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What Do You Mean By "dissociation"?

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Others (joeylittle, 7Cs, Friday) have mostly covered it, but here is my short spiel for when I need to explain dissociation:
Dissociation happens on a spectrum. On one end, you have zoning out for a second, or driving someplace on autopilot - these things are normal.
If you get hurt more badly than you can deal with, dissociating becomes a coping mechanism - you survive by checking out from reality. This helps you survive, but after you are no longer being hurt, this habit sticks around and interferes with life. You lose time and have trouble staying present. It affects different people to different degrees. For me, it is a significant problem, but I do not have the most intense form of dissociation (DID).
 
the scene from the flashback overlays the current scene I am in. Kind of like those transparent pictures of angels on top of scenery.

OMG Yes, this. What a fantastic way to describe it!!!!!!! I'm in the flashback, but I'm also still in the present. I'm aware of, and experiencing both. I have to literally talk myself out of the flashback (well, yell myself out of it).

I also have big chunks of amnesia, like months of autopilot time, where I know I was physically going through my day.... but I have no memories of anything non-traumatic (I only remember the trauma, or sometimes only the emotion, then.... nothing????? Lost time again).

The driving & pills things described by @joeylittle are a daily experience for me.

Isn't ptsd awesome?!? :meh::banghead::bawling::wacky:
 
I'm not sure where this lands but somebody asked about what makes you feel "at home". I look around and none of this feels " mine ". Like I don't belong here. Does that make any sense? Logically I know it is but I can't wrap my head around it. I don't know how to change it. It happens in alot of scenarios involving my personal life. I have absolutely no problem with it at work.
Edited to add: It's very hard to explain. Like I'm at somebody else's house 90% of the time but logically I know it's mine.
 
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Ever since joining this site I've been on different levels of confusion when reading posts about...
From only my personal and private experiences with dissociation as an adult only are what I am able to share with you MisterCatLady. My sister remembers most all of the hideous and heinous details and horrific mind-blowing mental, physical and sexual abuse we both as little girls and very young girls (grade school too) and growing up together experienced and I remember so very little as doctors strongly believe I dissociated throughout most all of my little girl existence. Sister shared one such vile memory about me that she witnessed and I have no memory of this despicable event occurring to me, which fuels doctors believing that I dissociated through these horrific traumatic events.

However, I do have fragments (fractured) and pieces of our childhood's dark and nearly core being destroying memories still intact. The physical and sexual abuse and beatings and torture as a little girl I have very few memories of and my sister has most all of our horrendous memories intact and she has not sought but one session of therapy, last we spoke. We at present do not have contact and doctor says he believes it's because she remembers most - if not all of the horrible abuse we both suffered together, and also we were at times apart from one another in different rooms, vehicles, etc. Extreme mental and physical violence continued for me on up into and through my adolescence, and into adulthood, not for her that I am aware of, and I do remember most of the adult mental, physical, verbal and sexual abuse at this particular time of my life (but not all). Segments and periods of my adult life and time are distinctly missing. I drank and dissociated behind the wheel of my car for about an hour (was not blacked out for I did not crash) I was dissociated and became aware that I was lost in a county that was over an hour or so away from the county I lived in; had been out drinking with friends and they were in my car with me. Looking back, I could have killed us all. I drank to escape, yet back then I called it partying. In 1970 (?) was in backseat of car drugged/drunk and passed out - driver took stop sign as a 90 degree turn and we hit mountain. (58 stitches, hairline fracture, and concussion) as I was unwittingly trying so hard since I did not know the fullness and depth of the extreme abuse that lied beneath the surface of my mind's ability to keep all of it at bay until 1/18/96) escape the insanity of my black hell past. (Was misdiagnosed by this time and unable due to numbing rx's to deal with the violent trauma and abuse that was trying to surface) until diagnosis was corrected 3/2012) and rx's were discontinued except for a small amount of an anti-anxiety (1/2) I take at night and when I wake up in the middle of night another 1/2 pill).

As an adult the first time I was aware that my mind was able to protect me from hellish events and dissociate all on it's own (brain) was in a gastroenterologist's office on 1/18/96 when this now retired sexual pervert doctor decided to sexually assault me in his examination room and my brain (mind) shut off. Then I would be aware of his hands on my breast, and my brain again would shut off, and this occurred several times. The next time scenery changed is when I realized I was swinging my legs across examination table and was putting my feet on floor as I saw doctor standing in exam doorway with door open. I felt like I was in a dreamlike state mentally. As I passed the nurses and check-out station, I said calmly and matter of factly, "I've been raped." ...

The next time my brain dissociated was when I was planting flowers, after church in an apartment building's backyard garden, and a much older man approached me and sexually attacked me (began grabbing at my breast) and my brain just as it did in the gastro's office - shut off and I remember mentally telling myself come back, you must come back to protect yourself, and I came back he was still grabbing my breast. My brain dissociated again, and again I remember my voice within me (my will) saying go back you have to and I was again with him standing in the garden, and I told him to get away from me...

The next time I dissociated was when a car hit my bicycle a few years back and I remember at one moment being on my bicycle and seeing the car coming out of a side road, and the next conscious thought was that I knew my body was in the air and my bicycle was not under me anymore. Next conscious thought was when I was aware that I was supine on the pavement and people were all around me... (I dissociated two times during this car/bike crash).

As a little girl I was four and my sister was five and a half years old according to coroner records, and I dissociated many times as a little girl per my sister's vivid horrific recollections and in 1996, most all of my appalling and nearly unspeakable nightmares (that followed after dr. sexually assaulted me in his office) were my mind releasing despicable and core-crushing events of my little girl existence that me and my sister lived through. I remember (after reading coroner's report) that I saw through the window as they took my little four month old baby brother who had died suspiciously in his crib (child molester was in the home then).

I have not elaborated on the extreme childhood torture and violence, I am crying now, and I need to stop. I hope this helps you to some degree regarding my brief descriptions of my private hell experiences of dissociation. For this is my soul intent on this wonderful life-affirming forum - to share my experiences, strengths, shadows, valleys, and hopes and reach out to others. We whom now through this forum and all of the books and articles read; therapists; and TV national reports, etc. know that we are not mad and insane and WE ARE NOT alone with our nightmares, our hellish histories and near life-ending, and still at times life-crushing, cruel, intense, mind-bending events triggers and flashbacks we have lived through. My fervent yet for me at times shakeable belief that we (I) one second, one minute, etc. at a time can try to perhaps help someone else to try and only try to learn to live with the prolonged and complex trauma. I am consoled that some after extreme trauma are actually able to reclaim their core being and pursue goals, happiness, etc. That up to this point has not been case for me. I was told that my abuse history is one of the worst the therapist has ever heard reported (my sister went I believe one time, we do not talk) and her one appt. visit therapist also told her that her abuse history was one of the worst he had ever heard reported - that said I am taking off all of my masques on this forum's site to help me and hopefully help someone else. JadesJewel
 
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Its great you are figuring this out. I remember how helpful I found it when started understanding and finding words for these things. Others have explained it well.

There are probably hundreds of different types of experiences that I have that are dissociation. And I will probably continue having new ones. I seem to be very creative that way. ;)

A simple way I look at it is that one or more parts of myself/awareness of myself and the rest gets disconnected, Or one or more parts of my environment gets disconnected from my perception.

That can be a tiny bit of my consciousness (like driving from a to b and not remembering how I got there); it can be zoning out enough to feel like I've had a glass of wine and yet I am stone cold sober; it can be zoning out where I can't speak or move; it can be feeling aware but being outside my body looking down on myself; it can be not being able to feel my body; It can be not being able to feel emotion suddenly; it can be not being able to speak or use my vocal cords when I think I will be able to; it can be looking at my hand and it looks 10 times bigger than reality; it can be looking at the trees in my road and they look like they are made of plastic; it can be going into my flat and feeling like everything is strange and new and I have never seen it before; It can be loosing the control of my hand; or if someone has DID (where one part of the self is disconnected from the rest) then it can mean not remembering an experience when another part of themselves does remember. etc etc etc etc etc etc.

There are more unusual types like fugue where someone forgets their identity and all associated information for a lengthy period of time.

The other way I look at the zoning out types is various levels of consciousness. In certain ways like different levels in between fully awake and asleep.

I think of it as a trip switch. Its the brains way of compartmentalising to reduce overwhelm. Like someone else said here it can also become a habit for some. And personality dissociation happens when people are developing so is complex as a result.

Loosing chunks of time like you mention can happen because of meds and depression or it can happen because of the zoning out type of dissociation.(range of different levels of severity). Or it can happen because of personality dissociation where a different part of the person remembers it clearly even though that part doesn't. Hope that helps!
 
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oh wow-thanks. I always described it as "going on autopilot"-where I do rote things and don't even notice I'm doing them or that I did. I thought it was just normal. I've been dealing with PTSD for a while now, but never knew that blanking out over routine things was a form of dissociation. I used to even get in trouble with it as a kid and my mother pesters me about my bad memory-I even remember having to check my shoes to see if I tied them when she asked me at one point, and getting ranted at because I couldn't remember.

Learn a new thing every day I guess. At least now I know there's a reason behind why I can't remember if I ate today-and it's not early onset alzheimer's! *yay*

...it's the little things :P
 
I think of it as "something being there that shouldn't be" or "something not being there that should be" So that covers all the things JoeyLittle explained, and a few more.

Something being there that shouldn't
Flashbacks are the biggest example of this -( there is another question to asked around what a flashback is)
Pain that has no physical cause, sometimes called body memories
Random inexplicable emotions. I can wake filled with rage for no reason, and need to take time to calm down before inflicting myself on my family
Inner voices, specially highly critical ones
I also like the term "intrusion" to cover all this
I'd probably add the Identity confusion and alteration areas in here, though many people with DID would say their alters are welcome and should be there. For me it involves having two or more opposing views that run alongside each other

Something not being there that should be

Derealisation, which for me includes things going flat and out of 3-D, sounds being echoey and distant
Depersonalisation, where I have rarely had the classic watching myself from beside or above, but more often observing and commenting on myself
Amnesia where I have gaps in recall of specific traumas, but also finding things in odd places
Physical sensation. I have areas of my body that don't feel touch, and am often unaware of pain unless I specifically look for it.
The category of dissociation that I think is most often referred to within the forum fits here. It seems to be about being to some degree removed from a situation that is a source of stress or is triggering, and is probably mainly depersonalisation.
 
Really glad someone asked this, I have been scratching my head trying to figure this one out. After reading this, I think I do the same. When my stress levels get high, I often forget things I have done or said just minutes before. Not as often with verbal, but it happens. Some of it is worse than normal forgetfullness. When stress levels are most intense I just disappear completely into daydreams. I did that a lot as a child, and it was always attributed to ADHD. Then again... my T is convinced my PTSD originated in childhood. It is a little jaw dropping how much of my responses to things over the years make complete sense under a PTSD diagnosis. Just hoping that by understanding the how and the why of things will also help me with cognitive responses to it in the present and future. Thanks everyone for sharing.
 
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