Pain is not always optional or avoidable even for an adult. That is one of the reason adults turn from the faith. I am not referring to simply emotional pain.
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Pain is not always optional or avoidable even for an adult. That is one of the reason adults turn from the faith. I am not referring to simply emotional pain.
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Angus McGee
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One thought came to mind, and from all places, Dennis Miller.
he said "Without the black velvet of life's pain, how will we ever know the shining diamond of life's joy?"
IOW, in order to fully experience life's happiness, we must have experienced the contrast of life's difficulties.
Now, based on that, there's many out there who are in store for some MAJOR happy times. I hope they come soon for all of you.
he said "Without the black velvet of life's pain, how will we ever know the shining diamond of life's joy?"
IOW, in order to fully experience life's happiness, we must have experienced the contrast of life's difficulties.
Now, based on that, there's many out there who are in store for some MAJOR happy times. I hope they come soon for all of you.
I Still believe in god but no longer attend church remembering that PTSD comes with a ton of guilt and self doubt, I feel as though what I went through and how I at times handle it makes me not worthy of god! That being said to be around people that I would find judgemental (even if they are not being) is too hard! I wouldn't push your faith on her for now as it can only cause her to push back....given time and healing may find her own way back.
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Lady of Longbourn
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This is SO true! And I agree so much with it, helps see things differently now doesn't it?
My only issues is for me, its hard to tell when I am happy or just...excited or hopeful ( mostly irrationally so, comes from bipolar or adhd, they aren't sure yet). So there are times I wont let myself enjoy what I have and what makes me happy.
I think this sort of thing would apply to someone who is depressed often, like... "Happiness isn't allowed/desired, What is the cost of this happiness now?" I used to think ( sometimes still do), when something good happened, there will always be a bad thing to follow, like karma. Because God knew I couldn't stay happy for long. So bleak and depressing, right? It's awful.
I guess sometimes its hard to see the diamond even if its staring you in the face.
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Angus McGee
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My pleasure. It helps me to help others too. Sort of makes sense of the pain I, as a supporter, feel.
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Angus McGee
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That's my intent, and hope.
One of the things I've always been with my wife is honest. I promised her while we were still dating that she will only hear the truth from me, even if it's not something she wants to hear. I've never lied to her, but I have kept certain things I'm feeling and thinking to myself, especially lately.
She knows my hopes for her are to get to the point where we can rekindle our relationship, but even more than that, that her relationship with God is renewed. I believe that if that one is strengthened, the side-effect of that will be that ours will be all that much stronger too.
But, first things first. We have to get her through her EDMR treatment (by we, I mean her physically and me in spirit. She is insisting on doing that alone too), and take things from there.
The Albatross
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I was thinking about emotional pain when I wrote it... though of course you are right.
charliehotelwhiskey
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This is kind of funny. I mean not in a ha ha sense, but in the sense I am going through this issue right now. I was discussing with my therapist yesterday that I feel spiritually disconnected. Usually spiritual music washes over me and I get a feeling of a special healing love. Its almost the same feeling I get when praying alone in a church. Healing love, and spiritual peace. But since my relapse, this past April, I feel nothing at all. It is almost like I am spiritually dead. This bothers me quite a bit. My take on the whole thing that is happening is the darkness that is witin me is in control. The darkness being all things that are negative. Negative feelings, negative thoughts, negative actions, negative believes, and etc. Right now I am feeling empty. There is nothing in me. I am not at peace. I don't feel the Love. I feel nothing.
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Okradlak
About Jesus and the three hours of pain.
Consider this (let's see whether I can express it).
Jesus claims he is one and the same with God, the Eternal.
As such he actually exists outside time.
Thus, though his time on earth was thirty something of our years, he was/is existing as always, outside Time.
Jesus, therefore, if one accepts his divinity, experiences all things, at all times.
He wailed with grief for the death of a best friend, on earth (John 11).
He starved himself for five weeks, with the full power to simply *think* a feast into existence.
He was harassed everywhere he went by the people who should have supported him most, the religious leaders.
He was hunted for his life.
Mobs attempted to kill him twice.
He experienced so much stress anticipating his own coming trauma, he broke blood vessels in his face.
Plus the twenty four hours or so of torture up to his death.
In addition to this he knows every sorrow, pain, and need of everyone in Time.
All of this is eternal "now" for him. One of the names of God is simply "I AM" for this reason.
The implication, to me, is astounding. Such a God, who became truly human, therefore for the Eternal Now IS "one of us."
Iraneaus writes only fifty eight years after Christ's death (less than the time from us to World War II). The date of his work is undisputed.
He is completely convinced of The deity of Jesus. And he believes the most important thing he did was to live a human life, for exactly the reason you imply, okradlak. We can't see God. We don't relate to that spiritual stuff. And he made us that way, too!
So God is born as a real person, lives a natural human life, does nothing any other human prophet has done (that is, none of his miracles were unique or divine). "Just a slob like one of us," for real. All the way to his death.
He said, "It's finished!" just before he died. What was finished? His human life, he put the seal on the gift for us with his death.
Jesus said "I am the way" (note the I AM - Jews never used those words in his time, they'd ellipse the pronoun). But I do not believe we earn Hell Points for needing to look elsewhere.
It's interesting to compare the gospels of the Christian Bible (a good modern translation, try looking at the ESV, CEV or Holman's), and the writings of His Holiness Dali Lama.
Personally I haven't found a "yoke" as light as Christ's, but I know many people judge by religionists rather than reading his words for themselves. it's remarkable what has been added to the simple words of love there. <3
About Jesus and the three hours of pain.
Consider this (let's see whether I can express it).
Jesus claims he is one and the same with God, the Eternal.
As such he actually exists outside time.
Thus, though his time on earth was thirty something of our years, he was/is existing as always, outside Time.
Jesus, therefore, if one accepts his divinity, experiences all things, at all times.
He wailed with grief for the death of a best friend, on earth (John 11).
He starved himself for five weeks, with the full power to simply *think* a feast into existence.
He was harassed everywhere he went by the people who should have supported him most, the religious leaders.
He was hunted for his life.
Mobs attempted to kill him twice.
He experienced so much stress anticipating his own coming trauma, he broke blood vessels in his face.
Plus the twenty four hours or so of torture up to his death.
In addition to this he knows every sorrow, pain, and need of everyone in Time.
All of this is eternal "now" for him. One of the names of God is simply "I AM" for this reason.
The implication, to me, is astounding. Such a God, who became truly human, therefore for the Eternal Now IS "one of us."
Iraneaus writes only fifty eight years after Christ's death (less than the time from us to World War II). The date of his work is undisputed.
He is completely convinced of The deity of Jesus. And he believes the most important thing he did was to live a human life, for exactly the reason you imply, okradlak. We can't see God. We don't relate to that spiritual stuff. And he made us that way, too!
So God is born as a real person, lives a natural human life, does nothing any other human prophet has done (that is, none of his miracles were unique or divine). "Just a slob like one of us," for real. All the way to his death.
He said, "It's finished!" just before he died. What was finished? His human life, he put the seal on the gift for us with his death.
Jesus said "I am the way" (note the I AM - Jews never used those words in his time, they'd ellipse the pronoun). But I do not believe we earn Hell Points for needing to look elsewhere.
It's interesting to compare the gospels of the Christian Bible (a good modern translation, try looking at the ESV, CEV or Holman's), and the writings of His Holiness Dali Lama.
Personally I haven't found a "yoke" as light as Christ's, but I know many people judge by religionists rather than reading his words for themselves. it's remarkable what has been added to the simple words of love there. <3
I haven't read all of the previous posts so let me begin by apologizing if I am repeating what has already been said.
I was raised Baptist but I never really understood the whole denomination thing. I guess I've just always been one to think it doesn't matter what sect of a particular religion you belong to, just that you read the Bible, Koran, or whatever Holy book your religion has and decide for yourself. As a teenager, I was very active in my church and then as I got older, I began going less and less. I have decided church is not for me, albeit I still believe in God. I just prefer to be more introverted about it. There were some traumatic things going on at the time but I was also going to college so I think that had more to do with it than some of my trauma.
However, I can say now that I have endured more trauma and developed PTSD, my desire to be in social settings of any kind are greatly diminished. I have lost faith in people and have a hard time trusting anyone, even my best of friends. To a degree, I do sometimes wonder why this all had to happen, but it hasn't diminished my faith. Perhaps this is really what your wife is feeling. Additionally, she may think when you bring up God that all you are saying is if she just believes in God or shows Him a little more love that it will all be better. I know sometimes that is how I feel when my family or even my counselor suggest that. As much as I love God, I know that people sometimes fail us, and that it's not gonna fix everything to just have a little more faith. There's a lot more to it. One last thought, those of us with PTSD, often simply lose interest in things that used to bring us great joy. It's hard for others to understand that. Heck, it's hard for me to understand it but it happens. I would imagine that the loss of interest and the difficulty trusting others could lead someone to totally lose their faith in a Higher Power.
I was raised Baptist but I never really understood the whole denomination thing. I guess I've just always been one to think it doesn't matter what sect of a particular religion you belong to, just that you read the Bible, Koran, or whatever Holy book your religion has and decide for yourself. As a teenager, I was very active in my church and then as I got older, I began going less and less. I have decided church is not for me, albeit I still believe in God. I just prefer to be more introverted about it. There were some traumatic things going on at the time but I was also going to college so I think that had more to do with it than some of my trauma.
However, I can say now that I have endured more trauma and developed PTSD, my desire to be in social settings of any kind are greatly diminished. I have lost faith in people and have a hard time trusting anyone, even my best of friends. To a degree, I do sometimes wonder why this all had to happen, but it hasn't diminished my faith. Perhaps this is really what your wife is feeling. Additionally, she may think when you bring up God that all you are saying is if she just believes in God or shows Him a little more love that it will all be better. I know sometimes that is how I feel when my family or even my counselor suggest that. As much as I love God, I know that people sometimes fail us, and that it's not gonna fix everything to just have a little more faith. There's a lot more to it. One last thought, those of us with PTSD, often simply lose interest in things that used to bring us great joy. It's hard for others to understand that. Heck, it's hard for me to understand it but it happens. I would imagine that the loss of interest and the difficulty trusting others could lead someone to totally lose their faith in a Higher Power.
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Angus McGee
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Wow...
I am truly amazed at all the comments. I'm at work right now, and things are pretty hectic at home. I very much look forward to the time when I can sit and process all these great posts.
Keep 'em comin'!!
I am truly amazed at all the comments. I'm at work right now, and things are pretty hectic at home. I very much look forward to the time when I can sit and process all these great posts.
Keep 'em comin'!!
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