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Relationship Update On My Ptsd Situation

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For example, today she texted me saying "bring me lunch." and when I declined I got blocked on Facebook again and got an 11 text rant on how I'm a dick and she can't believe she dated me and wants me to stop talking to her. I know that's neurotic behavior and I know that tomorrow or the next day she'll be desperate to talk to me. I mean, every Thursday she's blocked me on Facebook for the last three weeks. By tomorrow or Sunday she'll be desperate to talk to me because she'd done that for the last three weeks too.

Lets break this down: She "demands" lunch. You decline (good for you.). She retaliates by blocking you, then harrassing you. * this is an abusive pattern*

She then blocks you on a thursday until sunday, every week for 3 weeks. *pattern of abuse... punishment* This also raises an alarm bell that she frees up her weekends from you and your good enough for weekdays.

Then she comes back . Rinse and repeat. *abuse pattern*

Is this abuse? YES. Is this PTSD related? Hard to say but I doubt it. Are these head games? You bet your ass they are.

My advice either set really good boundaries with clear cut consequences (which you must follow through on) to end this pattern of behavior or get out.

Best of luck.
bec
 
Boy, I really don't like hearing "Sense of Power" when talking about a supposedly loving relationship. That's exactly the kind of relationship that it seems PTSD is created by.
Bear

Explain this, please. Are you implying that I could develop PTSD from this? Or that PTSD victims seek this kind of relationship chemistry. I just want to make sure I understand your point correctly.

I'm not sure if any of this is helping. I think I am trying to say that I have used power and control in relationships harmfully before, and being knocked off my pedestal is generally a good thing for my personal growth. It is somehow harder to grow a sense of self when you feel like you are constantly trying to control the actions of others. It teaches little self-discipline and too many bad habits.

When I talked to my dad about this, I kept giving the same point which is that women ultimately want a man to be a man. It's a sad comparison but it's almost comparable to a little kid who is rebellious. Ultimately he subconsciously wants correction because he wants his parents to be his parents, but emotionally he does not comprehend it. Ultimately every time I've given this girl a "what for" she's kicked and screamed a bunch but come back for more.

She then blocks you on a thursday until sunday, every week for 3 weeks. *pattern of abuse... punishment* This also raises an alarm bell that she frees up her weekends from you and your good enough for weekdays.

It's a little different, though. Ultimately what I've always gotten was her desperate to talk to me on the weekends. She doesn't have a social life or people to do things with and her family confirms that to me. Thursday through Sunday are days that I've held out on her and thrown up the boundaries (at least in the last two weeks). It's Tuesday through Thursday that are the bad days. But, you're right it's complete abuse and it's not tolerable.

She did not used to be this way. In fact, up until 3 weeks ago she was never this way. However, when I first met her she was this way towards her mom. After we started dating, their relationship improved. Now she's got a new punching bag. She's also (according to her mom) just started being this way towards her sister (who's been very close to her). She's dyed/cut her hair three times since we broke up. She doesn't look the same (in her eyes).

Ultimately, this girl is codependent on me. She can't help but communicate with me on a daily basis. She manipulates things to communicate with me (start fights, etc.) I mean, for two days she's been harassing me about giving back her house key? There are about 20 other things of her's that are more important to her, that I have. Why isn't she asking for those? Exactly.
 
OK bottom line 8track.

She is using you as doormat, and you are excepting it. So go ahead, be a doormat and let her manipulate you anyway she can.

But stop making excuses for her behavior, it is out of line and you seem to think that some time, some one on here is going to tell you it OK for her to do all this and maybe more.

Have you ever seen a man with a black eye and a puncture wound in his chin, where his so called loving wife stabbed him. I saw a friend of mine being treated badly for years, and no PTSD involved, she was just that way inclined.

So sorry, no one is going to say it's fine to be shown no respect, and ill treated like this, because you let her keep doing it.

It is not going to happen, ever.

IMHO

Amethist
 
Amethiest,
I'm not excusing the behavior or calling it anything other than abusive.

I'm not looking for someone to tell me what I want to hear.

What I am looking for is appropriate understanding of what is "acting out of the disorder" or what is just plain BS. The entire reason I've put up with as much as I have and allowed myself to be a "doormat" is because of what I read on this site. I gave her space, accepted the boundaries, understood that someone might say something "hurtful" and not to take it personally.

So no, I'm not trying to live in fairytale land. I'm trying to not act ignorantly.

The general consensus is that she's acting out of line, and so far...I haven't gone back like a whimpy puppy.
 
What I am looking for is appropriate understanding of what is "acting out of the disorder" or what is just plain BS

Like pain is a symptom of an injury, so is 'acting out' a symptom of whatever so called "abuse" she may feel in her life... it doesn't give her an excuse to act the way she's acting... that's just plain being a pain in the *** and you're allowing it.

I kept giving the same point which is that women ultimately want a man to be a man.

I'm a girl who wants a 'man to be a man' and a real man no matter what my condition would NOT put up with my fits... "Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice, Shame on Me!"
 
Boy, I really don't like hearing "Sense of Power" when talking about a supposedly loving relationship. That's exactly the kind of relationship that it seems PTSD is created by.

Explain this, please. Are you implying that I could develop PTSD from this? Or that PTSD victims seek this kind of relationship chemistry. I just want to make sure I understand your point correctly.

1) Abusers (and yes some of them have out of control PTSD) often abuse because of severe needs to play power games. (IE. Abuse involving power games is very dangerous.) Of course, I'm NOT a P so this is just an opinion.
2) PTSD is not catchable in the sense that it sounds like you are talking. It occurs due to specific ingredients. Abuse is one of those ingredients. Sometimes the abuse can appear tiny (in a relative sense). But it has many indredients (I don't know them all to list. Again not a P) and they conspire to amplify the abuse at the core.
3) PTSD is often a pattern disease. The pattern that happens to the sufferer often occurs over many years. Their defenses may have been torn down for years in advance.
4) Actual love doesn't play those games.
5) Abused disorders don't have end in PTSD. It is just one possible end point. But severe combinations are often going to have psychological ramifications. Even largely knowing Angel's history, the P's kept changing the diagnosis. Maybe it is a question of how the mind is going to break.

About seeking "relationship chemistry" of powere games. The disease did not make the person. PTSD just twists some parts of that person and it appears hard to tell what parts will be effected and in what ways. Some have the relationship issues before they develop PTSD. Some appear to get it due to the PTSD. Others may never even consider power games. I know of some sufferers on here who I don't think ever plated a power game and never will.

Finally, every person in the world is made different. Our perceptive abilities are often twisted by how we got to where we are. I am confident that I personally have some kind of P Disorder. Chances are that it will never be named or diagnosed. It's something that the world seems to be able to tolerate pretty well, but it leaves me often mis-perceiving. You seem strangely vulnerable to something in your situation. Outside eyes can often idscern things that eyes too close to a situation can't. A counselor might help you know your situation better.

Wow, how can someone who knows so little write so much... Given that I'm admittedly Psycho and Ignorant, does heavily with salt.

Bear
 
1) Abusers (and yes some of them have out of control PTSD) often abuse because of severe needs to play power games. (IE. Abuse involving power games is very dangerous.) Of course, I'm NOT a P so this is just an opinion.
2) PTSD is not catchable in the sense that it sounds like you are talking. It occurs due to specific ingredients. Abuse is one of those ingredients. Sometimes the abuse can appear tiny (in a relative sense). But it has many indredients (I don't know them all to list. Again not a P) and they conspire to amplify the abuse at the core.
3) PTSD is often a pattern disease. The pattern that happens to the sufferer often occurs over many years. Their defenses may have been torn down for years in advance.
4) Actual love doesn't play those games.

Some have the relationship issues before they develop PTSD. Some appear to get it due to the PTSD.

I know, like Bear, there is something not quite right within me and everything quoted above is a part of that - but I don't believe I have to continue to be a product of it.

I can think of 4 significant relationships which only one I know for a fact has been diagnosed with PTSD.

My father - diagnosed with Polio in his leg when he was five, came from a very 'hard to handle' family, has never been able to truly work or be active because of his deformity which has also messed up his back and other leg his entire life, has worked hard to 'change his ways' and believes he can be different than his family YET he still abuses. Not physically, but he is very manipulative, he used to not apologize, he'd say horrible horrible things to us when we were little, trying to put fear into us was his way of guiding. In retrospec, it did the complete opposite on my self esteem. He's gotten a lot better but it definitely has taken me a very long time to accept that that was Dad and the way he was raised, his stuff, it didn't need to be mine.

Long time prior to me acknowledging that, however, the first summer I moved away from home I let a guy into my life who seemed really nice, was exciting, but little by little it got worse. I don't really know now what attracted him to me accept that I was homesick and so he would build me up, then he "took" my virginity from me, hold that over me, the building up wouldn't last long and then he'd tear me down first verbally then physically. That relationship ended with him choking me and in the sec he adjusted his hands over my throat, I gasped for a quick breath and hit him as hard as I could and rolled away.

Next several years a blur till I realized watching a commercial that I was depressed and needed help.

Fast forward 7 years - Next ex, similar thing only I was a lot more confident and my relationship with my Dad and family had improved a GREAT deal, and so did my foundation for my beliefs. This ex was attracted to my confidence, but being from an unloving father who cheated on his mom and abused her, though he knew it wasn't right, he still would be overcome by this darkness and the abuse would begin. Little by little I allowed it to break me down. I became very co-dependent in this relationship. The stress was literally killing me. I was sick for weeks on end over the course of 2 years. We'd had our good moments, everything would be fine, but the cheating, and the verbal, some physical abuse would start and it was always my fault. It was only a couple of times that we finally were away from each other because he decided to go on a trip - alone - that I started to put all my thougths back together, pack up and move out and to another state with all I could fit in my car, $300 in my pocket, my bike strapped to the top of my car, and my dog in the seat next to me. He didn't have PTSD, but he had a learned behaviour that was unacceptable but he didn't see it. God saved me, I truly believe, and I vowed never to be that sort of fool or weak again.

Fast forward 3 years of essential freedom in relationships and I meet my most recent ex/boyfriend. Diagnosed PTSD from 2 years in Iraq ending with him getting blown up. I thought I was healed but I realized that the anxiety that was striking me, mine diagnosed as slight trauma with anxiety and depression, wasn't because of now, it was because of not completely healing the past. My current situation has PTSD and I can seperate that. The 'relationship' aspect of this is too much good on top of bad stress - the PTSD cup stuff. The reason I can seperate the PTSD which is reachable to manage - the nightmares, the anxiety, the paranoia and shadow reenactments, etc. - is because HIS dad TOO has to a "T" Antisocial Personality Disorder (thanks to Angel for nailing that one on the head). Now that I know better, I don't tolerate when he tries to be a 'pig' so to speak. I don't necessarily 'walk away' like out the door but I just say 'unacceptable and hurtful'. I refuse to take responsibility for this ugliness and put my shields up so not to let it affect me. Being as he has diagnosed PTSD is a blessing in disguise, too, and his relationship with his dad is full throttle so though he strives for acceptance he also rebels like crazy where my other ex had no contact for the majority of our relationship. (Uphill battle) I don't show emotion because it will upset both sides, but I refuse to believe he's this person. Capable of it - oh yes! We all are, but just as it is a learned behaviour it can also be changed if willing.

"Sorry for the long vent/story but my point, along with what Bear touched on is YES. Maybe you can handle what you are going through right now, but it can break you down and make you more susceptible to repeated abuse by others even down the road... Not that you would necessarily get PTSD but suffer from overly exposed abuse, ANXIETY yes. You are in a position right now to A) Stand up for yourself, B) Save your strength and take care of yourself, and C) Seperate yourself from what is just plain abusive and save yourself from long term suffering due to co-dependency."
 
Well, guys. Just an update.

We had a in person chat after our little explosion. She apologized, things were great for...a day. Then the same sort of petty abuse happened again. Apology. Very next day (today), the same thing. More volitile, more offensive, etc.

I sent her a message tonight saying I have to back off. That things were taking a toll on my health. I got more abuse. Not even worth repeating. Just even more volitile. I let her know that I loved her and that I've treated her well but that she's got things she needs to work through and I won't put up with her actions any more. She's harassed my phone since. She's losing control and can't handle it.

Anyway, I really am done. I've lost 12 pounds in 3 weeks. Nice, but not healthy. I hate to do this the week of graduation and I hate to do this in general but I'm only hurting her by tolerating this any more. I don't know who she is anymore and I doubt she does either.

Not to be a downer. I feel great...relieved.

I also found out today that she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, manic depression, PTSD and OCD when she was admitted into the mental institution in September. They wanted to house her for 3 - 5 months but her mom took her out and put her with a psychiatrist who said the meds were hurting her and that she only had PTSD and OCD. Not sure I think this is necessarily bi-polar. Just thought it was interesting. Maybe I dated her during a hypomanic period?
 
Good for you 8track. You tried, you put up healthy boundaries and you enforced them. That is all healthy. I'm sorry it had to end like this but no one deserves that abuse for any reason whatsoever. Go and treat yourself for putting yourself first.

bec
 
A friend gave me really great advice. He said,

"You have to resist the urge to make rational sense out of irrational behavior. It's like trying to understand perversity. You can't as a normal person. You can learn compassion, but empathy? No way. That would mean personally opening yourself up to insanity which is not your job."

I would keep trying to bend over backwards trying to see her point of view on each issue she would blow up about. But in the end I'd step back and look at the pettiness of the issue and the over-reaction to it and think..."Why am I allowing myself to be guilty for these things?". Pretty soon it would likely have gotten to the point where me wearing shorts today is the cause of her being late for work next Monday, you know?

I'm still going to keep researching this issue and stay on the forum because...let's be honest...I probably haven't seen the last of her. I also realize that because of my parents' issues, I'm going to always be vulnerable to this kind of relationship. I might as well do my homework.

I feel like sometime in the future she's going to look back on this, read some of those messages and go, "Wow...I really blew it". But without a HUGE apology and some openness to heal I won't have any more contact with this girl.
 
I believe that you have just done the greatest thing you could have to help the girl you love and to help yourself. I support you and applaud your steps toward self-care.
(((the8track)))
 
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