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So sufferers can't even send a simple text to say need some time away? Or something similar? Not anything at all?

And is isolating different from a shut out? Meaning, if you're isolating I take that as you can't deal with anyone. But a shut out seems more exclusive to me as a partner.

You're dealing with people at work and others who you have to deal with. But me...not a word!
 
How about this - a PTSD sufferer starts needing to isolate. Doesn't tell partner anything, just leaves. IF the sufferer knew before hand that isolation might be an issue in the future (IE, it's happened before), then yes, they might want to let their partner know it might happen, and not to take it personally. Almost impossible to do, because a relationship is about two people. It's hard not to take it personally. But being warned ahead of time at least makes it less of a mystery.

If it's the first time, sufferer had no idea, I would imagine that's a different situation. At that point, PTSD partner disappears, I'm pretty sure it's less an issue of "shit he left me," and more of a "shit, he's missing, call someone to help find him." Once the emergency (because a missing person is) is over, THEN it's time to figure it out. Or, if PTSD is a known issue (and supporter did their homework), they might tell themselves "Shit. Isolating. I hope he's ok." And then figure out how to deal with their OWN shit, on, oh, say, a forum like this. If/when PTSD partner comes home, THEN the talks can happen. There is also a difference between a flashback, where the sufferer doesn't even know what they're doing (more a "missing person" scenario), and "just" isolating, where they can't deal with any more stress, good or bad, but are still able to function (and go to work, and talk to other people, just not their partners).

When PTSD is new - no one knows what to expect. Those of us who are sympathetic know that. Hell, when PTSD isn't new, no one is still quite sure what to expect.

I guess my point is this - PTSD tells you everyone else is a danger. If you can't get past that, to the point where you can at least WARN your partner that you have it, and they need to research it, and here's what you've been dealing with that may affect the other person...you may need to figure out if you're really ready for a relationship. Because, seriously, relationships involve two people (or more, hey), both (all) of whom need to feel safe. If there is any hope for a relationship to work out, communication has to happen. And if PTSD (or its diagnosis) is new, in an already established relationship, trust may be physically impossible for the sufferer, and I'm not sure I HAVE an answer for that, beyond to keep communicating. BOTH people have to do what they can to learn everything they can, and figure out what to do. And, yes, the supporter needs to figure out if they can be in a relationship that may be one-sided a lot of the time. That's on us, as supporters.

I'm sure now I have to touch on "casual" relationships/dating and the human contact we all need. Be clear from the get go. You don't need to divulge your medical history, but do warn them that you aren't looking for anything serious. And if you think you might be getting serious, start communicating. Be firm with your OWN boundaries, too. If you don't want, or can't do, all the scary shit, like trust and emotions and love and anger and happiness, that goes with a relationship, then don't do it. And if you think you want to try, then be honest with your new partner.

I guess my overall point is this: A relationship without trust, is almost impossible and will require more work than I think any of us realize. It's physically impossible for you to trust someone? If you want to have a relationship, you need to figure out how to account for that. If you can't do that, then, no, don't expect any sort of good or healthy relationship to be available to you. Sufferers push those closest to them away the hardest, because we are the most "dangerous." If you're in a place that you recognize that, then you need to account for that. We supporters know it, and in an ideal world, won't need a text to tell us you're still out there; but it's not an ideal world and there are such things as, oh, car accidents. If you're in a place where you just need to be alone, we will understand. If you disappear entirely and physically can't reach out, I'm guessing your PTSD isn't as under control as you think, and we'll figure it out when you come back to us, after we verify you aren't dead in a ditch.

We, as supporters, are generally more than happy to figure out how to pull twice our weight to make things work. We forgive things that in a "normal" relationship shouldn't be forgiven, sometimes while knowing it could end just like that because our beloved's amygdala was hijacked again, and there's not a damn thing we can do about it. For "normal" relationships, love can be enough. In PTSD relationships? Love just isn't enough.

To address the OP: The confusion I see on these forums comes from people who are new to the PTSD gig - either because the relationship is new, or the PTSD is new, or the symptom is new, or even the diagnosis is new. There is pain as well, but a lot of confusion. For those of us who have, one way or another, been living with it, we come here to have someplace to vent. We want to understand, we don't want our loved ones to hurt. And, hey, maybe there are some who just haven't done their research. Or we have, and the symptoms are so shocking, we didn't know to expect THAT. So we come here to see if it's normal, and to talk about how it hurts, because we can't talk to our sufferers about it.
 
Supporter here. A common theme I see across these threads is how PTSD is not an excuse to treat a partner poorly and blah blah on the one hand. YET, on the other hand, as the OP so sweetly expressed in their original post, we get the frequent reminder that symptoms of PTSD include lashing out and/or disappearing without notice--hence treating people poorly-- but we ought to just "get over ourselves". Those two schools of thought are diametrically opposed to one another. So which is it? Cause. Ya. Can't. Have. It. Both. Ways. Holy mind screw to all these people doing their darndest to navigate the treacherous waters of a disease even science doesn't fully comprehend yet, carrying the ones they love on their freaking backs. Up a mountain. Covered in snow. Supporters: Chin up. You're all my damn heroes.
 
I know it is confusing for sufferers so I will do my best to explain.

Before I found this site I didn't understand that half of my symptoms were PTSD. Sure, I had the diagnosis and understood why I was diagnosed with PTSD but the professionals did a piss poor job explaining it to me. I had no clue why there were times I just could not bring myself to return my closest friends call. I just physically couldn't pick up the phone and then when I got in my first post PTSD relationship, I didn't understand why 6 weeks no contact seemed perfectly normal. Sure I would chat with friends especially on-line but a relationship is totally different. In fact, time flew by so quickly it never felt like 6 weeks, more like a single weekend.

By the time I got in my current relationship, I thought I had all of my symptoms under control and I was madly in love. Love would win the day right? Well when he moved in with me and once the honeymoon period began to fade I realized I needed more and more alone time to keep my stress and anxiety under control.

Then I had a major trigger when my abuser found out I was getting remarried. He had his friend take a baseball bat to my husbands car. massive downward spiral. I did the only thing I could do. The thing is, my online gaming friends would have never known anything was wrong. That illusion of normalcy in that little area of my life helped me escape from what was going on around me. Facing up to my husband especially after I inadvertently pulled him into a dangerous situation along with symptoms that I THOUGHT I had under control, while he was smothering me with understanding? Way to f*cking much for my system to handle. Until you have been there trying to physically force yourself to make contact but even the thought of doing so causes you so much anxiety, you are going to choose the least painful way in that very moment because you can't think past the pain. All you can think of is getting through that very moment and relief from the panic and flashbacks. Putting the thought of contacting someone out of your mind and focusing on something totally mind numbing might be your only saving grace in that moment.

Shut outs and isolation are the same thing, but it is not back and white. there many different levels of severity.

I have lashed out but it usually only comes when he won't leave me alone and I can't get the space I need to calm myself down. Lashing out is one thing. When I lash out I do not say anything to intentionally hurt him. I may something that hurts him unintentionally but if something crosses my mind to say that I think might cause him pain, I just can't even go there. I have tried. I just can't. So I guess what I am trying to say is that verbal abuse is totally different than lashing out and it is the verbal abuse that supporters should not take. If they say something intentionally to hurt you and it is clear that their aim when they said that was to cause you pain, then that IS abuse and no, you should not take it.

I am guilty of making empty threats to get him to back off. I do/have (been a very long time) broken non sentimental and monetarily easy to replace items. I have even destroyed my books and and clothing. I have threatened but will never act on destroying his stuff, but that is usually a desperate attempt to get him to give me space as I am not in a position I can just up and stay somewhere else right now. That is how I lash out, so I am far from perfect, but to say something know will cause him emotional harm? I can't do that.

There are a couple of supporters that clearly seem to be the victim of D.V. PTSD involvement or not.

Cheating, I see so many supporters on here whose partner cheats. That is NOT a part of PTSD period.

Yes, I do see behaviors that supporters complain about that I do think is abusive and sometimes ptsd related but often it's not. I guess I just don't see disappearing as treating someone poorly if they know you have PTSD. I have also seen people tell supporters that their partner was being abusive when I didn't agree that was the case. In those cases where I disagreed with the assessment, I can usually find something in the supporters history that explain the sufferers behavior, but people responding haven't read that supporters previous posts. I can think of at least two occasions (not recently) where the supporters behavior as down right stalker (aka she has been in the bathroom for 5 whole minutes and I am getting anxious being apart from her that long) type post. For the record that example was not taken from this site but a situation I did witness where the person felt justified because people were telling him that her lashing out was abusive, but I have seen a small few posts like that here in the past.

I just do not see isolation as like many supporters here do because I don't see it as the choice on the sufferers end like supporters see it as.
 
That sounds exactly what my soon to be ex husband has said
I'm not your husband. I am a totally different person.

Because seriously, vilification, name calling, rage outbursts - those are all bad behaviors
Yup. They sure are. Couldn't agree more.

But being dealt a shitty hand in life is just something I've had to learn to live with. What's one more thing?
I wish I had left this bit out. This was rude of me to say and unfair to use such a manipulative statement in what is supposed to be a discussion. I apologise.

It only becomes questionable when he refuses to do anything to address the bad behaviors,
Personally, I isolate when I start feeling the urge to lash out.
I will always rather walk away from a partner, rather than hurl abuse at them. Maybe ones not really much better than the other, I don't know.
But it is to me. I don't like walking away or avoiding contact with the people I care about. Making them worry about me, or making them angry with me that I walked away once again.

I've lost so much from this disorder, probably more than I'll ever gain back. I'll tell you one thing for sure. I don't like the monster I can be.
Quite honestly this is how I see it and rationalise it.

If I lash out, I can and will:
  • Verbally abuse someone. Including name calling. I'll get right personal about it too. Yes. I have done this.
  • Damage property, up to and including vehicles. Which I have done. I'm deeply ashamed that I have done it. But it is the truth.
  • Drink, alot. Take risks while drinking. Drink makes the anxiety easier to deal
 
Sorry. Stupid fat fingers. Missed the auto-spell button and hit post... grr.

Where was I?

  • Drink, alot. Drinking makesthe anxiety easier to deal with. Unfortunately it also makes the first two things I mentioned easier to do.
  • Stupid risk taking is another behavour drinking leads me to do. I once picked a fight in a bar. Woke up outside with a headache, among other bumps and bruises. Next thing I know I have a cop dragging me to my feet and telling me to get lost, or be taken to cells. Also mentioned how lucky I was to have only been thrown out of the bar. I could easily have had the shit beaten out of me by the group of people I decided to pick the fight with.
Or I can leave. I can get away from the people I can't be around when I feel that way.
Leaving was a hard fought skill. It's a natural behavour for me. I had to learn to do it.

So I am sorry, but it was hard to read that a thing I worked hard to do, is blown off as being just as shitty as all horrible stuff, I can otherwise do.

The thought going through my head was quite literally "What the f*ck is the point then?".

Maybe none of this makes sense, but It hurt. I know I can't reasonably expect the world to know why I am the way I am. It's just the disembodied desperate feeling of hearing that what you struggled to learn, being dismissed as a waste of time and effort.

That's what I wanted to get off my chest. This time without the martyrdom.
 
Emif here again. I am really glad this thread is happening because it feels like this is a really honest conversation about this topic. I don't know if something this real would happen in the other forums.

Thank you all...both to the supporters and especially the sufferers. I think I have learned more about PTSD symptoms and their why in this thread than I have in all of what I have read in the other supporter forums. Again...thank you.
 
Lashing out is one thing. When I lash out I do not say anything to intentionally hurt him. I may something that hurts h...
^ The line between lashing out and verbal/emotional abuse is one that has been debated here many times and will probably continue to be debated well into the future, with no resolution or distinct answer. Personally, I think that your lashing out without saying anything intentionally hurtful is a sign that you are an aware, proactive sufferer that is strong enough to be (at least somewhat) in control during your lashing out. Whereas a sufferer who is less aware, or untreated even, may say anything to get their supporter as far away from them as they can mid-amygdala hijack, including deep, dark, hurtful things.
 
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I too am getting a lot from this thread. It started a bit iffy for me, but yes, a lot of real sharing between the sufferers and supporters. I'm a supporter and really learning a lot from the sufferers point of view. :tup:
 
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