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Role models - did/do you have one?

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I was here thinking that I never really had solid role models growing up, nor do I have them in adulthood. MacGyver doesn't count :P

T seems to think the reason I'm a good person despite my past is because I had good role models, but the more I think of it the more I realize that didn't happen.

So, I wonder if we really need role models or can we sort of understand reality by ourselves and choose who we want to be? Or is that outter behavior learning necessary for that brand of social survival?
 
I had great role models - which I think is why i didn't lose my mind and end up in a ditch somewhere. And it is why I'm always so astounded by the people on here who didn't have them. They just had to make it up as they went - and they did.
It's quite humbling.
 
MacGyver totally counts! :sneaky:

Not really joking, either.

Fair warning... the anthropologist side of me is about to step out :p

The thing is, if you want to see what children without role models become? Check out the “feral children” studies. That’s what happens when there is literally no one to pattern off of. It’s heartbreaking.

If you want to see what children whose only real / ongoing role models are other children? It’s harder to find pure examples, because they usually band together in the wake of disaster (wars, plagues, natural disaster), so there were prior role models. Or intermittent exposure to adults. Even so? You’ll mostly be looking a child gangs (even if near totally isolated, not trying to scrape out an existence in an adult world, children are violent as f*ck. Add in an adult world? It actually gets worse. Lord of the Flies was written during a time when there were a lot more groups of children raising each other from the Blitz onward)... but not always, especially not if there’s a war on. Groups of kids banding together trying to stay out of the way of armies tend to be a lot more peaceful -group dynamic wise- than kids raising themselves following, say, a natural disaster. Child soldiers fall under an entirely different paradigm, because they’re not patterning after each other, but after what the adults want them to be.

To have singular type role models you’re talking about kids raised in small families (even small clans give a wide range of role models) with no contact with the outside world. Castaways would be the best example, although there are isolated examples by choice. This is also where children raised in remote orphanages with only a small handful of adults to supervise. Eastern Europe & SE Asia still have some of these, but they’re mostly vanishing. Not the remote orphanages themselves, but their isolation from the rest of the world. Books, News, TV, phones, Internet have been creeping in at a fairly steady rate for decades right along with the aid workers or government workers or new priests, etc., who first bring them with them.

The next step up would be the small clans/tribes of people who have no contact with the outside world, or only a few members have contact. So there are a lot of different personality types to emulate, but their ideology is usually pretty uniform. Whilst the extremist groups & cults get most of the press, there are tens of thousands of tiny communities of less than 50 people... and of those a percentage either deliberately cut themselves (and their kids) off from contact news of the outside world, or technology just doesn’t go that far.

A slight jog to the right would be the clans of people driven together for a certain purpose. The child soldiers would fit into this group. So would a few other subgroups.

As soon as one moves into contact with the outside world? Countless role models to pursue. Both real and fictional. Even in the tiny communities, or far flung family units. And that’s before taking into account face to face interactions that happen in larger communities of villages with schools & teachers, sports & coaches, places of worship, friends and their families, local leaders, jobs, doctors, etc. Even if someone lives on a ranch, with just their own family? If they go away to school, they’re surrounded by face to face interaction & influence.
 
My role models were my parents and then a couple of teachers and at the age of 15 I flew away for the most of my life.

We lived in a really remote place so no real external influences from the world... We were our own little clan and we were sent to school because the LAW said so ha!! I didn't understand school and I had never seen so many people gathered in one place! All 16 of them! lol
 
hi Sietz

This is really a good question.

Maybe just throwing out there, is it possible someone in your life ( a parent or a parent level like aunt or uncle) had good qualities and that just seeped into you and you are not even aware of/

For me, I had my mom's aunt. She loved me so much and I did when I was about 4 to 5 yrs. I loved her. I felt her love. and my life today is similar to hers.
also my dad was not around emotionally growing up but rather than recording this as abandonment, I recorded as when I grow up, I will go wherever dad goes to hide from mommy. Because mommy was crazy!
so his abandonment became my escape! and guess what...as soon as I turned 18...I ran away like daddy! because I could! LOL

My point is the role model for me is not so much a person but experiences that instilled huge building blocks for my resilience and GRIT!
 
I relate Sietz,
Leaving aside the anthropology ? and taking your question as: a person in your life that you respect, who is healthy in their behaviour and how they interact with the world and themselves. Ideally who also cares about you and modals healthy loving behaviour.

My father kept us very isolated so that gave less opportunity for interaction. There were no adults in my life that took an interest in me and were healthy. In fact no one spoke to me much at all. I seldom spoke to them. There was one teacher for a month when I was 12 who was looking like a possibility before she left.

I guess I took aspects of behaviour (there are usually good parts) and in other cases looked at what I didn't like and tried to do the opposite. Did the opposite thing a lot with my father. An unconscious process. In retrospect I wish I had a teacher that had been a little bit interested and interesting.
 
I've been diving into learning as a psychological concept.
It's actually pretty interesting, Pavlov realized there is a stimulus and a response to that stimulus. Obviously it's much more complex than it being that simple, there's a lot of stimuli and varied responses. But in simple terms, Pavlov was right.

When we're kids we're absorbing the entire reality around us, developing our mechanisms and dextrity in all-things-life right?
There's a lot to be said about adequate role models in our lives, particularly in terms of parenting, but there are a lot more stimuli we were subjected to growing up than simply our parents.

Enlightening stuff, also, your responses.
@blackemerald1 and @intothelight, I realized I had some adequate role models too, actually. Was tunnel-visioning it when I wrote this post.
 
I suffered deep moral injury and dismantling of my core belief system, so a number of pre-trauma role models have become ashes and in their place, new ones have grown of all the remarkably courageous, caring, sharing, accepting, brother and sister warriors I discover and get to know, whether built of blood and bone or gigabytes: the injured and damaged, the marginalized and those fallen through the cracks; addicted, impoverished, the crazy; the Survivors, the advocates; the supporters of cause and the givers of alms. I believe it is through all of them, members of this group included, that my trek to healing will be blessed.
 
I essentially did what my mom did and found a narcissist abuser so that was a role model lol. And she’s a good person, I don’t know she has positive traits. Everyone in my family has some positive traits, as dysfunctional as they are. But positive ones, my brother was a huge influence on me. My friend’s parents, especially a woman who kept her maiden name and was an artist. She had a huge impact on me as a kid. I loved the relationship she had with her husband. They were both incredible people. I loved their house, it was like a real home. I don’t think I’ve ever experienced a home that I wanted until them, and until watching families on TV. Same with my best friend’s mom, I loved her. She was vibrant and kind and hilarious and used humor to help her kids get through. Her husband was not good though. Not a good guy but none of them talk to him anymore I don’t think. My uncle’s eventual wife my aunt has been a good role model, although she’s got issues but she works on them. She’s a free spirit, independent, strong. Hard working too.

My dad refused to let us see my moms family for a big gap in our childhood but I love her brother and sister in laws relationship. They’re also into the same political beliefs I am and are activists in their communities which has been inspiring. I love how they’ve raised their kids to be independent (unlike my parents who raised us to be dependent on them bc of their issues). Their house is like home. I’m very lucky we’re all close again, I talk to them all the time.

From television, Avatar the Last Airbender was a big influence hahaha. I wanted Uncle Iroh to be my uncle lol. And more recently, the Foster-Adams family on the Fosters showed me wow, okay I could have a family too and it be good. I don’t remember another show that shows lesbians with a family like that that isn’t dysfunctional (thanks Bette and Tina). Lots of free form show families showed me how I want to be I guess.
 
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