News SGB PTSD Treatment Article

[been there done that]

She is doing well. But her and I are not. My marriage is now over as I have found out my wife has been unfaithful. I will be leaving the forum as I am no longer a carrer for a suffer. I hope she will keep sharing her story as it could help a lot of people. Thank you all for your support but it was just not meant to be. Good luck to all and happy healing.

Hello mrbarthel. I am new and am on this site to see how the SGB treatment goes. I do not mean to add to your pain in any way by asking this question but I do have my reasons for asking which I will explain. Did your partner have the affair before or after the SGB treatment?
The reason I ask as there is a new study out about Domamine I just read about it at an Effexor withdrawal site it says Dopamine can cause people to cheat. The thread I was reading was title marriages destroyed by ssri's snris which are antidepressants that change dopamine. Now I was curious if maybe this is a side effect of the treatment she had. Tho I know people will be skeptical if I am going to have this treatment I would like to know. Also it may seem weird to think a drug could actually cause a person to cheat but I think it is a very real problem that is over looked or just not known about.
This is the first time I have heard of this treatment while I am scared of new drugs my knee jerk reaction is to learn all I can about it and I have to admit I am just a tiny bit gleeful at the thought it could all just go away. I would like to thank you and your partner for posting on this subject and hope to hear a lot more from you both.
Wishing you both peace.
Thank you.

 

[anthony]

there is a new study out about Domamine I just read about it at an Effexor withdrawal site it says Dopamine can cause people to cheat.

#1 - Kind of a little bias on that site being an Effexor withdrawal site and posting a single study trying to outline or prove that dopamine makes a person cheat.

#2 - Our bodies chemicals do not make us cheat, they only increase or decrease our emotional state, they don't physically make us DO an act. The act of doing is scientifically proven as a function of the brain from reading many facets of our body in conjunction with our own thoughts. If a person is going to cheat, they will do so with or without dopamine change.

It is like PTSD, being without being on a drug at all, PTSD comes with specific behavioural indicators, many of which increase the risk and activity of cheating on partners due to depression, because they want to feel good and partake in behaviour to try and replicate such emotion; another indicator is also risky behaviour, very prominent in PTSD... as PTSD is a chemical imbalance within the body, when uncontrolled a person with PTSD is likely to take a lot of risks, with little regard for their own life, and even those around them, life.

 

[been there done that]

Kind of a little bias on that site being an Effexor withdrawal site and posting a single study trying to outline or prove that dopamine makes a person cheat.

There are plenty more studies on that site not just the one I was talking about. The issue is that the drugs can change personality to the extent that people change how they act what they want ect. There are over a thousand posts on that thread I have read many of them. Many many couples believe the drug was the reason for the cheating and other personality life changes they had while on this drug. Other antidepressant withdrawal site say the same thing paxilprogress.org is another one I would haver to find a particular article.

Our bodies chemicals do not make us cheat, they only increase or decrease our emotional state, they don't physically make us DO an act. The act of doing is scientifically proven as a function of the brain from reading many facets of our body in conjunction with our own thoughts. If a person is going to cheat, they will do so with or without dopamine change.
How do you know this for sure? A lot of people say it does. Would you say the same thing about street drugs that they do not change people like cocaine or speed could they change a person? I think it is possible.

as PTSD is a chemical imbalance within the body
wow are you joking or not? I have had ptsd for gee let me do some math 27 years I have never heard that.

 

[AdamAnt]

I don't know how relevant it is, but I have seen a person go from someone I could trust with my house, my car, my money, my business, my girlfriend...I could trust him with anything, and within one month of trying cocaine he came in, stole my vcr and I never saw him again.....

does cocaine effect ones chemical balance, dopamine levels?.....hmmmmm

I'd think that yes changing ones chemical/harmonal/neurotransmitter balance could push one over the edge, but I'd think the predisposition to cheat was there to begin with.

 

[anthony]

Chemicals that medication typically target are within the brain / controlled by the brain. PTSD is a factually a chemical imbalance between the right and left brain hemispheres... that is what PTSD is, and how it does what it does. The level and degree changes from person to person, hence the severity and longevity of symptoms on an individual basis. Medication, SSRI's, target the serotonin receptors, which is what PTSD partially imbalances within its effect in the brain. Medication typically tried to rebalance / supplement or decrement a specific chemical within the body.

This is why something like exercise is so healthy for depression, as its scientifically proven that exercise creates the exact chemicals that is lacking surrounding depression, purely for example sakes.

 

[Deleted member 5760]

I think with any mental illness it should be judged on a cases-by-case basis. Even with the same illness we're all going to react differently to treatments, medications, forms of therapy, etc.

As yes sometimes the most glaringly KISS remedies (ie. Keep It Simple Stupid) such as exercise work! I love the old adage 'laughter is the best medicine'. Laughter releases endorphins. A very natural and simple thing when compared with a hardcore drug, but still it works. Who doesn't enjoy laughing.

 

[been there done that]

I don't know how relevant it is, but I have seen a person go from someone I could trust with my house, my car, my money, my business, my girlfriend...I could trust him with anything, and within one month of trying cocaine he came in, stole my vcr and I never saw him again.....

does cocaine effect ones chemical balance, dopamine levels?.....hmmmmm

I'd think that yes changing ones chemical/harmonal/neurotransmitter balance could push one over the edge, but I'd think the predisposition to cheat was there to begin with.

Well I don't know but I am willing to look.
So lets see now...
From wiki

Venlafaxine (Effexor, Efexor) - serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor so increases serotonin and norepinephrine in brain. Additionally, in high doses it weakly inhibits the reuptake of dopamine, ...

Cocaine-Specifically, it is a serotonin–norepinephrine–dopamine reuptake inhibitor,

Wow I am surprised it seems we have a match.
So does this change your opinion of what people taking Effexor may do?

 

[AdamAnt]

People who are drunk on alcohol do all sorts of things they wouldn't do without the alcohol.

I'll propose a theory. Lets say an officeworker, Dartanian, is married and rarely drinks but thinks the girl in accounting is cute, has fantasies about her even, but he would never act on it because of his morals and he has seen a friend financially ruined for acting on an infatuation. Lets say there is an office party and Dartanian gets drunk and gets caught with the girl from accounting in the coat closet.

Was it the alcohol or the hours spent thinking about the girl that caused him to cheat with that girl?

 

[been there done that]

Chemicals that medication typically target are within the brain / controlled by the brain. PTSD is a factually a chemical imbalance between the right and left brain hemispheres... that is what PTSD is, and how it does what it does. The level and degree changes from person to person, hence the severity and longevity of symptoms on an individual basis. Medication, SSRI's, target the serotonin receptors, which is what PTSD partially imbalances within its effect in the brain. Medication typically tried to rebalance / supplement or decrement a specific chemical within the body.

This is why something like exercise is so healthy for depression, as its scientifically proven that exercise creates the exact chemicals that is lacking surrounding depression, purely for example sakes.

To tell you the truthI have not looked for a long long time to see what ptsd unbalances in the brain I read countless books when I was first diagnosed years ago. At that point in time it was cortistol (sorry spelling) that was thought to be the culprit from what I recall. One thing sticks in my mind was a study on blood coristol levels of people who were just in a car accident. Some would have ptsd some would not. What this study found was the opposite of what they expected. They expected people who had high cortistol at the time of the accident would have ptsd that did not go away chronic in other words. What they actually found was the people that had low cortistol at the time of the accident were the one who ended up having chronic ptsd.
The reason they thought was there was some prior factor that caused the cortistol to be low they hypothesized there had been prior trauma or high stress levels which caused the body to change the way it handled cortistol as you cannot have too high cortistol for too long as it will damage organs.

I have of course been treated long term with antidepressants the first dose I was given was for leg pain I know sounds stupid to me now too but at the time I was not told it was an antidepressant was just told I was taking too much tylenol #3 and this new drug would allow me to lower my dose. I had a sever adverse reaction to this first antidepressant had hallucinations the whole nine yards it messed me up a long long time- a couple of years. Before the drug I was working keeping it together after the drug I spent two years on the couch out of my head not sleeping or doing anything else but existing. I went into a pain clinic and onto amitriptyline which of course stopped the withdrawal from prozac if that is what I was I had that is what I think now that I know there is such a thing as withdrawal and adverse reactions.

I knew that ptsd could cause a litany of symptoms but did not know it was a serotonin issue. I will do some new research. I wonder what the connection is with cortistol and serotonin.
I will get back to you on this in the mean time is there a site you use that I where I can read about the serotonin involvement in ptsd that you could pass on to me in case I do not find it? Thanks this is interesting.

 

[Jawn]

As you said earlier, the predisposition to cheat was already there and the booze just enabled them to actually do it.

Jawn

 

[been there done that]

As you said earlier, the predisposition to cheat was already there and the booze just enabled them to actually do it.

Jawn

I didn't say that somebody else did.

 

[been there done that]

sorry I made a mistake.