Success, self-loathing & suicides in the news recently

[joeylittle]

. Maybe saying what I honestly believe (I can't DBT a fact out of existence) is my way of facing my problem intimately so maybe then something that does work will present itself.

Can you talk more about what you believe, vis-a-vis your actual problem? Not ways to treat it - just, the thing itself?

What you are living with that is causing you suffering? If you weren't in pain, what would your life look like? What would be different?

 

[anthony]

Depression does not respect logic. That simple.

 

[Dana1010]

Can you talk more about what you believe, vis-a-vis your actual problem? Not ways to treat it - just, the thing itself?

What you are living with that is causing you suffering?

I don't think it's appropriate for me to spell out all of the gory details of my life here.

If you weren't in pain, what would your life look like? What would be different?

If I was not in pain, what would be different? I guess I would be a happy pathetic loser instead of a sad pathetic loser. Sorry, I'm not sure I understand what kind of response you're seeking here.

 

[joeylittle]

I guess I would be a happy pathetic loser instead of a sad pathetic loser

OK. So you believe your identity will always be 'pathetic loser' - that's what you want, or that's what you are clinging to because it's familiar? Is it a defensive reaction?

I don't think it's appropriate for me to spell out all of the gory details of my life here.

Sure - you just said that saying what was on your mind was a way of facing your problem intimately. You could do that more effectively by actually facing the problems, the beliefs, instead of facing down the ways in which they won't change.

You don't have to get into your gory details to talk about what you believe about yourself, and how it affects you.

 

[The Albatross]

Joe Rogan tries to discuss it and gets emotional: Joe Rogan gets emotional talking about Chester Bennington Tragedy

 

[DharmaGirl]

What are we supposed to be discussing here? It it the question of why they acted on their suicidal ideation, or how to get rid of your imposter feelings? It seems like when one is being discussed, the other is brought up as in - no I'm talking about this, and vice versa. Perhaps I'm just not following.

 

[Dana1010]

What are we supposed to be discussing here?

I would say it's both along with anything insightful anyone has to add. My assumption is that their fame and success could not improve their emotional issues due to something like impostor syndrome. So I, for one, and talking about both.

 

[DharmaGirl]

I see. Success, in my opinion, has nothing to do with self-esteem. If you hate yourself, it takes a lot of inner work to change that, and I would assume that being famous would add a great deal of stress rather than relief. I hated myself because I was fat. I lost the weight, but still hated myself. I couldn't understand why people still liked me when I was the same person I was when I was fat. Imposter syndrome? Sort of. It has taken years of work on my inner self to like myself most of the time. Now I am medically retired, have chronic pain, am fat again, but I like myself because of the work I've done on myself. I know I'm not adding anything new, but I think anyone with depression issues would have a difficult time no matter what the circumstances. I don't know what it's like to want to be famous. I never had any desire, but for people who do, and then become famous, they are still the same person.