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Sexual Assault Unwanted Self-Sexual Acts: Is It Sexual Assault?

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to me it can be threats but it can also be going on at someone after they've said no and making them feel bad for not doing it

It’s like if someone asked you to jump off a cliff, would you do it?

And for the sake of argument, it really doesn’t matter if it’s a totally safe cliff-diving cliff that people constantly jump off of, or if it’s a hurtle to your probable death cliff. Either way? YOU do not want to do it.

Someone saying “I won’t be your friend unless you jump off this cliff,” …isn’t not having a choice. It’s not coercion. Nor duress. It’s making a choice, to attempt to keep a friend by jumping, even though they clearly don’t have your best interests at heart. Yes, refusing to jump off a cliff means you lose a friend, if they won’t be your friend anymore unless you do it. That’s the cost of making decisions.

Being afraid someone won’t be your friend unless you jump of the cliff is even less coercive. And it’s twice the decision making. Once, deciding what they will or will not do, twice, if you decide to jump off the cliff.

Deciding to jump off of a cliff because you don’t want to lose someone’s friendship? Whether they’ve stated that, or you’ve decided it? Is different than being pushed off the cliff. Or a gun held to your -or someone else’s head- unless you jump.

how would you personally define being coerced?

For example?

- Prisoners are often coerced to perform sex acts on themselves or others, by guards & other prisoners. In order to avoid far worse (gang rape, being beaten, sentences extended, injury, maiming, & death).
- Gangs & Cartels often coerce people, in innumerable ways, to do just as many innumerable things.
- Abusers often coerce people to do one less violent thing, to avoid a more violent thing… or to protect someone else from experiencing the violent thing.
- People being tortured for information, are being coerced for that information.
- People whose family members have been kidnapped, or who are being tortured, in exchange for _____ are being coerced.
- People who are being trafficked are being coerced. (Whether they’re being trafficked for sex, labor, or criminal activity.)
- Children, who are told that their parents/siblings/pets/etc. will be killed, if they don’t XYZ do not have the ability to determine the likelihood of that, so are being coerced.

Duress & Coersion are not feeling sad that someone might not be your friend, anymore.

Peer pressure, people pleasing, wanting A to be true instead of B, embarrassment, etc. are powerful motivators. But they are also issues of self confidence. Not immediate threats to life, or very real danger to yourself or others.
 
If it helps at all? Try thinking of it as the difference between

Coerce
Convince

Coerce is to persuade by force.
Convince Is to persuade by idea/beliefs.

They’re both complicated in their own right. In different ways. Which is worse? Extremely arguable. Meaning either can easily be worse than the other, depending on the circumstance involved.
 
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Coerce is to persuade by force.
Convince Is to persuade by idea/beliefs.
I've read from a domestic abuse charity and been told by counsellors that coercion can be threats or force or being persuaded someone going on at you.
 
being persuaded someone going on at you

People pressuring you into sexual activity are sleazy, but if they don't threaten or physically force you or create an atmosphere where your consent is invalid (such as keeping you captive or legal cognitive impairment etc) it isn't assault. Is it abusive? Absolutely. Could they be charged with a crime? As far as I am aware, no.

Especially as I understand it this person is online, so you have the option at any time of closing the browser if you're uncomfortable.

From a legal standpoint you're engaging with this activity willingly, because you keep opening up the browser, chatting to him, and he is persuading you to do it and probably guilt tripping you and playing on your people pleasing tendencies (as he is not even physically present when you do these things).

Abusive? Yes. But I cannot see any court convicting him of anything. It's not illegal to be a douchebag, unfortunately.
 
I don’t find any benefit in calling one thing another.

I don’t find any benefit in calling one thing another.

As the fish being called a bird? Loses all of its complexity and power.

‘Words are more powerful weapons than all the iron implements in all the arsenals of the world.’

Convincing someone to do something, they’d rather not do? Or even more extraordinarily, to change hearts and minds, so they desire it with every fiber of their being? Is a powerful and complex thing.

- Revolutions are born of the power of such words.
- Countries survive or die, off of them. The govt convincing it’s people of its right and ability to rule them.
- Both massive organised religions and cults are built upon them.
- Sorrows are lessened or created, tempers lit or cooled, hearts won or broken, minds inspired or locked down.
- Relationships between individuals are shaped by them.

The ability to convince another?
The ability to be convinced?

Complex.
Powerful.

Until it tries to hide in the shadow of coercion, or any other thing it’s not. Then one loses all the complexity, and all the power, and it becomes a weak, dead, and dismissed thing. As coercion & conviction are two very different things.

‘A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion, still.’

You can convert by the sword, and rule by terror & secret police, take hostages, beat into submission…Coercion is its own complex & powerful thing. But with very different components, means, & ends; than truly convincing a person, or a people… of anything except to rebel against, or overthrow you, or to lay down and die.

Mix the two things up?

You’ve got a dead fish, and a drowned bird.

I prefer to call a thing what it is, and deal with the live creature in its element.
 
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so how would you explain convincing
(in a more simple way please, if you respond, i got a bit lost with all the words sorrows revolutuions birds fish)
 
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