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Opinions On Pete Walker's Complex Ptsd Book

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Getting a lot out of reading this discussion. And thinking I will add Heller's book to my reading queue.

@Chava, some other time I'm curious to get your thoughts on a book I picked up that has to do with chakras as they relate to stages of development. Not gonna post it here as seems somewhat off-topic. But relates to some of what you wrote about structural changes in development, neuroplasticity, and such. I have a pretty high tolerance for outside the box stuff (chakras are to me a completely valid way of looking at physiology), but then some stuff is harder to integrate with more mainstream, peer-reviewed science relating to CPTSD or developmental issues.
 
Thanks for everyone posting their thoughts on this, it's helped me figure out my issue with this book. My sense is that Pete Walker takes his own experience and has tried to build a theory of cptsd around it - so has generalised his experience and applied it to everyone who has experienced developmental trauma.

There are certainly parts of his experience that I recognise in myself but he doesn't seem to draw too much from other theorists or have a lot of research backing. He also doesn't seem to recognise other types of complex trauma beyond childhood abuse and I fear he pathologists what could be described as fairly normal misattunment between parents and children. I also struggle with his very emotive use of language which feels very different to other texts I've read - and as a trainee T, I've read a lot!

I know people have found his writing useful, I guess it's just not for me.
 
I'm curious to get your thoughts on a book I picked up that has to do with chakras as they relate to stages of development

Personally, I know almost nothing about chakras and am not terribly interested in that perspective. But you could create a thread and I'm sure people would respond because I know that framework does resonate with others. If they relate to energy centers, as you learn about the nervous system you mind find a connection that is helpful to you. Really I have a lot of lung/heart issues, sensations, and supposedly related chakra manifestations. But the chakra approach is too weak for me and, for me, I just can't muddle around with too many things....like I focus on therapy and certain resources for the trauma stuff. Other people are better at conjoining systems though.

Also, my heart/lung stuff relates to my trauma...and that's also the area where we feel the vagus nerve as sort of "on" or "off"...so like potential for warm fuzzies and connection vs disconnection and shutdown. I do feel sometimes how I can reactivate it a bit. Sometimes it's feeling very quivery in there when I'm confused...like in therapy and "safe" but not feeling sure of it in my body. Other times it feels like I can't even hold myself up because I feel myself collapsing in my mid-section. In the rare moments when I feel safe and connected I feel like warm stream in there that actually correlates with the path of the vagus nerve {"social engagement system" which shuts down in face of chronic trauma}. But that's kind of another topic for another day.

he doesn't seem to draw too much from other theorists or have a lot of research backing

Yes, that would tip it a little more towards a self-help book than a theoretical one (with resources based on the more solid theoretical basis).

I fear he pathologists what could be described as fairly normal misattunment between parents and children

Yeah, that's not okay. Nobody on earth had perfect parents. Thank god we don't all have PTSD. What I generally see in working with kids is that good parents can be misattuned. The kids seem more anxious in some ways. Is that a perfect correlation? No. Is anxiety the same as PTSD? No. It's a big spectrum. Misattunement to a degree does not equal CPTSD. Makes no sense. Chronic neglect, shutting a kid out and ignoring them, or making contact primarily through abuse? That would be more obvious. But I know a lot of busy, imperfect parents who love their kids, keep them safe, take care of them, but aren't in perfect attunement all the time.

I wonder here too if the focus is more on emotional feelings, whereas trauma really dysregulates the nervous system. You can have low self-esteem from shitty parents, or anxiety, without having PTSD...and thank god, because that would be easier to treat. Personally, I don't feel my self-esteem is all f*cked up. Probably I just lack for self or am too generally disconnected to have a feeling about myself. I simply feel like slicing myself up when overwhelmed and I prefer avoiding humans when I leave work. But there is probably some personality preferences here. I am much more a "thinking" type than a "feeling" type.

Good point there @Suzetig . Maybe he meant to write a broad overview but the angle was too personal? I tend to dislike books with that tone...prefer perspective of lacking (unobvious) personal connection. Heller's and Van der Kolk's books are like that. Van der Kolk's is piecey and broad, but at least longer chapters that are well-focused on a theme and backed by connections to a lot of research. Heller also talks about attunement, but I didn't read that part much because the main focus of his book was very basic disconnection created in first months/years of life. Of course my mom was misattuned. But my issues were before and also beyond that. She misattuned to my siblings and they aren't out there destroying themselves. They are somewhat hermit-like, but they manage to keep more basically regulated.

The attunement phase is a little later than basic connection (initial ability to attach) and I sometimes wonder if there is more of a connection between that (like years 1-5) and symptoms that are more like borderline. Or not...just something I wondered. But really terrible and chronic misattunement or unpredictability (ex. mom is an addict) can wreak havoc on emotional regulation, for sure (so more severe emotional regulation issues, not as severe fight/flight/freeze and dissociation...???). I don't even want to connect really. But when I do, it's painful to even try. I never felt that other people need to regulate me, or could even help, because I withdrew so early and felt better, apparently, shutting down.
 
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As a side note: Heller was not talking about PTSD but specifically developmental trauma (nothing happening in the DSM there yet). You can have both. But you could have developmental trauma and not regular PTSD (like might show up in adulthood more as social isolation, personality disorders, dissociation, all kinds of other issues). But his model more combined early trauma and symptoms that often fall under attachment disorders. It's not a book for everyone, but I relate to it because of my own background and I like how he explained it all from a neurophysiological level (like there is nothing wrong with my thinking or emotions, even if they partly go along for the ride at times!)

Probably Van der Kolk's book would be the closest and most thorough examination of complex trauma (covers PTSD singular, complex and developmental). But he uses a shitload of research, including neuroimaging of brains that respond to trauma through freeze or dissociation and brains that respond through fight-flight (amazing difference)...with freeze response being more often connected to having previously gone that route as a more helpless child. Basically the approach is a focus on the neurophysiology of trauma, which has been so helpful for me.

If Walker's book helps others because of its approach, I do think that's great. So I have little business slamming it. Just sounds like a book that I wouldn't appreciate, which I suppose re-validates theories and approaches to complex trauma that make sense to me.
 
I don't think your slamming it, it's definitely horses for courses and the book doesn't suit you (or me for that matter). For an issue as complex as trauma there are surprisingly few key theorists out there. I also like Babette Rothschild and Stephen Joseph from a somatic experiencing and post traumatic growth point of view respectively.
 
Chava, yes I may post that thread some day. I get what you're saying about muddling with too many frameworks. But I bet you'd be interested in this book, maybe I'll tag you if I ever post and remember :) Just fyi, I got my undergrad in psych/pre-med. I'm not coming at this stuff from more esoteric/Eastern stuff, it's more the other way around, as I found alternate systems that seem better at bigger picture realities. That said, I find this thread fascinating because you're covering some areas of research in much more detail than I've read since college (and since getting my own better diagnoses to be focusing on [C]PTSD at all.) Really interesting stuff, learning a lot from reading. Appreciate your analysis. And on the thread topic, sounds like I would also not like Pete Walker's book. I tend to dislike sources that focus on their own experience and fail to even acknowledge which part of that is widely accepted and which part is their own pet theory.
 
@Jemini ...right, and I'm not slamming chakras either, btw... but with your background, if you haven't read Van Der Kolk's book, "The Body Keeps the Score", definitely look into it. He cites a shitload of studies.

If you have early trauma, I also really like Heller's book that I mentioned ("Healing Developmental Trauma") and Sebern Fisher's book, "Neurofeedback in the Treatment of Developmental Trauma." If you have developmental trauma, Fisher's book is f*cking fantastic!!! I'm not a scientist, therapist, and nor is neurofeedback even an option for me. But Fisher sets it up with really spending at least half the book describing what happens to the brain of a child who is traumatized at a young age (and worse if environment/parents are chronic source of trauma). It's real science, but figuring out how to perfectly combine neurofeedback with other forms of therapy (does not discount need for talk therapy, etc), is definitely all exploratory right now, but she's has good success combining neurofeedback with talk and behavioral components of trauma therapy.

What was most fascinating was the validation of the global array of symptoms and really how the young brain gets wired or structured through trauma. It's not as simple as trying to change our thoughts, beliefs, or use the right affirmations or eat the right food, etc. It's neuroscience, not self help. That being said, it's not very hard to read, so I think great for therapists, scientists, trauma specialists, and really sufferers. I felt very validated and inspired reading it. While neurofeedback isn't an option where I'm at, I do think the somatic approach I'm working with it the next best thing...a gradual approach to "rewiring" my trauma brain and also slowly trying to work on damaged attachment circuits.
 
I'm actually pretty excited to read Van Der Kolk. Been in an open tab for a while now :rolleyes: Maybe my experience with the JRI (his clinic) has put me off some, but it looks and sounds like a great book. I also have a lot of similar background as you it sounds like, so the Heller title is probably going to be next on my non-fiction list. Just wish I knew how to ground enough to get my reading attention span back. That's the irony. Like, I wish these books came in yoga form.
 
ps I did neurofeedback and it was okay. The chakra stuff is relevant for me because it specifically gets into things we need to do that are *not* all about mentally understanding things. And I have had direct experience with chakra work (mostly Dahn Yoga) to at least now experientially how much it heals/transforms, just as you are describing. But, in fairness, your teachers are cult members when you go that route, and often don't have the scientific framework to advise why it is working, or how to avoid bleeding your wallet dry and moving to Sedona. There is no perfect solution.
 
Coming across pete walkers website was positively life changing for me. Felt like he explained my behaviour to me in a way that helped me make sense of what had seemed frightening shameful terrifying and humiliating. And my fault.. I had been feeling huge amounts of shame. Was in a LOAT of pain,

I relate as having developmental trauma rather than shock traumas. A couple of years after finding his website, I bought and read his book. It's really badly written, very repetitive. And I don't remember finding much if any new information that isn't already on his website.
 
@Suzetig wanted to ask you about Stephen Joseph? Tried looking him up on amazon - only found a book - what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.. is that him?
 
Yes, that's him and that's probably his most accessible writing. He does a lot of work with post traumatic growth (so possibly not for you if you're in that "the world is ending" place). He also has done more formal text books which address trauma from the person centred perspective which is what I'm studying, hence my interest in him, his text books are heavier going but very interesting.
 
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