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Started Emdr Today, Confused Now

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I started on my course of EMDR this morning. Session went really well with my therapist too :-)
Since about lunch time however my shivers have returned and my muscles ache all over. I also have noticed an increase in my hyper state. Plead advise is this normal as I felt so good straight after the session but am really confused now :-(
 
Hi laurie71,

That is due to the after-effects of the epinephrine being released during the process. That, and if you had been in dissociation, you might not have realized how tense you were until now.

It's perfectly normal, though unpleasant. I use my time after EMDR to comfort myself, rest, and relax as much as possible.

Make sure to mention this to your EMDR therapist. They need this information in order to adjust the pacing of the therapy.
 
8 hours now and still having muscle spasms. Don't feel good at all. Will mention to him next time how it has been since this time x x thanks for message x x
 
Thank amethist it was a very intense session as I was regressing badly during it. Gonna stick with it though as I want to fix me don't need to any more. I have suppressed this too long now. Just got me really confused as hadnt had shakes for nearly 2 weeks. :)
 
During my emdr sessions, if I started to disassociate my therapist stop it. If youre not there, mentally, I don't think it does much good. Then your just going through the motions without the feelings that you try to get at. For me it was very hard and took a couple days to stop the disassociating afterwards. Good luck and keep at it. It's hard but was worth it for me.

(My first EMDR was for fear of riding my horse fast around a barrel and now I've won championships)
 
The first couple of EMDR session were a little disturbing to me. It gets better. I still try and avoid doing much after a session. Good luck on your journey
 
Thanks guys, am so glad I found this forum when I did. Shakes have all but stopped now. Thought u was cracking up yesterday. I didn't dissociate during it though. I want to see everything and feel every emotion.t only scary thought is my therapists recommendation of 30 to 40 sessions of therapy compared to the normal 10. He has diagnosed me with complex PTSD as I had several different abuses at the same time, none knew the other was abusing me at the time. Whenever I escaped one abuse another took over. This went on for 16 years

I finally escaped them all just to land up in another cycle of abuse with more people.

Is it normal for therapists to recommend such a high amount of sessions in cases Luke mine?
 
I think that the length of therapy is a very very individual issue that can't be predicted or determined by anyone other than you and your therapist in tandem. I shudder when I hear of standardised, pre-determined therapy lifespans, though I do understand that this is often dictated by issues of funding and availability rather than the client's need.

Honestly, at this point, I would try hard not to think or worry about the duration of therapy. If you are able, let therapy take as long as it takes. Healing can't be pre-empted or rushed if it is to be real healing. In the case of multiple and complex traumas, it is inevitable that therapy will take longer and involve more. Gosh, I've been in regular (weekly/twice weekly) therapy for 3 years so far and am far from finished. This is also partly due to the fact that we continue to work on a range of current life issues as we go, rather than focusing exclusively on trauma processing, so obviously whether or not this occurs will also play into how long the therapy takes.

All that to say... I'm glad you seem to have a good and competent therapist, that you've started the valuable though difficult EMDR journey, and that your therapist seems to have a long-term map and plan for your treatment. These things are all really positive. Hang in there and remember that you only have to do one session at a time.

Maddog
 
For those of us with the terrible luck of lifelong abuse, there truly is no limit to how long we will need help to heal. I'm going on four years and I have accepted that it takes whatever it takes.

How wonderful that they can help us now. How I wish they had this knowledge back which I first started trying to get help.
 
I've posted this (or a version thereof) before on this list and had positive feedback. Hope it helps!

I'm a psychologist who uses EMDR as my primary treatment psychotherapy and I've also personally had EMDR therapy for anxiety, panic, grief, and “small t” trauma. As a client, EMDR worked extremely well and also really fast. As an EMDR therapist, and in my role as a facilitator who trains other therapists in EMDR (certified by the EMDR International Assoc. and trained by the EMDR Inst, both of which I strongly recommend in an EMDR therapist) I have used EMDR successfully with panic disorders, childhood sexual/physical/emotional abuse and neglect, single incident trauma and complex/chronic PTSD, anxiety, depression, grief, body image, phobias, distressing memories, bad dreams and more...

It's really crucial that the therapist spends enough time in one of the initial phases (Phase 2) in EMDR that involves preparing for memory processing or desensitization (memory processing or desensitization - phases 3-6 - is often referred to as "EMDR" which is actually an 8-phase psychotherapy). In this phase resources are "front-loaded" so that you have a "floor" or "container" to help with processing the really hard stuff. In Phase 2 you learn a lot of great coping strategies and self-soothing techniques which you can use during EMDR processing or anytime you feel the need. So if you start feeling overwhelmed or that it's too intense, you can ground yourself (with your therapist's help in session, and on your own between sessions) and feel safe enough to continue the work. In my practice, after the Phase 2 work lets us know that my patient is safe enough and able to cope with any emotion and/or physical sensation both during and between EMDR processing sessions, I often suggest we try a much less intense memory first if there is one that happened BEFORE the trauma(s). If there isn't one, then I suggest we start developmentally with the least disturbing memory and work our way "up" to the most disturbing event(s).

Grounding exercises are indispensable in everyday life, and really essential in stressful times. Anyone can use some of the techniques in Dr. Shapiro's new book "Getting Past Your Past: Take Control of Your Life with Self-Help Techniques from EMDR." Dr. Shapiro is the founder/creator of EMDR but all the proceeds from the book go to two charities: the EMDR Humanitarian Assistance Program and the EMDR Research Foundation). Anyway, the book is terrific. It's an easy read, helps you understand what's "pushing" your feelings and behavior, helps you connect the dots from past experiences to current life. Also teaches readers lots of helpful techniques that can be used immediately and that are also used during EMDR therapy to calm disturbing thoughts and feelings.

As I’ve mentioned about Phase 2, during EMDR therapy you learn coping strategies and self-soothing techniques. You learn how to access a “Safe or Calm Place” which you can use at ANY TIME during EMDR processing (or on your own) if it feels scary, or too emotional, too intense. There are other kinds of Resource Development strategies that can be used depending on the skill level and experience of your therapist (Google "Resource development and installation" and find articles by Janina Fisher, Debbie Korn, and/or Andrew Leeds, ask about John Omaha's AMST - Affect Management Skills Training, or the Imaginal Nurturing protocol).

One of the key assets of EMDR is that YOU, the client, are in control NOW, even though you likely were not during past events. You NEVER need re-live an experience or go into great detail, ever! You NEVER need to go through the entire memory. YOU can decide to keep the lights (or the alternating sounds and/or tactile pulsars, or the waving hand, or hand/knee tapping - all forms of bilateral stimulation that should be decided by the client for the client's comfort) going, or stop them, whichever helps titrate – measure and adjust the balance or “dose“ of the processing. During EMDR processing there are regular “breaks” and you can control when and how many but the therapist should be stopping the bilateral stimulation every 25-50 or so passes of the lights to ask you to take a deep breath and to say just a bit of what you’re noticing. The breaks help keep a “foot in the present” while you’re processing the past. Again, and I can’t say this enough, YOU ARE IN CHARGE so YOU can make the process tolerable. And your therapist should be experienced in the EMDR techniques that help make it the gentlest and safest way to neutralize bad life experiences and build resources.

Pacing and dosing are critically important. So if you ever feel that EMDR processing is too intense then it might be time to go back over all the resources that should be used both IN session and BETWEEN sessions. Your therapist should be using a variety of techniques to make painful processing less painful, like suggesting you turn the scene in your mind to black and white, lower the volume, or, erect a bullet-proof glass wall between you and the painful scene, or, imagine the abuser speaking in a Donald Duck voice... and so forth. There are a lot of these kinds of "interventions" that ease the processing. They are called "cognitive interweaves" that your therapist can use, and that also can help bring your adult self's perspective into the work (or even an imaginary Adult Perspective). Such interweaves are based around issues of Safety, Responsibility, and Choice. So therapist questions like "are you safe now?" or "who was responsible? and "do you have more choices now?" are all very helpful in moving the processing along.

In addition to my therapy practice, I roam the web looking for EMDR discussions, try to answer questions about it posted by clients/patients, and respond to the critics out there. It's not a cure-all therapy. However, it really is an extraordinary psychotherapy and its results last. In the hands of a really experienced EMDR therapist, it's the most gentle way of working through disturbing experiences.
 
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