• We are a multilingual website again. Read the notice about this.
  • Understand AI use at MyPTSD: all AI use is explained in our AI help page. AI use is by choice here. It exists if you want it, but does nothing unless you choose to use it.

News The Environment, Animals And Climate Change

Status
Not open for further replies.
Hey, it's proven...meat is addictive and we've come this far living on a diet of meat so it's not realistic to expect an entire world of people to just quit it. I think it's more realistic if people just cut back on their intake. If we all did that it would actually do a lot of good, and it's doable.

The people I know who are vegan come from very well off upper middle class families, and to be honest many of them are quite imbalanced in one way or another. I think it has to do with the way they just stop eating meat suddenly without letting their digestive systems get used to a different rhythmn. It can literally put a persons body in a state of shock. Or they suddenly have energy through the roof and end up doing way too much as a result. Constant DOING can run a person down to the ground pretty quickly.

They've never had to struggle so veganism is a bit of a luxury lifestyle. I'd like to see them all go to Argentina and expect to recruit all the people there whose lives revolve around a meat diet daily...and it's a luxury to be able to afford the meat. I do admire Vegans though...especially the more balanced ones who are really passionate about it and have correct information to back them up. The animals need people in their corner and for compassion to spread. What disturbs me the most is the way the animals are treated while they are alive. There is no need for the incredible cruelty they endure.
 
Last edited:
We stopped mowing so much grass. The wild flowers and dandelions are beautiful this time of year.
We mow just around the house and spend our free time at parks, driving past everyone mowing on our way there!

We haven't mowed our field in two years. We may mow once this year to keep the trees out, or may let it revert. It's great for the monarchs in the fall.

I just read that the monarch butterfly population is on the upswing due to habitat conservation.

There's good news out there :)
 
Regarding climate and sea levels

The earth's climate is cyclical - and probably always has been. If I look out of my window, the hillside opposite has a stepped profile caused by repeated cycles of rock types, consisting of a base of marine limestone, overlain by marine shale coarsening upwards to siltstone, a sandstone usually with a fossil soil on top and sometimes a coal seam. then the cycle repeats.

Those cycles of sediment are from the Carboniferous period, and are about 300,000,000 years old.

They correspond to fluctuating sea levels, due to glacial and interglacial periods that were taking place far away on a southern polar continent that comprised modern day Antarctica, Africa, Oz and bits of South America.

Some of the marine critters were evolving very rapidly at that time (especially goniatites - one of the fore runners of ammonites) , and each of the periods of marine inundation, brought a seperate and distinct fauna with it, and those can be used to give time correlations right through the Carboniferous coal fields of Europe, Asia, North America and the northern part of South America, demonstrating that the sea level changes were global - and were not just due to local rise and fall of the land.

Even for times when there was no continent over a pole, and no ice caps, for example the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods, there is a cyclicity recorded in sediments.

on a more local scale, if I go ten miles away, there is something like a five kilometer (over 15,000 feet) change in the thickness of carboniferous sediments - during sedimentation, subsidence was faster on one side of a basin margin fault, than it was on the other

Places like Venice, some parts of the Greek islands, and the Nile delta are actively subsiding today, and will continue to subside, regardless of what we humans do or do not do.

I hope I have established that climate change is an ongoing thing? that has been going on cyclically since before there were even dinosaurs

The charges of the Warmerists are:
That the current warming is unprecedented,
That it is catasptophic
and that it is man made

There is also a re-brand away from "global warming", which hasn't been seen in the instrumental record for almost 20 years - to the much looser claim of "climate change"
that change avoids the claims and counter claims of what unusual weather events constituted "climate" and which were "just weather"

First un precedented - that is refuted by the far faster changes at the end of the roman period and at either end of the medieval warm period (the MWP has variously been denied and down played by the warmerists)

We also only have a little over a century of reliable instrumental records for most parts of the world - but "unprecedented in the past 100 years" is hardly a powerful claim.

The famous hockey stick graph (with the hidden decline) combines several carefully cherry picked data sets and variously super imposes an instrumental measurement line
Such a trick of using different sample types would not be permissable in for example a mineral exploration project seeking to be floated on a stock exchange
I can highly recommend Anthony Montford's book "The Hockey Stick Illusion" as an accessible introduction to the problems with the evidence. The book actually came into the shops just as the "climategate" hack became public - so that is a whole seperate and sorry scandal.

Second claim, Catastrophic
In East Anglia, there are reddened fossil clay soils from the Hoxnian interglacial period. these are associated with a fauna in Britain, similar to the current critters in the African savannahs - lions, elephants, hippos hyenas...

In our current interglacial, We are actually past the warmest point, and to find climates warm enough to cause reddening of clay soils, we need to go to the very south of Europe. Britain just isn't warm enough.

Even in the Roman and high medievel period, the records of vinyards and of wine and olive growing, go far further nort than olives and grapes will ripen today. There is also the issue of sea ports and sea gates to castles, that are now well above the tidal reach (in one example, Harlech castle) the exposed dry ground is solid rock - so "silting" cannot be blamed.
Sea level is lower now than it was in the high medieval period.
So - we have precedent warmer climates and these were not catastrophic - on the contrary, they were times of greater plenty.

Third claim
it's Man made
The hockey stick graphs suggest that the time correllation between the industrial revolution and the warming, shows a causal relationship

I'm a little rusty on dates, because honestly this subject bores the tits off me and has done since about 2011. so I might be a few years out on the date that the hockey stick graphs all start, it's something like about 1873

The important point is, if you move the starting point about 3 years either way, the warming trend disappears

something which requires such careful cherry picking to show a correllation - really is not a sound or a robust basis for claiming to demonstrate a causal relationship.
____________________________________________________________
I've a longer and very much more boring and complicated argument for why lower sea levels would run the risk of triggering big submarine slope failures and cause some enormous tsunamis - and I'm talking much bigger than the new years day 2005 tsunami or the recent Japanese tsunami, some of those tsunami would likely be hundreds of feet high.
______________________________________________________________

I've got a friend who is very much into Mark Beckoff's work, and was corresponding with Beckoff.
 
Ok, @Anarchy I get the point, more or less. I still think that we ought to watch our emissions and such from both vehicles and power plants due to air pollution, and water pollution, so my basic idea of this thread stands.
 
Hey, it's proven...meat is addictive and we've come this far living on a diet of meat so it's not reali...

I agree that we should cut back on our meat consumption. I try to eat it only once per day. I don't believe in going without it. I have tried that sometimes due to budgeting issues and it did not help with my health, it hurt in fact. I got sick more and for longer.
 
There are a number of people who have the same reaction to not eating meat. They need it. Every body is different and some really need meat or they get sick. There wouldn't be things in meat that respond to the human body in a good way if we weren't supposed to ingest it...at least some of us anyway. I only really eat meat once or twice a week and some weeks I go without completely and don't miss it. I've been full vego before and it was great. I felt so light and healthy...but I did have trouble absorbing what people were saying to me. I was ungrounded.

Oh there is also the option to not breed. There are enough people and more kids is not what this planet needs right now, in my opinion. I wish people would think about it more before choosing to breed unconsciously.
 
Yes, world hunger is a problem. There seems to not be enough food to go around for everyone in the whole world, some say. Others say that there is enough food, but that some countries, like mine (USA) get too much of it while others get too little. I am not sure what to think, but I do often find myself praying for all the people in the whole wide world, that they get enough food and clean water.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Donation drives

2026 Donation Goal

Goal
$1,800.00
Earned
$910.00
This donation drive ends in
0 hours, 0 minutes, 0 seconds
  50.6%

Trending content

Featured content

Back
Top Bottom