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Not Good Enough For My Daughter

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How do you all do it? I know kids aren't an option for me given my current state. Yet another thing stolen from me, but I digress.
 
I don't do it all perfectly. I spend more hours online than I would like- it's so soothing to me. And I lose my temper on occasion. But... I had good early therapy, and I have a lot of self-confidence. I have hope that seems to linger on even when I feel hopeless, somehow, I just persevere.

I'm lucky too, very lucky. The universe seems kind to me these days.

I'm very sorry for your struggle. Sometimes it staggers me, the things we lose from abuse and trauma. :(
 
I just wanted to get this out, to share it, this is an example of how I get so angry, in what feels like a heartbeat.


Oh my. I’d forgotten how very upset I became when baking with my daughter, but now I remember, the challenge of gingerbread at Christmas. We were starting to make red velvet cupcakes, the flavor she picked to bring to school for an early b-day, as the school year ends right before her actual b-day. Suddenly, I was five degrees from furious as I watched her spoon batter into the pan. I was so riled up by the thought of her making a mess with the batter. The thought of getting the table dirty. It’s nothing I need to panic about- I can wash anything clean, fix any little mess from batter. It’s not important, but I feel very angry, I can feel it in my throat, fighting to get out.

I had to take a deep breath, think of her, as a defenseless baby in her first little baby outfit, white w/blue trim and little animals, trying to remind myself not to hurt her, not to feel threatened by her- even though her making cupcakes as a baby was incongruous.

Then she stepped away, started playing with the dog, loudly, banging doors, making a big ruckus and my husband came home at the same moment. I had to raise my voice, finally, the best I could do without saying things I’d regret, and tell her that I really needed her to quiet down and get a measuring cup of water, right now, quietly, and stop banging around. That was very very close to a complete screaming fit…. It’s terrible how out of control I feel. It’s been several minutes, and I still feel it, my chest is full of rage. I know it’s completely out of proportion.
 
Hi Leah!

It seems from what you have said before that this must be enormous progress! You sound like you were self aware. That you used techniques to try to dissipate the anger. And although you did raise your voice you did control what you said. :) So huge credit to you. Yes you raised raised your voice but Rome was not built in a day.

I may not be that much help as my anger tends to be focused inwards but thinking about other emotions I had little awareness or control of I thought of the following. Please feel free to ignore if not useful. What does mess symbolise? Is there any history of mess that connects to trauma or your family for you? Can you think of anything else that could connect to the past in that moment of fury? What does it mean if she is messy? What does it mean if you have to clean up her mess? What does a good or worthy child look like?

I also wondered how you are with being assertive in general and expressing when you are upset or offended by things. Even if you feel you are over reacting sometimes. I don't mean with your daughter necessarily as that would often not be appropriate, but in general.

I did not experience anger or so I thought and so I also had a problem with anger. They are two sides of the same coin. My sister is opposite to me. Mine was expressed through self harm and anorexia/bulimia etc and it was only through developing self awareness and assertiveness that the whole thing improved. It was frightening to feel anger properly.

And that made me think of something else too. What does anger symbolise to you? Is it power or lack of power? Does it make you feel protected or the opposite? Do you feel you have to do something with anger or what is your perception of it?

I find anger almost intolerable as a feeling. I hate it. I have had to work on accepting it and seeing as a healthy part of living. That has helped me a lot.
 
Thank you so much for replying. I really appreciate your time. Sigh, I guess it is progress. I am finding that I'm actually not very happy even when I control my temper, because then I'm stuck, for a much longer time, with all of the "high alert" anxious, stressed, angry, tumultuous feelings that go away faster if I just blow up. I am glad for the progress, but it's hard.

Is there any history of mess that connects to trauma or your family for you? Can you think of anything else that could connect to the past in that moment of fury?

Yeah, messes pretty much remind me of my mother, who can not tolerate them. I was explaining an example like this to my therapist the other day, when my daughter's room wasn't clean, and I was feeling pressure about it and got upset. She asked what my mother would have thought, to see my daughter's room, and right away, I burst out, that my mom would have wanted to burn it down. My mother is an unpredictable woman, emotionally unstable, with some other problems, and anger was something she got to express and I tried not to, because I would pay for it. My stepmother was not great with anger either. I've explained my perception of rage as something that is only for the strong, that when I was a child, rage was for the grownups, and we children had to control ourselves because the grownups couldn't. It's tough to talk about, sigh, but... it's part of where I am with anger- hating myself when I have outbursts, but knowing that some small part of me learned from my family that it was my right to be unreasonable, my right to be destructive in my anger, because that's what mothers get to do. It is horrible, I hate myself for that feeling- of course I absolutely don't actually believe I deserve to have these outbursts, but when I'm triggered, and stressed, and not rational, but just regressed back into those lessons I learned as a child... that's part of my reality as far as anger, though not all of it, but I'm working SO SO SO hard to fix it. I always know better before and after, but in the moment, I've lost control, so, sigh, that's it in a nutshell.

Does it make you feel protected or the opposite?

Let me differentiate between more typical anger and angry outbursts, here. Normal anger may make me feel a little scared, if someone else expresses it, but I'm fairly comfortable being angry to a certain point. Not completely, but... manageably. But the outbursts, where I feel full of rage and completely out of control, those are terrible for me. I wish I were dead when I lose control like that. I tell my therapist, that kind of anger is really fear, with teeth. It's me, feeling deeply threatened, and fighting back in the only way that I know instinctively, in that triggered moment- by using the same overwhelming, screaming, cruel anger to make the situation stop that I remember from my childhood. And that's only part of it really, it's complicated for me, something I'm very much still working through. It's very bad.

I also wondered how you are with being assertive in general and expressing when you are upset or offended

In many cases, I can manage to be mildly angry, and I'm pretty good at assertive, at least, good enough, at work, school, etc. I respect anger, understand it's necessary and useful, and in some cases I can express it much more normally. It's just defusing my triggers that's really the issue.
 
where I feel full of rage and completely out of control, those are terrible for me. I wish I were dead when I lose control like that. I tell my therapist, that kind of anger is really fear, with teeth. It's me, feeling deeply threatened, and fighting back in the only way that I know instinctively, in that triggered moment- by using the same overwhelming, screaming, cruel anger to make the situation stop that I remember from my childhood. And that's only part of it really,
I identify totally. When I'm really angry I'm completely in control to the point of appearing calm. My rages are nothing but fear.
 
Just happened upon this in my notes as posted it for someone else and I thought you may find it worth reading Leah. Link Removed

Shall still come back. A little unwell tonight.
 
Abstract, thank you once again for your thoughtfulness. I'm having trouble with displaying the document, system issue on my end I think, but will try it again tomorrow. It's been quite a long day, trigger, trigger, trigger, sigh. But, progress is definitely present, and I can almost sense some light at the end of this dark ptsd tunnel. I hope you feel better soon.
 
Sorry you are hitting so many triggers at present. It is horrid. I hope things settle a bit.

I'm actually not very happy even when I control my temper,
I think this must be important part of it and can understand it must be an adjustment when you are used to blowing up and venting it. It is horrible dealing with it over a long time but I guess remembering that expressing it on something or someone that really doesnt have anything to do with origins can only lead to more pain long time might help a little. The only way we deal with emotions long term is if we put them in the right places and know what they are about. Thats what I have found for me anyway and it seems thats what you are saying too.

I hate that feeling of holding rage without doing anything destructive. My choice of destructive was different to yours but I think the underlying stuff is still the same. Radical acceptance helped me tolerate the awful feelings more but it is hard.

I am so sorry about your mother and step mother. It is no wonder you have problems with anger. :(
perception of rage as something that is only for the strong, that when I was a child, rage was for the grownups, and we children had to control ourselves because the grownups couldn't
This seems like an amazing insight.

If I break it down then I am thinking that anger therefore = strength/power and adulthood and therefore its possible that sadness and fear might = weakness and littleness/childhood. ? If that is the case then are you able to see past all of that cognitively or is that hard because of the past?

I hate myself for that feeling-
I'm working SO SO SO hard to fix it.
I hope you can find some self compassion for this.

I wish I were dead when I lose control like that.
by using the same overwhelming, screaming, cruel anger to make the situation stop that I remember from my childhood. And that's only part of it really, it's complicated for me, something I'm very much still working through. It's very bad
I am sorry. I understand what you mean about normal emotion and triggered emotion. I am still trying to figure out things for myself and it is still confusing but with some things there is an intensity that is truly frightening.

What do you think you need in the moment like that?

On a purely superficial and practical level I saw a documentary where they were helping a mother that had been bullied by her mother in childhood to do with cleanliness and neatness and was struggling with similar dynamics with her toddler. The psychologist had the mother do messy play projects with the child. Very messy ones and she was not allowed to try to wipe or clean anything during. To build up her tolerance and desensitise. May not help but I thought I would share!
 
remembering that expressing it on something or someone that really doesnt have anything to do with origins can only lead to more pain long time might help a little

Abstract, thank you again. I appreciate the gift you have, of mirroring my concerns for me. You're 100% correct, I agree completely, that it's far better for me to feel miserable and live with that for an hour while my symptoms abate, than to yell at my daughter for a few minutes. I would always rather be hurt than hurt her. It's just hard, but I know it's the right choice, and I'm trying to work through my tough feelings in therapy. It's just gonna take a while. :(



sadness and fear might = weakness and littleness/childhood. ? If that is the case then are you able to see past all of that cognitively or is that hard because of the past?

I'm not quite clear on this point. When I was little, I did feel afraid, but I couldn't do anything about it, so I learned the freeze response, to hide all my emotions, and try to be stoic. I learned dissociation too, the hard way. I just learned anger was dangerous, and I guess I squirreled mine away somewhere, deep, and it's leaking out now in different ways. It's hard, when I was little, I felt hopeless and trapped sometimes, not anger so much, so... I'm definitely struggling with all this now.
 
It's just gonna take a while.
Sadly it is Leah. But you are making progress and show much self awareness!

hat it's far better for me to feel miserable and live with that for an hour while my symptoms abate,
I think there is even more to this stuff than how it affects others (such as your daughter). When we express the past feelings in the present at things that really have nothing to do with the source I think we harm ourselves and our lives and it keeps us stuck. Its like a dead end where we go around and around in a loop. And often it heaps extra shame and self hatred on top of things too.

So it may feel like a quick fix but really it isn't.

guess I squirreled mine away somewhere, deep, and it's leaking out now in different ways. It's hard, when I was little, I felt hopeless and trapped sometimes, not anger so much, so
I think that is sooo understandable! I think many, many of us would relate. It seems you are saying you were not allowed it then and it is stored inside you.
 
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