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Zero vitriol.

You’re a pastor?

How would you counsel your parishioners to protect their children?

It’s only about a 1000% different counselling vs living, so I know it’s a record screech / mind f*ck.

Serious, though. Should the military spouse despair to their children how abandoned they are during a normal deployment? The spouse of a cancer patient tell their children how much their mom loves cigarettes more than them, and that’s why they’re dying, because they hate their kids? A stay at home parent with a broken arm is laaaaaazy for asking for help with dishes?

In a TWO parent partnership… if your kids are bereft… because ONE parent is suffering? It’s. Because. The. Other. Parent. is lashing out all their stress/pain/fear/rage/hiry/heartbreak AT their kids. Instead of comforting & relieving & empowering them.

Which is normal. As pain & hatred & vileness consumes everything in its path… but strength takes purpose of mind. Which you’d know. As a pastor. And would -hopefully- counsel against lashing out. And instead? Counsel the opposite. And Imbue strength.



… your children feel devastated and angry and abandoned.

If tables were turned, and you were ill, would your children feel devastated, angry, & abandoned by YOU? Instead of empathetic, understanding, careful to not blame themselves / take it personally?

Don’t get me wrong, I married VERY BADLY. My own ex would throw me under the bus (she’s a terrible mother who hates you, clearly, you worthless piece of shit!) if I had a cold, much less anything more serious. I was late to pickup from school twice in 15 years, neither more than 10 minutes, and each was used as examples of how UNIMPORTANT & DESPISED & LOATHED our kids were. Um. Twice. In 15 years. Twice in a WEEK gets absorbed in smiles by supportive parents. But? I married badly. So he used both examples to HURT our kids. Rather than comfort, relive, or inspire
Again.. I just. don't. think. you. understand. my. post.

I have directed no anger. No hurt. No pain toward our young adult daughters.

Their traumitizing experience with their father is THEIR OWN personally experienced emotional takeaways (and yes, I LOVE my husband IMMENSELY with a pure, sacrifical love).

Based on your most recent reply, I don't know if you're projecting your own experience onto mine & my family's.. but trust me - when I said "Depression, fear, anxiety, verbal outbursts, gaslighting, and avoidance were the moments that soon became an unexpected constancy . Walking on eggshells doesn't begin to describe the homelife our teen/young adult daughters & myself have lived thru." ... this was all directly experienced not by just me but our daughters either directly or as witness.

if anything - I am processing having turned the other cheek to my husband's mistreatment of us for WAYYYY too long (over 5 years!) and doing THAT contributed greatly to the detriment of our daughter's current emotional difficulties.
 
Based on your most recent reply, I don't know if you're projecting your own experience onto mine & my family's..
Has your husband tried to kill you 3 times this past year? A few dozen times in the last decade? Has he thrown one of your children across the room into a wall, to crumple to the floor unconscious/dead? Is the ONLY reason you’re staying with your husband because you’re a better fighter than he is, and so the only way to ensure your children’s safety?

That was MY marriage.

i don’t read that in your marriage. I read that something VIOLENTLY changed a few years ago, after 20+ years of deeply meaningful/intimate/understood/closeness and you feel like you’re downing, and are despairing, and are lost, desperate, seeking… something. Almost anything. Grasping at straws. And then??? Things. Got. Worse. And you are, bone deep, attempting to save your… everything. Both your kids & beloved & yourself… and don’t know if that’s possible.

Am I wrong?
 
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@Friday

--in 2020, just after his breakdown, my husband began Tough Loving our then 16 year old daughter (until she graduated) because he "didn't believe" she was Autistic and instead she just needed to be "taught" (by his use of verbal outbursts & manipulative control) that her way of processing wasn't acceptable
--in 2020, when my husband decided he could no longer work, and our only source of income was our small construction biz, I fully supported his need to step away and assured him that myself and our few employees could take care of things while he recovered - which I did.. and I went from a behind-the-scenes 20 hour/week employee to working anywhere tween 50-80 hours per week - for five years - so that my husband could have his freedom to recover - he now works 25 hours per week and plays volleyball for 40-50
--speaking of volleyball, this has been a sport shared by him and our daughters for 10+ years - our daughters both went to college one vball scolarships .. as they began coming home on breaks from college over these last 5 years, they were joining their dad when he played - and what they began getting increasingly exposed to (their words, not mine) over these years was my husband's misogynistic treatment of female players, his sexually provocative dancing on the court, and his vulgar swearing & mocking of other players - not to discount that this was the man they'd always looked up to as a pastoral role model who had ALWAYS displayed a love and kindness toward others - his trauma response to now mistreating and disrespecting others, again in THEIR words, not mine, had them seeing him as a "douchebag"
--I am a 35 year recovered alcoholic. As such, alcohol has never been a part of our home. My husband never drank until his mental health breakdown 5.5 years ago. And this year, as he became more involved in getting drunk & partying at the volleyball outings, he started hiding alcohol in our home. I say hiding, because I had no idea until finding it in the laundry room one day. Our 20 year old (autistic) daughter found out when she came home during the workday and found her dad not at work, but rather sitting on the couch drinking straight from a large bottle of wine. He said to her, "Don't tell your mom..." now tell me @Friday, how in the world was she supposed to have capacity to process what she'd just witnessed and been told to do?
--my husband's anxieties in crowds, responses to sounds, and generalized fears meant that for the past 5 years he controlled where each of us sat, what decibel we could speak at, and where & when & for how long we could go anywhere
--oh and speaking of going anywhere, because he needed to spend $$ on his volleyball, on his personal eating out at certain restaurants, his medical care & supplements to keep him able to perform his volleyball (oh yeah - maybe you should know we're uninsured), and now his liquor, our debt has increased and this has spilled over into having any $$ for family outings or events - again since our girls arent children - they're young adults, they watched their father's spending and knew where the money had gone
--so @Friday, my role in our family these past 5.5 years has actually been to hold together our source of income, our household, and our family while the girls and I (each of us) sought to love my husband/their father in spite of the way he verbally and selfishly treated us ... they are angry that after 5.5. years of loving him & accomodating him, he chose to leave home and has replaced his time & space with us with his "new tribe" (these are his words he spoke to them and to me in his leaving) - so abandonment is THEIR word, too .. not that I in any way gave it to them
 
(Note to myself for when/if I read this post in the future - if for no other reason, beginning to detail in my replies some of the mistreatments myself and our girls have endured these past 5.5 years is cathartic in how I can hopefully learn the difference between healthy boundaries and enabling behaviors when my husband returns...)
 
I am 26 years married

Our family dilemma this fall 2025 - my husband left home 5 weeks ago and has gone no contact.
Sorry to hear.
His leaving was actually 10 months after he started EMDR and his clinic-assigned therapist had him reliving his childhood traumas 2 hours per week for 6 months, and then dropping him to 1 hour per month, and a few months back moved to 1 hour per month.
The decline in sessions is normal, and tapered that way. Do the hard stuff, then taper so the person does the work they have to do. The problem... most people don't do the work unless they really have to.
In these months, he has been in complete "flight" mode escaping to his world of chosen athletics (volleyball). So much so, that he has abruptly decided that this new community of people is the only place he can be himself. So he left our home to pursue peace by being amongst them completely.
A person with PTSD, its very normal this occurs. The group have no knowing about his history. Like a fresh start... trying to hide the trauma and put it behind him. It won't work that way, but this is what people do. A normal reaction.
We are retired (progressive) pastors. Until starting EMDR, my husband had been tipsy one time in our marriage. Since January, he began drinking heavily, cursing vulgarly, and partying regularly with the younger 25-35 year old volleyball group.
Copying mechanism.
Now though, I'm completely lost in grief and uncertainty.
Normal for a 26 year marriage breaking down, and being left alone when you never seen it coming.
So, I open up in vulnerability to strangers in the hopes that by doing so it will be another piece of my truth puzzle - one that I'm building not just about CPTSD, but 100% about myself, with my own therapist, and that I'm hopefully imparting with wisdom in strengthening our girls as they pursue healing of their daddy-wound.
PTSD leaves an aftermath. I have done it, most people on this site have done it. Unfortunately, you are now in that aftermath and having to come to terms with it.

If you haven't read it: My ptsd partner left me - now what?

Pretty much answers most of what I could say to you about this.
 
@Friday if you believe the only form of abuse is physical, then you and I will just need to agree to disagree. And I am pained to hear what you lived through.

Your story is your story. Mine is mine.

Yet for some unbeknownst reason, in my attempt to continue seeking understanding, you have come onto my Intro Post and done nothing but attack & trivialize my story.

I am not drowning. I am not grasping. I am not despairing. Rather.. its the complete opposite of that. I am fighting (spiritually not physically) from a place of victory on behalf of a man that the abusers from his past would like to continue laying claim on his present, that his future will be dominated by their claim of fear & anxiety.

I am on this forum because I believe there is still a path forward for my family (my entire family) that is not one controlled by lies & deception & trauma.

So yes. I am a warrior but not at all in the way you have sought to frame me. I am a warrior of love, of perseverance, of humility, of faith, and of peace. And whether my incredibly amazing husband finds victorious peace this side of eternity or not, I WILL NOT ABANDON him - even if it means I let him go.

He is loved. He doesn't think he's worthy of it. But I won't be another someone in his life that contributes to him thinking he's unloved. Not on my watch and its the same counsel I'm encouraging our girls, while simultaneously helping them unpack and properly handle their traumtized emotions.
 
Thank you @In the weeds ... but I don't know how to use the ignore button.. how do I find it?
Click on the person's name and there will be two buttons - follow and ignore. Hit the ignore button.
You have my empathy. I hope things get better in your circumstances.
 
Click on the person's name and there will be two buttons - follow and ignore. Hit the ignore button.
You have my empathy. I hope things get better in your circumstances.
Thanks for your empathetic words... I went to their name and there's only a follow button... what now?
 
Yikes! I don't know. I've always seen it there and used it but I just clicked on someone's name and there was only a follow button. I'm not sure. Hopefully someone who knows a little more about the board can help??
 

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