Um, Wowza?

[Britt.f7]

For me, having children at all was partly about defeating the abuse in generations of my family.

Same here.

Being abused from so early an age makes me see children as sexual beings

Me too. I can't even look at "cute" pictures when I think an adult is posing the child as provocative. Let the kids be kids I say.

 

[Whitneys story]

This is so sick! I saw this am on the news.

 

[Whitneys story]

start laughing

Anni the laughing is good at the idiots that created this thing and also the ones that buy one!
And just think of how many posts are going to count from this thread!

Love it, Whitney

 

[Shellbell]

I totally disagree it's okay to encourage breast feeding with a doll like that aimed at young girls aged 4,5,6 years old. Yes, breast feeding is natural, but not for a young child to be simulating.

This doll is age inappropriate and steps way over the boundaries of behaviours to be encouraged and acted out in young children.

Yes breast feeding is good and is something for older teenagers and young adults to become aware of as a better alternative to bottle feeding. That is the age to be educating young women on adult matters, particularly related to certain areas of the body.

 

[Abstract]

I think different opinions are very healthy Stenni. I also have to disagree totally though.

One of my thoughts is that this doll's existence could be due to people having a political agenda re breast feeding. To me the bottle/breast debate is totally irrelevant here and what is is age appropriate treatment of little girls. When it comes to breast feeding politics I don't see it as people thinking breasts are for sex and not for dinner. I personally don't know anyone who chose bottle feeding for that reason. They did it because of circumstances, pain, inability to breast feed , time and work constraints or because of triggers. And I know many who are shamed and bullied for their choices. My one friends child was dangerously underweight and 6 months down the line and loosing weight and still the militant midwife shamed and bullied her. She was a first time mother and although I use the term lightly she was traumatised by the whole incident.

I believe adult women should feel good about breast feeding and think its healthy to discuss it but don't believe little children should be relating actions like this to their own bodies at such a young age. Or to be seen visually by others in such an adult role that relates to their bodies. Procreation is for adults and children playing with dolls in general is different as it is not directly linked to their own bodies.

Concepts are fine for young children but more is damaging in my opinion.

 

[anni]

Yes, and especially in this forum- it's absolutely awesome to be able to express varying opinion without everyone going 'Poof'. :) PTSD is nothing if not a recipe for reactivity on Ricter-Level scales.

I was extremely lucky to have had my youngest at age 40, or out of my mind. Both. Then-husband wished to be educated so we went to 'classes' where we became acquainted with a wholeeeee school of thought I'd been clueless on with the other 3. I breast fed all of them, no biggie, my choice. This class? Kind of taught awfully, awfully young parents ( I was already termed an 'elderly pregnancy, which I offered my OBGYN money to not leave on the medical records. She declined. ) it would be a death sentence a. to not go through natural childbirth and b. to not breast feed. WELL. Should have seen Fat Anni in that class with her hand up. I just announced that the first conversation I'd had with my OB was THERE WILL BE NO PAIN, the second was that the first time I got bitten in the boob, that'd be the end of the nurturing portion of this child's infancy as far as my mammaries were concerned.I was NOT popular with Teacher, it's just that there was zero balance there- hated to see these round-eyed kids swallowing all this dreck without at least going home and finding their own sources of 'balance', you know? Hee- should have heard the portion where teacher told alllll the hubbies in the class that THEIR job was to talk the mom's OUTTT of asking for pain meds, if she changed her mind on natural childbirth part-way through labor. ( This was NOT supposed to be a natural childbirth class-just a childbirth education class )I was like WHOA now, hold on here people! I told all the hubbies well, ok, it's your marraige but if any of you ever, ever want to have sex again as long as you live, might wish to rethink this last point. Then-Husband said n o t h i n g, being uncharacteristically wise that day.

This all needs to be choice, and the woman's choice, based on an educated, balanced decision by HER. A teeny girl doesn't have the desire for the information yet, and should not be given tools with which to start the conversation. Let her play. Soccer would be my choice there anyway, but that's just me. Show a little girl a doll, and a ball to kick through some mud and believe it or not, she's getting muddy as the first choice.

 

[intothelight]

I was like WHOA now, hold on here people! I told all the hubbies well, ok, it's your marraige but if any of you ever, ever want to have sex again as long as you live, might wish to rethink this last point. Then-Husband said n o t h i n g, being uncharacteristically wise that day.

I have forgotten my unwritten rule about reading any of your posts with a beverage unless I want to laugh so hard it is in my sinuses for the day! :roflmao:

It is funny because after having four children and breast feeding them all, it was perfectly normal for one of the kids to grab a doll, sit next to me and imitate me by feeding their doll. The doll didn't have "special" attachments, and I think it is ridiculous to promote breastfeeding to little girls. If they imitate what they see at home or at a friends house, that is one thing; but this whole thing seems to have an agenda that is inappropriate for children.

All mothers should have a choice and be respected for this choice, but when they are of age to actually make that choice.

Needed to add one thing..I have a friend who had six boys and when she would nurse, the younger boys also imitated her. I guess the point is, all the children were learning about being a nurturing parent by seeing it in action. That is all they need to learn at that age.

 

[Britt.f7]

if she changed her mind on natural childbirth part-way through labor.

That's so funny. I had my boys in my 30's. The first one I had an epidural. For the second one I wanted just something to take the edge off. Didn't have a chance for that, went from 0 to 100 in 20 minutes. The nurses and doctor wasn't even ready for it. In fact my doctor didn't make it to the event. Both of my sisters had natural childbirth and told me that was the only way, as if reducing pain was wrong and you couldn't still deliver a baby. Well, now that I've experienced it both ways, I'll tell you what I told that medical staff delivering my baby..."Natural childbirth is way overrated!" lol

 

[anni]

Ha, Britt, SAMEEE thing here! In point of fact, I feel HUGELY my first divorce can be pretty much pin-pointed to the day my second son was born. He's friggin 31, but do I remember it WELL? H*ll yea. My first had been an emergency C, so the doc said i'd have nother one. I was like COOL!! In my opinion as big, fat wuss, a C section meant you went to sleep and woke up with a baby and some very nice medication. Hee. ( I can hear the feminazis screaming NOOOOOOOOO!! ) WELL! Got to hospital ( the UK ) and this terrifying nurse SWOOPED on the surgeon, I heard her b*tching at him out in the hall. He came in and said ' Ok, well, if you haven't had your baby in 5 hours, we'll do the C ', and then FLED, the pussy. Then Nurse Ratchett came in, said 'WE are going to have a BABY!', hooked up the labor enhancing meds, told me ( seriously ) I couldn't HAVE any pain meds and yep- WE had an 8 1/2 pound baby via natural childbirth. I don't believe in natural childbirth. Now I REALLY don't believe in natural childbirth. My EXhusband, who had been flirting with another ( pretty ) nurse through-out said ( no lie ) " Didn't you make an awful lot of noise in there? " AND Pretty Nurse AGREED with him. Whoa. To this day, if I ever contemplate taking anyone out with a machete and soft-ended mallet, it'd be him. The next baby, looked the OB between the eyes, every, single appointment and said ' There will be no pain'.

Natural Childbirth is supposed to make you bond with your baby but I'll tell you what- I'd have been a WHOLE lot happier to say hello to the little guy if I hadn't wanted to take out his father.

 

[anni]

Oh, ps, just saw that, ITL sorry! You know, a LOT of people pay good money for those sinus washes, it's supposed to be really helpful. :D