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Nightmare About My Father

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InsideAWord

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I did not take my seroquel before bed last night.

Although my father is not related to my ultimate stressor, he was physically and emotionally abusive when I was younger, especially when I had to go visit him by myself.

Last night, I dreamt I was in something that resembles a classroom setting, or maybe even a townhall meeting. Everyone there is my age except my father, who is 65, is sitting at a table by himself. While myself and I are discussing trivial, all the attention turns to my father. He says something like, "I can see it is not going to benefit me, so I'm not going to pay for [something], [something], and her [meaning me]."

When I was younger and my parents divorced, the judge had to garnish his wages since he refused to pay child support. At my high school graduation (I graduated 5th in my class), he comes up to me and the first thing he says to me is, "I don't have to pay for you anymore." Not congratulations -- not "good job, I'm proud of you."

So, everyone in the dream starts yelling at him. He stands up, walks out, and I follow him. I keep shouting, "NO! STOP! WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS!" He turns around and snarles, "Shut up." and walks away.

I woke up and I was sobbing.
 
My opinion on this is worth about two cents, but here goes: that everyone in the dream starts yelling at him is meaningful. He's wrong to treat you like that. Dead wrong.

Then you ask him why he is like he is and he doesn't want to talk about it as he's walking away. I take that to mean he has some serious problem with responsibility, with owning up to his own behavior. He's hiding the "why" part from you. But I suspect there is a reason.

Even though there may be a reason for his behavior, an explanation is not an excuse.

There is some power in this. I think you understand that he's wrong and now you're moving to the why part. Just be advised that you might not know for a long time, and maybe never. I know that's hard and it's understandable that you feel hurt about it.

My former therapist might call this a "healing" dream. It's still upsetting, but it seems like a boundary has been crossed.
 
While my opinion on your dream probably isn't worth two cents either--it seems pretty clear that it's an abandonment dream. And psychologists seem to be in longstanding and consistent agreement about parental abandonment being at the core of a host of psychological/emotional problems as setting the foundations for our expectations and experience of the world, not only as children, but therefore, as the beginning of the "snowball" that gains size as it barrels downhill into our adulthood. Everything from Borderline Personality disorder to dissociative disorder to general attachment disorders, and what's referred to as psychodynamic "object relations theory" is based around the sense of rejection that a child experiences from a parent.

Often these things only begin to kick in, and have a really pronounced effect, during the stress that marks the beginning of adulthood, around 19-22, especially: put simply, children/adolescents not only have the opportunity to see the world more in rosier terms, of unbounded hope for the future, which enables us to keep our focus there, (the "oh, it'll all just get better, soon, just don't think about it" rationale), in addition to just not having had anything like the full weight of the world's responsibilities come to rest on us, yet--which frees us up from a lot of stress.

And stress makes real, underlying emotions come out, finally. That's the theory behind why people with an at least somewhat traumatic childhood often think they've just put it behind them, and function well--until a real traumatic event "opens the floodgates" to all of this stored, "papered over" emotion, which can then turn into severe, full-fledged PTSD symptoms, even when a trauma is relatively significant, or seems as though it should be, to the sufferer.

I agree with the above post--all dreams that seem bad aren't--sometimes healing means "picking off the scab" of a gangrenous wound, in order to clean it out. And when dreams churn up issues that are deep-seated, it's often a sign that we're beginning to become not only willing to confront them, but that it's time to deal with them, as they're pressing against the doors of our conscious lives, finally--knocking at that door and demanding to be recognized and given credit for their significance.

I know this was the case for me. Around that time is when my childhood began to rear it's ugly head, in an overwhelming way that interfered with basic functioning, and at the time I had no idea why. That was all behind me, right?

I agree, as well, that everyone else in the dream represents objective reality--as though on some level, you're very aware of how objectively wrong he is/has been in his behavior...but your response to him in the dream is the question you've long needed answered, but been shoving down below a conscious level, and not looking at..."Why? Why are you doing this?"

And that's almost inevitably the first question of trauma survivors: "Why?". It's a natural question, of course. Our instinct tells us, that if we can just figure that out, it will somehow magically untangle the question for us, and provide some comfort in a logical answer that makes sense of everything...and that that will enable us finally to put it to rest.

But "Why?" is an intellectual question, demanding a logical answer--and the feelings and experience of trauma aren't based in intellectual answers nearly as much as dealing with feelings--and feelings of rejection and betrayal are still there, regardless of what the answer is to "Why?". It took me a long time to appreciate that distinction, and I still have to be reminded of it regularly.

I wish I'd been made to appreciate this much earlier--that it could be confronted, and these feelings dealt with in some productive way, so that they could be moved through, and eventually emerged from--so that I wouldn't have wasted so much time and energy just trying not to acknowledge them for so long.

As it turned out, for me, the answers to "Why?" turned out not only to seem pretty insignificant, but to not hold much power--to not have much overall effect in changing my reality or feelings. It was of some comfort to finally get it all untangled and sort it out, don't get me wrong...but it was pretty anticlimactic, and was along the lines of "well, they were pretty screwed up people, themselves, and had their own good reasons to be, even if they didn't care to do much about it."

Judith Herman, M.D., talks about the question "Why?", as the trauma survivor's first preoccupation in her seminal work "Trauma and Recovery", which was really the insight that finally "blew the doors off" for me, and opened them to recognizing trauma as not only something that deserved to be treated as a legitimate issue, but provided the hope that it could be dealt with rather than just ignored and wished away. I always recommend it to everyone with trauma issues.

I'm glad you're continuing to post, and seek support from those who understand. And even bad dreams can be good, if we recognize them as the attempts to focus us on issues we need to confront and deal with, in order to move forward.
 
The fact that everyone else in your dream stood up to defend you sounds like acceptance and empowerment. I don't know if the pain which caused you to wake in tears ever goes away, but your sub-conscious seems to have accepted the situation. His stubborn pride remains hurtful, but you know you are okay.

So thinketh the Arf...

Sure hope you work it through.
 
By the way, Seroquel inhibits REM sleep--the stage in which we dream. It's a double-edged sword. While it can be necessary in order to just function productively if our dreams are so traumatic that they leave us disabled during the day...inhibiting REM sleep prevents integration of traumatic experiences into our left brain, a "processing function" that takes place enabling us to get a grasp on them and incorporate into our narrative and identity--rather than allow them to stay in the right brain, where they're initially stored as the flashes of images/emotions that jump out and grab us as flashbacks and intrusive thoughts. That's a very short version of the theory as I've read about it, to date. That's current theory of much of what the function of dreams is for us--to process waking experiences into forms that we can integrate into our understanding of the world, for future use in confronting similar challenges.

It seems as long as you can function well enough during the day, despite nightmares, it's better in the long run not to take anything that prevents them, as it interferes with this process. But whether it's best for you, or not, at the moment, depends on the opinion of a professional, of course.
 
Sorry, I just got a chance to reply to this since I'm on my laptop. I want to thank you all for replying and giving your insight about my dream. Ironically, after my trauma, I tried to reconnect with my father for support. Of course, he didn't show much support for me. Just recently, a great aunt of mine died. She raised me from 7-11 years old due to the abusive nature of my household. When she passed away, my father was all about collecting the money that she left behind.

@Promicarus -- do you know which ingredient in Seroquel makes it possible to deflect REM sleep? Is that why I oftentimes have a seroquel hangover in the morning?

@WillyKat , he always refuses to admit when he does something wrong. He's constantly lying and I always catch him in his lies.

I sometimes wonder if I do have PTSD from my relationship with my father. I may spout my feminist discourse about how women need to be independent and I always tell myself, "Woman up," but I'm so quick to turn submissive whenever I enter a relationship. It's always about whether he is happy rather than if I'm happy.

I just want to reiterate that I'm so glad that you're all here to talk to and I really enjoy hearing your responses.

@arfie and Promicarus, I always knew that what my father did was wrong because I felt that our relationship was no unfair. He's 5'2 and I'm 5'7, so I quickly began to physically stick up for myself whenever he was trying to be physically aggressive. I remember I went chin to chin with him when I was visiting him one time. The only times when I knew I was vulnerable was when I was in the car with him. Emotionally, he is the master manipulator. He knows just how to incite sympathy in people so that he can get what he wants. It's always "woe is Ken." Even when my Aunt Joan died, he kept talking about how the day she went into hospice he had a hard time breathing. I just snapped and yelled, "This isn't about you! This is about Joan!" After she died, he tried to control me again with his old tricks by saying that he doesn't have time to plan her funeral despite the fact that he doesn't work. I work full-time and go to school full-time and I was still able to call her friends, organize the obituary, and contact the church.

He's always been an asshole and I'm worried that this influences the way I approach any sort of relationships with men. I'm always more abrasive, more puffed up, whenever I have to interact with men in school, work, or personal situations. My Type A personality is probably why most people don't get along with me but I figure that it's best that they know I can be in charge.

But, now, I seem to be crumbling since my trauma. And, it's very hard.
 
do you know which ingredient in Seroquel makes it possible to deflect REM sleep? Is that why I oftentimes have a seroquel hangover in the morning?
Seroquel is a uniform chemical agent, not a preparation with constituent elements, so as such, has characteristics--but no "ingredients" per se. While I haven't looked into it in depth and spcifically--i.e. pharmacodynamics, mechinism(s) of action, etc.--I do know that it's an antagonist at histine receptors--accounting for it's similar characteristics to antihistamines, especially at low doses (drowsiness, almost exclusively). Many drugs act differently at different doses, and Seroquel is notorious for having some of the most dramatically differing effects depending on the dosage--it's not even active as an Antipsychotic at low doses (under 100mg) for examply, and is used at that dose and lower for depression anxiety and sleep. But at higher doses it acts as an Antipsychotic. But short-answer, anything that acts as an antihistamine deprives one of REM sleep, to some degree.
 
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