News New Cops Told To Go Out And Cause Ptsd

[Truthful_Whispers]

Control tower to 747: “United 239 heavy, your traffic is a Fokker, one o’clock, three miles, eastbound.”
United 239: “Approach, I’ve always wanted to say this … I’ve got the little Fokker in sight.” :p

 

[Ed Norton]

Well I was a flight instructor for a while so many small single and multiengines airplanes, Pipers, Cessnas, Mooneys, an Extra, Bonanzas and after my ATP I flew a Learjet 25 but only for a short while because of my trauma. I found out early that I hate the ground, and decided that becoming sn airline pilot or high level corporate pilot suited me. But now I am back to my original goal which is medicine.

 

[Truthful_Whispers]

I wanted to be a career pilot, either military or civilian, but simply too many things got in the way.

 

[Ed Norton]

I copied, Lol Old joke..very few Fokkers left :-)

 

[Ed Norton]

I majored in biology with a concentration in molecular biology and biochemistry and chemistry, took the mcats but was forced to work...I worked three jobs, flight instructor, a technical assistant/learning center tutor, in both the chemistry and biology department of a college...they were extremely racist and I had no chance of getting a full time position, so I left to fly jets. before that I was a technician in a molecular neurobiology lab. I have always wanted to be a doctor, but too many obstacles were in my way so I decided to fly. Now I'm back on the doctor kick though I still hope to getmy mmedical certification back one day and just instruct. And I also want a lot of land so that I can safely and legally practice my hobby, making fireworks....and one other goal I have is to cure HIV, I think that I know the answer...no one but I don't like talking about it because to most it sounds unbelievable and grandiose.

BTW: I was able to afford to get my pilot's license because of a bad car accident that I was in that injured me very badly, I, mostly, recovered and used the settlement money.

Don't give up PTSD isn't medically disqualifying under 14 CFR part 67 :)

 

[Friday]

That in and off itself is a problem. The military are trained to be aggressive, police are trained to communicate first, aggression second. If they can talk a person down from killing, that should be the approach. For military, it is a simple matter of getting the person in their sights and squeezing the trigger. Vast difference between the two.

Agreed. I used to spar with a cop-friend, for fun, at low speed. It was more to share techniques and laugh at the differences than for practice. I used LINE & KvM, he used the graduated level of force thing cops do.

So he'd grab me one way and I'd talk as I pulled him through the motions so that he'd go limp in those areas; Broken wrist, broken elbow, knee to face, sweep/ snapped Achilles' tendon and on the ground, booth heel to bridge of nose."

Then I'd grab him the same way... Wrist lock, still resisting? Warn them to stop. Arm lock. Still resisting? Warn them to stop. Hard arm lock (no permanent damage). Still resisting? Warn them to stop. Dislocated shoulder (possible but unlikely permanent damage).

Same thing with everything. Hand to hand in the military = kill or cripple fast & move on. Hand to hand with police? Lowest level of force possible. I was going for eyeballs and throats and nuts. Softening techniques. Then breaking joints. He was going for large muscle groups and control and 10,000 warnings.

Same question : What do you do when someone is trying to kill you? Wildly different answers.

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“There’s a reason you separate the military and the police. One fights the enemy of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.”

I love this quote.

 

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Sorry about the link. I was trying to post something quickly to show @Ed Norton support and keep up with chat.

As far as removing guns in the U.S. to do that you would have to change the entire culture. Gun ownership is one of the principles our country is founded on. We are taught from a practically birth that we need guns. We are taught that one of those reasons is to protect ourselves from an out of control government. Fear of of the government taking our guns away is exactly why we need guns. That's the logic anyways. I am not a gun person for the record.

Taking guns away from people wouldn't work because you would create exactly what people fear and it wouldn't be pretty. I think the first step is to change the way officers are trained. They receive very little training given the power they wield. I get officers often fear for their lives, but there are too many incidents where unnecessary or deadly force is used in a situation where it is clear the officers would have not felt threatened. This is usually shown by the release of the dash cam video or cell phone video.

 

[Ed Norton]

I actually know how to kill very easily, I'm just peaceful...don't need any lessons from a p...cop

 

[Friday]

They receive very little training given the power they wield.

That's a huge problem, here. The city keeps shrinking our police budget. And every time there's an unpopular incident? They get their budget slashed more as "punishment". Aaaaargh. Less money = less training = far more likely for another incident! People are so effing stupid, sometimes!

Worse, we're so underfunded that cops here don't have partners, anymore... And that's an increasing problem nationwide. Unless you're being trained? Or in rare circumstance... In my city everyone rides solo. That, alone, makes all situations far more inflammatory. Someone who is confident & relaxed knowing they have backup is far less likely to respond badly, or with more force than necessary, than someone who is scared and on their own and struggling to maintain control over a volatile situation.

So "punished" by getting funding slashed? Less training, fewer officers, longer hours, & no backup. Again. Politicians -and the average voter- are morons. That doesn't punish the police. That punishes the people they have to deal with.

 

[Ed Norton]

And then there's the homicidal psychopaths, who just want to hurt or kill an innocent person because it makes their tiny dicks hard.

 

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@FridayJones That makes sense. I have noticed locally they don't have partners but you rarely see one car at a scene. I would have no problem with my tax dollars going to par for better training for officers. You would think that due to all the issues here, there would be a larger push from the public to to increase the level of training they receive.

 

[joeylittle]

To be honest, I have no idea how America will fix these issues without removing guns from everyone but farmers and law enforcement.

And I don't think America will ever pull its guns from the general population. Something amazingly unifying would have to happen. We are too much about our freedoms and our independence.

It's kind of interesting - I often think of America (the US) as a teenager among the nations. We are young, but very endowed with power and attitude, in some ways really amazing and in other ways just should be sent to the corner with our noses against the wall or be put in time out, or something.

And then I remember that Australia is just about our same age, that our land masses are relatively similar - the difference between us and Australia really is population - we're something like 14, 15 times your population. Is that all that the difference is? Because Australia (to me) is more like that really responsible 24 year old who is learning, growing, and adjusting to what comes.

Not saying you're from paradise. I just find the comparisons interesting. Probably, there's something to be said for being your own land mass. And I'm sure our immigration demographics are radically different.

Dunno. I wish there was some way the US could get its societal shit together.

NYC in the 80s and 90s was a warzone.

This is the truth. You could probably include the 70s, at least the second half. People who don't know what times square used to be would be pretty shocked. And it seems to me like on all the perimeters, in the boroughs, those times are coming back, except now its police brutality. Sigh.