly:

Chao-Chu, fell over in the snow and called for some monks to come and help him get up. One of the monks went and lay down in the snow beside Chao-Chu. Eventually Chao-Chu got up and walked away.
 
You are absolutely right, @Anarchy . And I liked that little story.
Because my mother is working so hard and my grandpa has also been giving my parents money to help them keep the house, my dad still doesn't really need to go do something. My mom doesn't have much of a choice, though. She has to work this hard or she loses her job. And she can't afford to lose her job because my dad doesn't have a job.

She has told me that she doesn't understand that he doesn't feel enough pressure to go do something. I feel the same way. He's already been talking about instead going to sell the house and rent a place. Well then what? He'll still be sitting on his ass. And I don't know if my mother can take much more of this. I know I couldn't. How is seeing your family suffer and being miserable yourself not enough incentive to go make a change?

Here's what I see happening: something is going to go wrong, my mom will break down, my dad will be acting like the victim and then they get a divorce. Then my dad falls back into deep depression and he won't feel any reason to get out of it, because he will have lost his wife, so what's the point. My sister won't have anyone to go to for help, except maybe me so she'll be staying over with me. Her and my grades will get worse, everything will just blow up.

I feel like I should talk to him, tell him how I really feel about this. But at the same time I'm afraid that will make him feel so bad about himself that things will get even worse. I really love him and that will never change, but things can't go on like this.
 
Yeah, I'm probably about the same age as your Dad, and I walked out of my last relationship in somewhat similar circumstances, I'd lost my job and was isolating, My ex was blowing up in my face. There were lots of other things there too, so it certainly doesn't mean that your parents, who are very different people in their own different circumstances will do the same as I did... at least I hope they don't.


First job; protect yourself.

There's an Al Anon .pdf on the net called “detachment”, it is worth downloading yourself a copy and giving one each to your mum and sister. Link Removed
Just mentally replace the work "alcaholism" with "isolating".

Remember that you are not responsible for other people's actions, or for protecting them from the consequences of their actions, so do not blame yourself if things get difficult for your mum, dad and sister

If relations between your mum and dad are strained, perhaps it is worth speaking to your mum about your worries (if you are able - I couldn't mnage it even now with my mum).

I'm particularly thinking about what happened with me. My ex and I both let ourselves react to things in the past, rather than keeping any disagreements strictly to what was happening at that moment. The result was that things like a few of my dark hairs left on the white sofa, became a major shouting session, bringing out the rage about all of the other, old and unrelated things that we still felt angry at each other for (and which long term relationship doesn't have its share of old hurts).

What would have tempted me out of my isolating and Bubble-izing?

I think the first thing would have been realizing that I was isolating, and that by hiding from stresses and triggers, I was only becoming more and more sensitive to them, and would still have to deal with them, even after wasting all of that time isolating.

It was strange how important distractions like reading someone's blog became, when I'd really have been much better off going for a walk or a bike ride – just getting out of the house.

Are there things which interest your dad, that you might be able to tempt him into going to see or do? Does he like some form of gentle exercise, like riding a bike or going for a walk? Even just getting out of the house and going for a coffee?

what was his career in? are there other people doing that within easy commuting distance of him?

If he has sunk into depression (which it sounds like) does he acknowledge it?

Even if he doesn't acknowledge it, could you gently guide him into listening to a couple of 20 minute sessions of “the mindful way through depression”? (I see you are in @Ms Spock's reading circle too) - I keep telling people to ignore the bit about depression in the title, as it is useful for so much more than just depression, and saying that the mindfulness techniques are good for all sorts of things, gets around the possible argument of him denying that he has depression, or doesn't need to listen to it.

The friend who introduced me to “the mindful way through...” had spent years on SSRIs, which did absolutely nothing for their depression, but did make my friend suicidal and really messed with them in other ways (including destroyed sex life) . Mindfulness and some CBT has really helped them though.

Let us know how you get on.
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Anarchy, I greatly appreciate you sharing your experiences and advice with me. It means a lot to me, thank you.

I recognise what you said about avoiding triggers and looking for distraction in blogs rather than going for a walk. It is something I do, too, and so does my father. If I had to guess as to what is going on in his mind, I would say that he is avoiding confrontation with his own "failure". If he were to go work out, he would be confronted with the fact that he's in terrible shape. When he looks for a job, he is confronted with the constant rejection a man his age gets in the current job market. If he were to acknowledge that everything is not fine, then he would have to deal with all the pain he has inside.

He used to be quite a keen sportsman, but that was a long time ago. He has a lot of health issues and a few aching joints, so it's hard for him to get excited about any kind of exercise. He has this annoying form of reasoning where he says taking a walk should be functional, to get from A to B, not just to take a walk. However, when he has the opportunity to take the car even for the smallest distances, he will take it.

I would love to introduce him to mindfulness, but he is a stubborn man and he thinks mindfulness and meditation are stupid. He has not recognised being depressed. He has recognised that he used to be depressed, but he tries to convince the world that that is now in the past. I wish I could contact his previous therapist. He seemed to get along with him really well. Which provides us with another mystery: why would he quit therapy?

I appreciated the advice in the pdf. One of the things it said was that one should not "manipulate situations so that others will eat, go to bed, get up....". That sounded very familiar to me. I do that all the time. I've done it for years, trying to prevent conflict and to contribute to others' well-being.

My mother has already expressed several times that she is not happy and that she has even thought of getting a divorce. And I don't blame her. It's been a while since she's spoken of this, but I notice it in the way she talks to and about my father. There's always this hint of resentment and she's clearly biting her tongue every time he doesn't live up to her expectations.
Do you think I should talk to my dad about my worries? Or would that only make things worse?
 

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