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Therapy brining up Rage and Depression

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I think this is the right place, but maybe in the therapy forum...?

I have a lot of repressed anger that comes out as rage. Being in therapy makes it much closer to the surface than usual. This is a good thing, but I am having a really hard time with regulating myself, which in turn makes me feel embarrassed and disgusted with myself. At times it's so intense that I feel like I could kill someone if I'm not careful. I also felt this way when I was 10-11 years old. I am not sure if this is a flashback or not, but it is a cycle of rage, shame and depression.

Does anyone have experience with this type of thing? If so, how do you cope?
 
I think this is the right place, but maybe in the therapy forum...?

I have a lot of repressed anger that comes out as rage. Being in therapy makes it much closer to the surface than usual. This is a good thing, but I am having a really hard time with regulating myself, which in turn makes me feel embarrassed and disgusted with myself. At times it's so intense that I feel like I could kill someone if I'm not careful. I also felt this way when I was 10-11 years old. I am not sure if this is a flashback or not, but it is a cycle of rage, shame and depression.

Does anyone have experience with this type of thing? If so, how do you cope?
Hi I too suffered with rage and shame. It's not easy. Sometimes I felt like killing someone as well. I've had to deal with some horrible people in life.
The thing is, is that anger will just eat away at you until nothing is left. I don't have any advice as such but just to say 'don't let other people ruin your life'. And if people are causing you harm then tell them in a calm way or just get away from them and know you dealt with them in a adult way

All the best to you and for being brave enough to share. ?

Just to add.. I've had people literally drive me insane sometimes but I was the person that would end up completely losing it and being really angry. Sending angry texts and emails. The end result was I was the person that looked like the asshole. Don't let other people force you into that situation.
 
Just to add.. I've had people literally drive me insane sometimes but I was the person that would end up completely losing it and being really angry. Sending angry texts and emails. The end result was I was the person that looked like the asshole. Don't let other people force you into that situation.
Precisely what I hope to avoid!
 
First I am glad you are having these feelings come as a result of your therapy. Because that is what therapy is for, to bring up feelings that we were too young, scared and unable to deal with and rework through them.
I really do not know what will work for you exactly but for me, I separated the rage and homicidal ferling of my childhood I repressed vs today's feeling like who do I hate enough today to kill. For me none so I knew my rage is unleashed memory flashback... Not based in reality I live in. Did not make it any less but it in perspective. I allowed the feeling because I needed to know how I felt then and grieve what happened to me.
If I did nt move through it or avoided I would stayed status quo and would not be able to integrate.
I truly hope you have safe space or person whom can support you 100% while you recover in this phase.
 
It’s really common for therapy to stir up symptoms. Have you talked to the therapist about this? There are a number of things that can be done in therapy to try to reduce these types of symptom spikes.
 
Thank you. Yes, I believe the rage is a flashback. I don't remember why exactly, but I do remember feeling homicidal rage strongly around age 12.
 
I know what you are talking about. I have recovered from this symptom of PTSD and I did so without dealing fully with the traumatic events. So you can recover and improve with this trait without doing all the trauma work. Just work on this behavior. These are the things that helped me control myself but using the word "control myself" is a misnomer in many ways. Because there is sort of this "zen" quality to it that's hard to explain.

Firstly, I had to BELIEVE that I could control myself. This took awhile to believe it was possible to not rage when suddenly triggered. But when triggered there is part of the brain that knows how to stop before it explodes. It is NANOSECONDS before the explosion. With lots of practice, each and every time I after I had the explosion I had to stop shaming myself, and then ponder and really remember I how I felt right before I opened my mouth or threw somethings etc. Right before the rage starts, There is a nano split second of decision. I had to believe I could find that and act upon it. Once I found that moment I immediately start talking to myself!

What would I say to myself--- "I am NOT angry at this situation currently- this is DISPLACED anger at the past."

2. I had to fully know the rage was DISPLACED anger at the past. In the nanosecond of decision, I'd tell myself this is the past, and I'd remove myself from the situation as quickly as I could. I'd find a place to quickly go to to "process" the rage and anger from the past. Sometimes I would literally shake over and over during this process.

3. I had rituals and ceremonies that I would plan out. I would have funerals, if you will, for the past. I did these alone, but I know people who would invite others to their ceremonies. One friend who did this took eggs to her ceremony and threw them at trees and screamed at the top of her lungs "I hate you you mother f*cker" and raged at God and threw eggs. She had her friend be a witness. At the end of the egg throwing screaming, she then said a prayer that that was over and this is now and deterimined to not be a rager or angry person. So I did similar things sometimes at night or morning, whatever, it was my ceremony and I planned it thoughtfully.

4. When I was finding my nanosecond of decision, I used Klonipin only when needed. I could "feel" that I was edgy, I could feel that I was irritable. So I used klonipin for about 3 months. I noticed that I was really edgy around 4 oclock-- hello- the time I'd get home from school and the sun would start to set and the living hell I used to live in would occur,,,, yeah, 4 oclock. I had to work on that time of day for this issue.

It took me a year. The key was to remember that the rage was Displaced, and then use my triggered state to express the anger I felt back in the abuse but never had a chance or ability to express it. So I used it to process and "release" those emotions out of my body. Only rarely have I raged again since then. Very rarely. Let's just say, don't "surprise" a rape victim with "affection" that's never a good idea. ask first and let no be no!
 
I know what you are talking about. I have recovered from this symptom of PTSD and I did so without dealing fully with the traumatic events. So you can recover and improve with this trait without doing all the trauma work. Just work on this behavior. These are the things that helped me control myself but using the word "control myself" is a misnomer in many ways. Because there is sort of this "zen" quality to it that's hard to explain.

Firstly, I had to BELIEVE that I could control myself. This took awhile to believe it was possible to not rage when suddenly triggered. But when triggered there is part of the brain that knows how to stop before it explodes. It is NANOSECONDS before the explosion. With lots of practice, each and every time I after I had the explosion I had to stop shaming myself, and then ponder and really remember I how I felt right before I opened my mouth or threw somethings etc. Right before the rage starts, There is a nano split second of decision. I had to believe I could find that and act upon it. Once I found that moment I immediately start talking to myself!

What would I say to myself--- "I am NOT angry at this situation currently- this is DISPLACED anger at the past."

2. I had to fully know the rage was DISPLACED anger at the past. In the nanosecond of decision, I'd tell myself this is the past, and I'd remove myself from the situation as quickly as I could. I'd find a place to quickly go to to "process" the rage and anger from the past. Sometimes I would literally shake over and over during this process.

3. I had rituals and ceremonies that I would plan out. I would have funerals, if you will, for the past. I did these alone, but I know people who would invite others to their ceremonies. One friend who did this took eggs to her ceremony and threw them at trees and screamed at the top of her lungs "I hate you you mother f*cker" and raged at God and threw eggs. She had her friend be a witness. At the end of the egg throwing screaming, she then said a prayer that that was over and this is now and deterimined to not be a rager or angry person. So I did similar things sometimes at night or morning, whatever, it was my ceremony and I planned it thoughtfully.

4. When I was finding my nanosecond of decision, I used Klonipin only when needed. I could "feel" that I was edgy, I could feel that I was irritable. So I used klonipin for about 3 months. I noticed that I was really edgy around 4 oclock-- hello- the time I'd get home from school and the sun would start to set and the living hell I used to live in would occur,,,, yeah, 4 oclock. I had to work on that time of day for this issue.

It took me a year. The key was to remember that the rage was Displaced, and then use my triggered state to express the anger I felt back in the abuse but never had a chance or ability to express it. So I used it to process and "release" those emotions out of my body. Only rarely have I raged again since then. Very rarely. Let's just say, don't "surprise" a rape victim with "affection" that's never a good idea. ask first and let no be no!
I love how you put it. I do similar ways when I become concious of something rather than forming attachment or identification, I process as displaced feeling or being provided it is and practise practise!!!
Thank you for sharing @hithere
 
I know what you are talking about. I have recovered from this symptom of PTSD and I did so without dealing fully with the traumatic events. So you can recover and improve with this trait without doing all the trauma work. Just work on this behavior. These are the things that helped me control myself but using the word "control myself" is a misnomer in many ways. Because there is sort of this "zen" quality to it that's hard to explain.

Firstly, I had to BELIEVE that I could control myself. This took awhile to believe it was possible to not rage when suddenly triggered. But when triggered there is part of the brain that knows how to stop before it explodes. It is NANOSECONDS before the explosion. With lots of practice, each and every time I after I had the explosion I had to stop shaming myself, and then ponder and really remember I how I felt right before I opened my mouth or threw somethings etc. Right before the rage starts, There is a nano split second of decision. I had to believe I could find that and act upon it. Once I found that moment I immediately start talking to myself!

What would I say to myself--- "I am NOT angry at this situation currently- this is DISPLACED anger at the past."

2. I had to fully know the rage was DISPLACED anger at the past. In the nanosecond of decision, I'd tell myself this is the past, and I'd remove myself from the situation as quickly as I could. I'd find a place to quickly go to to "process" the rage and anger from the past. Sometimes I would literally shake over and over during this process.

3. I had rituals and ceremonies that I would plan out. I would have funerals, if you will, for the past. I did these alone, but I know people who would invite others to their ceremonies. One friend who did this took eggs to her ceremony and threw them at trees and screamed at the top of her lungs "I hate you you mother f*cker" and raged at God and threw eggs. She had her friend be a witness. At the end of the egg throwing screaming, she then said a prayer that that was over and this is now and deterimined to not be a rager or angry person. So I did similar things sometimes at night or morning, whatever, it was my ceremony and I planned it thoughtfully.

4. When I was finding my nanosecond of decision, I used Klonipin only when needed. I could "feel" that I was edgy, I could feel that I was irritable. So I used klonipin for about 3 months. I noticed that I was really edgy around 4 oclock-- hello- the time I'd get home from school and the sun would start to set and the living hell I used to live in would occur,,,, yeah, 4 oclock. I had to work on that time of day for this issue.

It took me a year. The key was to remember that the rage was Displaced, and then use my triggered state to express the anger I felt back in the abuse but never had a chance or ability to express it. So I used it to process and "release" those emotions out of my body. Only rarely have I raged again since then. Very rarely. Let's just say, don't "surprise" a rape victim with "affection" that's never a good idea. ask first and let no be no!

Thank you. Very helpful. I need to do a lot of private raging, or "processing" as you put it.
 
I don't remember why exactly, but I do remember feeling homicidal rage strongly around age 12.
I would like to give a piece of advice about this "not remembing"-take it with a grain of salt, it's just advice. .. everyone is different. However, I now strongly believe that there's a reason to not remember. So don't push it to remember anything. If you body/brain/soul is ready to release that to your conscious thought-so be it. Otherwise, be very happy you have this wonderful ability to not remember. It's awesome really, and a wonderful way to be resilient, live life with dignity, and get on with things.

There's plenty of healing that can be done and painful emotional disturbances and setbacks can be overcome without remembering a damn thing. The human body/mind/soul is an amazing thing.
 
I second @hithere especially that the memory may come when you are stronger and ready to grieve and it does not have the same power as it did as a child or younger person. The body/ mind is amazing. Good luck
 
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