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"There is No Cure."

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Even medical science is popular thought. Don't eat eggs, ok, you can eat eggs now. Give people as many pain meds as they need to stop the pain, OMG, there's an opium epidemic. I had to have an 8 hour class in nursing school on how pain meds given for pain don't cause addiction. Medical science. Oh, but no, they were wrong, people do get addicted. The perception was that they don't. Medical fact. The perception now is that they do. Medical fact.

Is it ok to discuss how we feel about something? Yes. It is a discussion. There isn't a right and wrong, it's perception. And political correctness isn't the issue, I don't think. I read stuff about how things weren't so politically correct in the past, and people are fine, but we aren't fine. We have PTSD among other things and the medical issues associated with it. It's not politically correct to beat your children. Good, that's a whole generation that won't get PTSD from child abuse. Not politically correct to bully?

I think we are discussing several things here, with an aside of what's wrong with you for posting this. I don't even know why I'm typing this, but I think it's ok to express opinions. It's ok to argue the other side. Making it about individual words seems like it detracts from the conversation rather than adding to it. Just my two cents.
 
People underestimate how much research is influenced by money. I do not want to encourage conspiracy theory but I would highly encourage people to find who fund a research to get sense of the full report and intention. do not even look far by looking who funds the DSM...

In terms of cure for PTSD, as I noted prior, it is doable but it does require a lot from a client and I think a therapist. The biggest issue is therapy the way we know is not fully equipped to deal with childhood issues trauma. I was reading the other day something about why schizophrenia is better in some community but not others. What is it that we are so afraid of this but there are communities where those who have this condition are not ostracized at all. In fact, there could be a cure if we study them properly rather than filling them up with meds or hiding them in institutions.

Another theory that truly cripples cure is that relation and attachment is default for humans. We are all like sheep put in a line to believe that you cannot heal without attachment or relation. Even therapists shove this in our throats or terminate us or call us difficutl or worse psychopath! really!!! but yet, of course people die every day and we let them go. What else is to do right. You love and you live.

I think there is a space when a baby is not 100% attached and a lot can go wrong in that period and until we acknowledge that and allow that in therapy so people can re-experience and work through it...we are pushing people around to jump from the belly and right away be attached to the caretaker. No mistakes are allowed in that process unless of course you are thrown out because well you are not normal.

I remember personally having my therapist resisting I do not attach to him. RESISTING. But gosh, I was already attached as adult and could go through that with him but I realized after what happens if I was single and lonely with this therapist. I would be 100% beyond frustration if he pushed me like that. I may not be able to articulate this experience but I can say it opened the door for me. but of course, if i say this out-loud, I may as well be called delusional and I am fine with that.
 
I do not want to encourage conspiracy theory
Yet you are nonetheless?

There are many non-biased experts who do their job with pride and integrity, putting their name to such things. The experts say there is not cure to date, but PTSD can be treated effectively for the majority.

You can differ your opinion to the experts. Don't care. Just don't preach it here as though its fact, or that political correctness has a place in any of this. Political correctness is highly abused nowadays by factions and media, and if anyone wants to discuss that, please do so in a thread of its own topic.
 
I must agree with the line of thought that says there is no cure. But that does not mean there is no healing. What is damaged is our psyche and our ability to function/live once a rift has occured. PTSD is a vicious and real enemy to our lives. As a result, there are different types of breaks that affect each of us differently. Having said that, I do believe there is hope for us to be able to emerge from the horrible darkness and the possibility to regain or achieve a level of wholeness that enables us to safely function and interact. The level of wholeness we achieve depends in part on our willingness to fight and take back control of our minds.

Though my experience with therapy was mostly pre-acknowledgement of PTSD in the Psych world, I was fortunate to find a doctor in the 90's who was astute enough to recognize that I really wasn't bi-polar or manic but that I was damaged from the continual rape I experienced at the ages of 5-6. Once I was able to recognize the source of my screwed up life, I then started climbing upwards. Having said that, I don't believe there is a healing of this enemy of ours; but we can rise above it.This is a battle that has gone on with me for 58 years. I still have issues with dealing with others outside of my circle. I still have trust issues but I am not the suicidal, depressed, lost soul I once was. Is there healing? Yes. Is there a cure? Short of technology going in and rewiring/resetting our brain and psyche......no.

Blessings,
Surefoot
 
I just read an article on here that I think is pretty brilliant and then my heart sank at the end when read that common phrase, "There is no cure." I don't want to undermine the usefulness of the article so I'm going to write my thoughts on this specific point here.

I cringe whenever someone says, "there is no cure" about anything. The only thing that I think we could accurately say that there is no cure for is death - and even then, there is some gray area about when someone is considered legally dead, clinically dead, etc. We've all heard accounts about people being revived. If someone is in the grave, I feel confident that they aren't coming back. But if someone has flat-lined in a hospital, there is still hope. My point: Even with death, it's not all black and white.

Unless someone is God, I don't think it's their place to assert, "There is no cure" as a blanket statement to everyone with PTSD. And even then, the "Atheists Unite" forum could still argue against it.

When someone says "there is no cure for XYZ," I would argue that a more accurate statement is, "I am not aware of a cure" or that a particular field of study has not found a cure at this present time. Although the brain's response to trauma has evolved since humans existed, "PTSD" is still a fairly new diagnosis. In a way, we are all pioneers in how to deal with it. "There is no cure" sounds like "It is impossible to cure." How do you really know that?

Maybe this is just semantics but I feel it is important to discuss this because the statement of "There is no cure" for anything has the power to unnecessarily deflate someone's hope. I never want to take someone's hope away or limit what they feel is possible for them.

There are also so many people with PTSD with various levels of severity. For me, my PTSD worsened when I experience a second trauma 20 after the initial traumatic experience, and THEN it finally got diagnosed. I'm not sure how far my personal journey of healing will take me but what about someone who has a one time trauma and is diagnosed early and seeks treatment right away? Perhaps it is possible for them to resolve it completely with the best treatment for them.

There are many illnesses that have a cure, where it was said at one time that there is no cure. I hope that some day, the same will be said for at least some instances of PTSD and then treatment will progress from there. I'd hate to see a situation where complete resolution of PTSD is possible for someone but they resort to just accepting the status quo because someone in authority told them there is no cure.

The way that I choose to look at it is that, again, we are pioneers of this diagnosis. If someone wants to believe for themselves that there is no cure for them, I'll let them believe that. Maybe that belief is more constructive for them in coping with and improving their symptoms. However, maybe someone else needs to believe that a cure is possible. Maybe that belief is more constructive to their healing journey for them. Even if they do not find "a cure," perhaps reaching for a higher goal will result in a better outcome.

All of us here with PTSD are all very different. One person's attitude about how they choose to see their prospects for healing is not necessarily better than another. However, I respectfully wish that people would not make inaccurate, blanket statements and apply them to everyone with PTSD.

Thanks for listening. Rant over.

I agree with you Sweet_E...and my reason is also based on hope.
And I have had a therapist who has been able to “lead me through” a complex and very difficult journey.
I have gotten through the worst part of this and I am now in the healing process.

I once thought when I finished with therapy, with all of the hard work I’d done and reading about the whys of PTSD and it’s affects, I would magically be free...once and for all...DONE.
And then I found that I still experience “triggers”...some very strong.
I now recognize what is happening.

I then apply everything I learned in therapy, and I take tender care of me...or someone else. Children are easy...they bring me back into NOW (mindfulness) and their simple joy is contagious.

I feel compassion towards the many who struggle with any of what mars our life on this planet...and I’ve finally learned to give this same compassion to ME.

I an better at allowing myself to tolerate the feelings that come with a trigger...and I put kind time limits on this.
I continue to sleep all night, I am eating a healthy diet and maintaining my weight.
When I do experience a trigger, I also know that I need to reach out on this forum or journal, walk with a friend, giving trust to my One...I need to have faith in what is good and pure and of Love. And I seek this goodness in those around me...
I trust that as the dedicated doctors and therapists study PTSD, they will find more and more about how traumatic events affect our bodies and how to better help the many who have been traumatized by life, others, illnesses and war...this is my HOPE.
I will never give up on hope. I know that those studying PTSD will not give up either.
My therapist once told me he has “felt free” for over 15 years.
He is my ‘lighthouse’.
Hang in there everyone!! We can do this!!
 
I must agree with the line of thought that says there is no cure. But that does not mean there is no healing. What is damaged is our psyche and our ability to function/live once a rift has occured. PTSD is a vicious and real enemy to our lives. As a result, there are different types of breaks that affect each of us differently. Having said that, I do believe there is hope for us to be able to emerge from the horrible darkness and the possibility to regain or achieve a level of wholeness that enables us to safely function and interact. The level of wholeness we achieve depends in part on our willingness to fight and take back control of our minds.

Though my experience with therapy was mostly pre-acknowledgement of PTSD in the Psych world, I was fortunate to find a doctor in the 90's who was astute enough to recognize that I really wasn't bi-polar or manic but that I was damaged from the continual rape I experienced at the ages of 5-6. Once I was able to recognize the source of my screwed up life, I then started climbing upwards. Having said that, I don't believe there is a healing of this enemy of ours; but we can rise above it.This is a battle that has gone on with me for 58 years. I still have issues with dealing with others outside of my circle. I still have trust issues but I am not the suicidal, depressed, lost soul I once was. Is there healing? Yes. Is there a cure? Short of technology going in and rewiring/resetting our brain and psyche......no.

Blessings,
Surefoot

Surefoot, I like what you shared too!
For me, I have conquered “the mind”, no longer thinking of the events that I have experienced or letting them ruin my day.
I’m better at “that was then” and knowing I have a very safe and good life.
What still happens...is the feeling in my body when I’m faced with an event on the news that is very close to an event I have experienced. I’ve almost conquered this!
But what is the most difficult for me now, is knowing that my children are just starting to come to grips with what also happened to them. They are now adults with young children.
I know that they are going through very similar emotions that I have had.

I am respecting their right to talk to me about what their experience was...when THEY want to.
I have realized that they may need to feel angry.
Back in the 1980s I was told by a counselor to “protect your children and allow them to grow up normal...don’t even tell their teachers.”
I was told that “pressing charges and going to trial would be worse than the actual ‘molestation’.”
I was told by the county attorney that this “was completely out of our hands.”
I was told by a counselor that I “could best help my daughter”... I worked very hard to help her with puppet therapy, drawing and a doll.

Our mistake was not talking about “these happenings” as a family, or about what we did when we found out.

My first husband and I did everything right. We listened, we believed and we reported. We took our child to a doctor. It was reported. We talked personally to the county attorney, deputy sheriff and the head of social services. We were told it would be sent to the county where the “perpetrator” lived.
We “fell through the cracks”. I still do not know why or if this man we once trusted and cared about was interviewed.

My first husband and I got divorced...he fell in love with his coworker, the woman I was glad that he could talk with her about this very difficult part of our child’s life.
And when he had his time with our children, he continued to bring our children to see his mother at holidays and her birthday...who was married to this man we once trusted and cared about.
I know and believe he made sure that our children were never alone with him. He was a good dad, and he was a son who couldn’t say no to his mother.
I would check in with our children when they got back home. I also gave them the option of not going to their house. But children want to see their cousins and children don’t want to disappoint their parents.
Two of my children grew up thinkig that “no one really believed them”. They couldn’t understand why everyone acted normal around “this man we once trusted and cared about”.

And they are now angry.
And I do not blame them.
If any of my children bring any of this up, my words will be “tell me more”. If they need to shout at me, I will be “bullet proof”. I have been told by my counselor that “this is the way they will be less victim and regain a sense of personal power.”
And it makes sense...I too had to get angry. I had to look at my own “traumatic happenings” through adult eyes and realize my right to be believed and protected.
I didn’t realize I would say this much in response to your post.
I think what I am experiencing at this moment is not a trigger or related to PTSD. This is appropriate regret, grief and anger that what happened so many years ago is still affecting the lives of my children. I will try to help with all that they need & I will have to wait until they let me know what they need to heal.
This man we once trusted and cared about is dead.
Always believe your child. And I realize now that a family needs to continue to touch base with each other about “what happened”.
Don’t let “it” become the elephant in the room that everyone pretends is not there.
I’d give anything for a do-over.
 
I just read an article on here that I think is pretty brilliant and then my heart sank at the end when read that common phrase, "There is no cure." I don't want to undermine the usefulness of the article so I'm going to write my thoughts on this specific point here.

I cringe whenever someone says, "there is no cure" about anything. The only thing that I think we could accurately say that there is no cure for is death - and even then, there is some gray area about when someone is considered legally dead, clinically dead, etc. We've all heard accounts about people being revived. If someone is in the grave, I feel confident that they aren't coming back. But if someone has flat-lined in a hospital, there is still hope. My point: Even with death, it's not all black and white.

Unless someone is God, I don't think it's their place to assert, "There is no cure" as a blanket statement to everyone with PTSD. And even then, the "Atheists Unite" forum could still argue against it.

When someone says "there is no cure for XYZ," I would argue that a more accurate statement is, "I am not aware of a cure" or that a particular field of study has not found a cure at this present time. Although the brain's response to trauma has evolved since humans existed, "PTSD" is still a fairly new diagnosis. In a way, we are all pioneers in how to deal with it. "There is no cure" sounds like "It is impossible to cure." How do you really know that?

Maybe this is just semantics but I feel it is important to discuss this because the statement of "There is no cure" for anything has the power to unnecessarily deflate someone's hope. I never want to take someone's hope away or limit what they feel is possible for them.

There are also so many people with PTSD with various levels of severity. For me, my PTSD worsened when I experience a second trauma 20 after the initial traumatic experience, and THEN it finally got diagnosed. I'm not sure how far my personal journey of healing will take me but what about someone who has a one time trauma and is diagnosed early and seeks treatment right away? Perhaps it is possible for them to resolve it completely with the best treatment for them.

There are many illnesses that have a cure, where it was said at one time that there is no cure. I hope that some day, the same will be said for at least some instances of PTSD and then treatment will progress from there. I'd hate to see a situation where complete resolution of PTSD is possible for someone but they resort to just accepting the status quo because someone in authority told them there is no cure.

The way that I choose to look at it is that, again, we are pioneers of this diagnosis. If someone wants to believe for themselves that there is no cure for them, I'll let them believe that. Maybe that belief is more constructive for them in coping with and improving their symptoms. However, maybe someone else needs to believe that a cure is possible. Maybe that belief is more constructive to their healing journey for them. Even if they do not find "a cure," perhaps reaching for a higher goal will result in a better outcome.

All of us here with PTSD are all very different. One person's attitude about how they choose to see their prospects for healing is not necessarily better than another. However, I respectfully wish that people would not make inaccurate, blanket statements and apply them to everyone with PTSD.

Thanks for listening. Rant over.
That was the first thing my doctor told me. A positive attitude to get better what ever that is helps. But at this time we are in there is not a cure because a cure means science knows what to do. They don't. Keep working and working to get better. The only defeat is in quitting.
 
It’s a scientific fact.

Well, until science makes new discoveries.

Generally, I'm of the opinion that it is not helpful to be rigid in our thinking about anything. Like Math. I always thought that Math was this one great constant. Then I saw this video that explained how a certain equation was solved. The narrator used the order of operations to solve it, only not everyone is taught the order of operations. If you don't use that "rule" to solve it, then you get a completely different answer.

There's so much we don't know. And we (humankind) are (is) just muddling our way through.
 
I don’t understand why everyone is getting so hung up on there being no cure for ptsd?

I think these people need to go pull out their CBT skills...probably the ones about catastrophising, using black/white thinking instead of shades of grey, and probably a few others.

I think if you’re letting this affect your healing, then you’ve got a few big fish to fry before you can move forward, one of them being not letting this cure VS healing thing derail you.

Yes, this is just one big derailment so that you can focus on something else and avoid working on your own stuff. Maybe you should work on your avoidance issues and examine why you’re getting so sidetracked by this? Because yes, focusing on this is just wasting time that you could be using to heal. I say this as someone who knows we have far too few spoons. Why are you wasting your spoons on this?
 
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