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Overcoming The "reptilian Brain"

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Could I recommend two reads? Post Traumatic Stress Disorder: What Happens in the Brain - authors Howard and Crandall. It's an abstract you can Google.

This is the very article that got me thinking about this. I've quoted below a couple of passages from it. The first paragraph seems to me to sum up what I experience over and over. I see danger in so many situations that aren't dangerous to others. I'm also aware that before the onset of my "acute" PTSD, I used to take risks that others thought unreasonable - I suppose because I was suppressing my whole sense of danger.

"Without the ability to access the cool, cognitive solutions, the PTSD sufferer is unable to check the safety of a current event, cannot distinguish danger from safety. Current, safe events trigger flashbacks and other strange memory or emotional signals. So the brain keeps retriggering itself all over again into the hyper-alert state. Each new challenge and event is as dangerous as the last. This phenomenon is sometimes known as sensitization. "

"There is a special and sad vulnerability for children……..
Trauma can push this alert state to such extremes that there is damage to the brain cells (PTSD). If the child stays this way for an extended time, then memories that might have become long term (and therefore retrievable later to the adult brain) are never connected. She loses her memory of childhood. And she never fully builds an integrated personality…..
The painful future, the misunderstandings to come, the failures and confusions, these will all make little sense to them. They think that their brain is operating the same way that everyone else’s brain does. They think they have the same genetic templates and the same completed personality. They do not understand why they have problems. "

Link Removed pp15-16

The second paragraph I didn't really notice the first time I read this article, and is going to need more thought. I'm certainly aware that I have very few memories of my childhood, and that almost all I do have are textural or visual - the feel of mud, the pattern of my bedroom curtains, rather than events. I've also long thought that my brain doesn't work like those of other people, but I'd attributed that to considerable social isolation as a child. However, that amy be off topic for this thread.
 
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I don't know if the survival brain gets stuck permanently or semi-permanently in the Danger - On position like a jammed machine so that adrenalin, etc. floods the system regardless of memory fragments that are processed - say thru Somatic Therapy such that they do get filed away in the Emergency Event Over and Done and Resolved Storage Memory Bank.

It seems implied sometimes that the limbic system gets permanently damaged. But how can we know this is so without a brain scan. And how do we know it cannot be healed somehow someday until we are dead and gone and it's all over.

Scientists who definitively declare laws of nature or laws of physics have their findings routinely revised thru the years and centuries by others so we cannot honestly say without the sum of all knowledge that such and such is true or false.

I know our cells can change, our intercellular environment can change. So I believe our brains can change. Maybe by a near constant or consistent flooding of "anti-stress" hormones thru mindful meditation or thru consistent and regular messages thru the senses to the limbic brain that "all is well - change your course."

They told my husband his arthritis would never go away in his feet, but soaking them in vinegar nightly for a four week period dissolved the pain completely.

We don't have arthritic brains but you get my gist.

We have to be our own guinea pigs so to speak and see what works.

Just thoughts.
 
So, last week, I was at an appointment with my Psychiatrist, and my Care Co-ordinator, both of whom are lovely helpful and dependable people. There was also a trainee, who was just observing. I was desperate to escape, simply because I was "trapped" in a room with three people. I had to fight to stay in my chair and to hear why was being said. In the past I have run from exactly that situation, in that room, (though I did go back 20 minutes later). I'm assuming it was the urging from my reptilian brain that was saying " Got to run, got to hide, get away, escape". There have been other situations where I thought I was in danger and the fight response made me unproductively angry.

What I get from your experience is that you really don't want to discuss your trauma. Seriously..who does?! We all have better things to do. ;)

I believe people with PTS have an enhanced sense of danger. Higher awareness. I don't consider it a bad thing. Personally I want to keep mine. Somewhere deep in our brain we have a hardcopy of every traumatic experience we've survived. That's phenomenal. It's doing what it's designed to do. Protect us. We have three brains in one. It's very important they must function together. The problem arises if we allow one section to rule our emotions. Denying trauma we've survived is the root problem and what I assume is where everyone is saying we get stuck. I truly believe it can be channeled into greater awareness.
 
DogMom731. Sethanne Howard and Mark Crandalll.pdf pp15-16

This has no references. I'm confused as to why not - can anyone explain?

I'm surprised at the statements about physical injury to brain cells. What physical injury? It isn't described or explained. (Or referenced.)

I'm also wondering when they say things like cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) can help... how does CBT help with a physical injury?
 
how does CBT help with a physical injury
Which brings us back full circle to the question I first asked!

What I don't understand though is then how "processing trauma" fit with this brain change? Does it somehow reverse the change? Or are these two totally separate concepts that don't meet up at all?

I've been told today by a Clinical Psychologist that processing moves trauma from the front of the brain to the back, but I wonder if she was trying to say " from the forefront of your thoughts to the background".


What I get from your experience is that you really don't want to discuss your trauma
Oh, I do! I've spent a couple of years pushing to get people to let me, but they keep telling me I'm too fragile, or prioritising other issues from my past. That's why I have to try to work a lot of this stuff out by myself.
 
Which brings us back full circle to the question I first asked!

I'm not sure it does. Wasn't your first question about processing trauma? Trauma-focussed CBT or CBT exposure therapy or whatever else is CBT related, is not at all the only way to process trauma. For some of us, it wouldn't be the way to process trauma at all. For others it is. But the point is that "processing trauma" and even "dealing with (don't like to say overcoming, but "overcoming" if you must) the reptilian brain, are not necessarily connected to CBT.

I'm genuinely a bit lost. I don't really understand what the question is. If the question is how does the therapy you're having fit with the idea of the the reptilian brain, then I think you would need to say what the therapy is. I don't understand how the article you posted a link to fits in. Sorry, I'm not meaning to be difficult. You've just lost me.
 
Don't know much about reptilian brain. One of my friend was suffering from the same situation. He just don't want to listen anybody. So his psychologists Dennis Mediation Service suggested him for the meditation , I think is the best remedy to get peace and to overcome changing behavior.
 
So far as I understand it, the thing to do to get better is to process trauma. I keep being held back by therapists from doing this. I'm not fussed about what method is used for this.

Also so far as I understand it, changes in my brain make inclined to flee or freeze when faced by difficult situations (or occasionally to fight, but only when the other two are impossible)

I was asking if and how the act of processing trauma can affect the brain changes. Or if these are two separate concepts/theories, with different proponents, which means I shouldn't try to apply one to the other?
 
I have some expertise in neuroscience (though I am not an MD or a Ph.D). Part of my job is to be a sort of synthesizer of current research in several areas, including learning, social/emotional, effort/motivation, executive function, adhd, etc.).

A great deal of current brain research (based on functional MRIs and other high-tech things that allow researchers to measure physiological change) has demonstrated without doubt the neuroplasticity of the brain. This means that the brain absolutely CAN and DOES rewire itself given the right interventions over time. So yes, you absolutely should maintain hope, stenni. The trick, though, is finding the right interventions, and that is so very confusing for people like us because there is no magic bullet (although everyone seems to be grasping at EMDR as a magic bullet).

People with ptsd and cpsd especially get stuck in the fight or flight or freeze modes (or some ever-changing combination of the three) because we have difficulty balancing our sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems (parts of the autonomic nervous system) and this problem can cause all kinds of other physiological problems. Our systems need something called homeostasis to function optimally. When our nervous system is out of balance, lots of things go wrong because of hormonal changes (like cortisol, epinephrine, adrenaline, etc.). We can get nauseous, break out in sweats, shake, get overheated...any number of weird things with no apparent explanation. We cannot control these things through the mere power of thought. What we can do, though, is learn to manage our thinking about what is happening in our bodies.

See, the double-whammy is, when our physiology is out of balance (because our "reptilian brain" is stuck in trauma response), our lovely human pre-frontal cortex (the thinking/planning/analyzing/goal-setting, etc. part of the brain) goes into overdrive trying to make sense of and control our physiological experiences. This causes even more fight/flight/freeze response and sometimes (at least for me) leads into what I call the vortex or black hole that becomes a full-blown panic attack, a disabling flashback, or other combination physiological/emotional response. A bit like our brain is attacking itself.

So, the primary goal of processing any kind of stress from the regular daily stuff to massive trauma, is to stabilize--that is, to teach the body/brain what homeostasis FEELS like. There are a lot of interventions out there to help with this. I haven't found the answer yet, but they include (not an exhaustive list): mindfulness meditation; gentle trauma-sensitive yoga; most energy therapies like polarity or reiki etc.; heart rate variability training; any activity where you can be present in the moment in both body and mind...could be anything from dance to swimming to visual arts; and...any kind of total relaxation/therapeutic break from the pace and struggle of our lives--like the commercial about Malibu franciemarnie mentioned in her earlier post.

Unfortunately, (and I think I'm speaking beyond just my own experience) for those of us with cptsd who have lived our lives stuck in the fight/flight/freeze cycles, this kind of relaxation is really scary and really hard to do. It requires a sort of letting go that, at least for me, is nearly impossible except for brief moments. But if you can find even a brief moment, you know you can do it. You just need to practice...one second at a time, one breath at a time...trying to quiet all the thoughts and stories and pictures that accompany emotions and physical sensations. That's the hard part because we are so sensitized and reactive. However, it is the only way to nudge our brains into rewiring themselves.

On a more personal note, I am finding that I am really surprised when I notice myself feeling vaguely peaceful, or experience a moment of joy, or even a miserable moment that doesn't send me into flashback. It is an odd thing to notice this when I am in crisis so much of the time. And some perverse part of me doesn't think I deserve to experience these positive feelings, and some other perverse part of me tells me that if I have these feelings than the cptsd must not be real. I am trying to notice these perverse parts of me and ask them to quiet down and give me some space to feel good...however briefly. And I am trying to notice--physically, emotionally, and cognitively, what it feels like in a good moment. It feels good! I know it will not last, and that is okay...it's just part of our human condition. But these tiny little good moments are often brought about by what I'm starting to call "positive triggers." And I revisit them in my darker moments, and it helps.

Sorry for such a long post!
 
I love @Hope4Now 's summary.

Yesterday after I did a mindful meditation where I take non-judgmental note of inner sensation head to toe (after a work out because I usually cannot get my body to feel restful until I have released surplus energy that is like a feeling of literal, almost out of control, inner vibration), I asked "body-mind" (term suggested by a healer) what I could do to heal myself of PTSD that day and the response was "just feel".

And I thought how perhaps simply feeling my body in a relaxed state -regardless of the pings and buzzes and vibrations and inner movements and discomforts - and just staying in the body with acceptance and without panic, might in time send enough consistent chemical and electric messages to the reptilian brain that it could know "We are safe now." That the plasticity Hope4Now referred to would be activated or engaged, and maybe again significantly alter the brain's make up or change its M.O. as it did once so long ago. As my brain's wiring was altered so powerfully once, I don't see why it couldn't be altered again.

But how long it would take and with what combo of healing methods, I can only know by trying.

I was joking - sort of - on another thread about having a sit down with the limbic brain at a rehab spa to let it know it is acting inappropriately - though its motives are excellent - and it needs to change.

But - I add now - because that part of the brain doesn't translate language, I would have to mime the message. Or use the other senses. It has to somehow feel or sense all is well.

It would be nice if over time the reptilian brain would be bathed in so many physiological messages of balm that it would move away from the emergency panel.

The trick for me is definitely being able to sit or lay down and just feel for a while without going Arghh! Get me outta here!
 
It would be nice if over time the reptilian brain would be bathed in so many physiological messages of balm that it would move away from the emergency panel. The trick for me is definitely being able to sit or lay down and just feel for a while without going Arghh! Get me outta here!
Oh, I hear you! I have been fantasizing about taking myself to some healing spa somewhere for as long as it takes to convince my limbic system to calm down. Need to win the lottery and clone myself (in a better version) first!
 
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