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I work in obstetrics. I have been with a few hundred women as they've given birth - I've just about seen it all. Amongst those women have been women with severe anxiety and / or abuse issues. What I've learned is that you can never tell who will cope on the day and who won't - I had one client I was sure would struggle - she had several major psych diagnoses (as in MAJOR - 4 different personality disorders including paranoid - as well as possible Munchausens by proxy!). She had also experienced a stillbirth a year earlier and reacted to his birth at the time of the birth in a way that screamed of severe sexual abuse (amongst other things, she was crawling up the bed terrified yelling at those present trying to help her). So this time around, she was facing another birth and obviously huge potential for her last traumatic birth (stillborn baby) to rear it's ugly head also. The previous time she had tried to have an epidural to cope with the pain but due to complications it was not effective at all. So she had had to feel all the pain.

An epidural this time was also not going to be possible (way her back was). So she was needing to prepare for a very emotionally and mentally draining birth, with next to no pain relief, on top of all the other mental issues she had.

And you know what? She COUNTED. She tapped her hand and slowly, but deliberately counted out loud during every contraction. At the height of the contraction, the pain would take her breath away - she wasn't able to talk BUT she still counted. As the contraction eased off, we would again hear her return to counting out loud.

And she got through the entire birth without even using laughing gas (entonox). She coped better than most other women AND it was a healing birth for her.

I'm. It trying to discount any fear or distress you might be feeling about giving birth - I shared this because I wanted you to know it's very possible to cope, even if you aren't sure you can.

What is most important is that you MUST tell yr doctor / midwife / obstetric nurse your fears, your mental health issues (and especially if it invokes previous sexual abuse). And make SURE they spend a LOT of time IN ADVANCE going through a comprehensive birth plan with you a few weeks before your baby is due.

It's important those present to support you are aware you might find birth triggers you.and y come u with a plan where you feel in control. It would help if you can identify what you DONT want as well as what you might find helpful.

I work in a country that has one if the best models of birth care (internationally it is heralded for its care so it's not just me being biased lol): midwives work one on one with all women. Obstetricians are involved if there are complications; otherwise you will have the midwife and a back up. Both of whom the woman will have met already, and who stay for the entire birth (unless it is over 24 hours long in which case your main midwife will go home while the back up comes in to take over yr care). It's also a partnership model not a medical model - which means the woman is in full control of all the decisions made. it leaves women feeling empowered; birth is something they do rather than something that is done to them.


The ENTIRE maternity system is set up with WOMEN at the CENTRE of all care - it's recognised that when it comes to making decisions for her and her baby, SHE is the one who BEST knows what will work for her and her needs. It's the job if us professionals in. Providing our care to give the woman and her family all the information they need to enable THEM to make fully informed decisions. It puts the woman as the expert and goes a huge way in taking away the massive power I balance inherent in a. Lot of other medical models of care.

The primary goal in our maternity system is to enable women to take control over their experience and to strive to enable them to feel empowered. Even when things don't go as expected.


If your living somewhere where it's whoever turns up on the day to support you to birth, it's even more important yr wishes are respected. Don't feel bullied into doing anything you don't feel ok with just because "it's hospital policy". Take it upon herself to read widely, research and know all the pro's and con's about all aspects of labour care and birth practices. Knowledge is power - so is YOU being the one to make the decisions. (I am not saying ignore advice given to y by midwives / doctors by the way - but I am saying if you're not sure about something or have doubts or want to try something different, then trust your gut and be assertive).

I think making a plan (but acknowledging it needs to be flexible because there are so many variations in labour and birth it's I possible to make a concrete plan!) and feeling heard by your carers will go a long way in helping you feel more in control of whatever happens on the day.

(And I'd definitely recommend the counting / tapping thing!!!). Preparing your MIND is as important as preparing yr body to labour. Fear makes pain worse - so if you can work hard in mentally relieving fear, you will be able to cope very well. It also helps to remember that labour is the exact opposite of an entire lifetime of training - in every other aspect of yr life, being intense pain like that means something is very wrong and you must get immediate help. BUT - labour pain is the exception - nothing is 'wrong' - the pain lets you know your baby is coming, it lets you prepare and gather things that would help - support people etc.

Think back to cave woman days - or when you're little and hurting - what helps? In cave women days women would gather other women to be with them when giving birth. They'd go to a quiet spot in the dark and be gentle and rock their bodies from side to side, and to know it was all ok - the pain had a purpose and would not last forever. When you're little and hurt it helps to have someone to rub the sore spot, have a cuddle, and be told you're loved and that you're safe. That is also what a labouring woman needs. Darkened space, quiet, calm, reassuring.

If you don't have access known caregivers in labour then try finding a doula to help you emotionally on the day. Far more appropriate than your T being there (unless she is a doula).
 
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I'm trying to envision if there's a birth where the Mom doesn't dissociate. What's wrong with dissociation during birth? I did, and it allowed me to wall off the pain so I could focus my energy on pushing. The flood of bonding hormones brings women right out of it, even ones who suffered birth trauma.

Just a hunch, but does your therapist have kids? I'm guessing not.

Trust yourself. Women with severe PTSD have been giving birth since humans began giving birth. It's only recently some of us have been diagnosed prior to the experience.
 
I am SO APPRECIATIVE of the time you've all taken to respond so thoughtfully - THANK YOU!

I want to respond to a few points made - I possibly should have provided more info in the initial post...


Just a hunch, but does your therapist have kids? I'm guessing not.

Yes, she has two.

It sounds a little bit like your T framed it in a way that means there is something wrong with this.

I guess for me, as I'm sure is the case for most - being in control is incredibly important. Giving birth sounds to me like an incredibly vulnerable experience where an active and knowledgeable advocate would only be an asset. When I dissociate, I appear on the surface to be spaced out, non responsive and show physical signs of distress (heart rate rising, sweat dripping off my face, flushed face and neck, muscles tense). Once I've returned from this state that can last anywhere between 1minute to hours, I've been in another place in my mind - where I've been during a trauma. For example - I've been having pelvic pain when I roll over in bed - when I wake to this pain which feels like being stabbed in the vagina, I immediately go into a memory and struggle to return to the present. We've talked a lot about these dissociations/flashbacks marking a point where I go past my 'window of tolerance' which according to studies - has shown to be damaging rather than helpful.

Obviously I/we don't know if this is going to happen when I'm in labour. I just know that now when I have these dissociations/flashbacks in therapy - it's been over a year and I'm only just still able to hear and see my Therapist while being in another place. I don't know if I'm making sense. I just know that I want to be present and not having these horrible memories at a time that I want to be welcoming the most amazing and beautiful little person into my life and family.

whether your husband is supportive, and do you feel he is knowledgeable enough about PTSD to know how to support you by informing people that you may be dissociated and less responsive to them?

I think this is a really good point. We've talked about this a lot. At the moment, my husband is very good at helping me ground but he's not very good at seeing me in pain. I had an ectopic last year that ruptured and I nearly died - in the process, I had my tube removed and was in considerable plain for a few weeks. He did not cope at all.

do you have a history of becoming violent towards yourself or others when in a dissociated state?

I used to self harm to ground myself, but have not engaged in this coping strategy for over 5 years. No history of becoming violent towards others.

(I actually think dissociating while giving birth wouldn't be such a bad thing. I mean, they give you drugs for pain that kinda have the same effect.(mom of three here) Just saying.)

My birth intention is to have no intervention. No pain relief and no instruments. I guess my concerns about dissociation have been explained above.

rare but normal occurrence

As above :-)

The birth of my first child went for over 24hours (there were complications). If your therapist committed to you to be there would it be for the whole time and who would pay for her time (or loss of income) while being with you.

We didn't get to this point but I had assumed it would be similar to that of payment for a Doula. My Therapist is a bit different in that she works for a service where if she was 'out' for a day, a colleague would take her clients. She works with short term (2-3 sessions) per person and provides advice/referral. I am her only private/long term client.


How good is your husband with helping you ground?

She's fabulous. And at times sees the dissociative response before I feel it.

How good is your husband with helping you ground? A more effective use of your therapist could be in doing some sessions together with him to practice grounding, breathing, etc.

I think this is a really good idea and will raise it with her. Thank You.
 
@NovemberStar - I'm in Australia and going through the private system so I have an obstetrician who will be there when I give birth but not through the labour. The midwives at the hospital I may have met through the birth classes but may not.

What you're talking about with the tapping sounds an awful lot like a Calmbirth technique. I did two full day classes on the weekend with Peter Jackson and learnt visualisation/breathing/counting techniques that I plan on using leading up to and during labour/birth. I'm trying to be as prepared physically and mentally as possible.

I plan on telling my Obs about my history at every appointment but can't seem to get the words out. I hope above all hope that the birth goes absolutely to my 'intention' and no support from anyone but my husband is necessary - but I also don't want to be niaive in thinking I'm invincible and wishing I had someone else there.

You're post has given me a lot to think about and I really appreciate it.

Rach
 
If there are other people you can feel supported by then I'd encourage you to ask them to be there. It can be in the understanding that you could ask them to come (or go) at different times in labour. Each person might have a different role (rub your back, fetch ice water (for face cloths), hot water (for heat packs). It can be good for some partners too to have some of the pressure taken off them by being able to share the responsibility of emotional care.

Would be also good idea for you to broach the subject of a birth plan with your Dr sooner than later. In my experience, few doctors understand the importance of a 'birth plan' - they see it only in the terms of practical or physical comfort (ie pain relief) - but in reality it's much much much more about the emotional and mental aspects if labour. You need a dr who is on the same wave length as you - one who LISTENS and doesn't fob you off or invalidate your concerns - or say 'oh it's too soon to be talking about that!' - it's on yr mind and you are expressing a little anxiety about it, so it makes sense to begin one of many many many talks about it sooner rather than later.

You might need to talk through it one or two times and feel ok - or you might need to go over and over it again and again.

Again, I encourage you to research all your options. Some (many) doctors don't really like or appreciate how much labouring in the water can help a woman feel comforted and calm in labour. Some are dead set against the idea (granted if there are major complications prior to labour then it might not be safe for you or baby but if not, there is nothing risky about it). Being upright and mobile in labour. Being able to use a Swiss ball. Go for a walk around the hospital, having a shower, eating and drinking your own food and snacks (face it, hospital food sucks!).

Taking yr own pillow and blanket in. I had one woman who wanted a nice normal waterbirth at a small hospital which was very much like birthing at home -but circumstances meant instead she needed to birth at a big hospital. She needed to be induced and have a lot of medical interventions she had wanted to avoid. BUT to help her feel as in control as she could even though her 'plan' wasn't anything like she had hoped for - she still managed to incorporate the important things to her in the labour room. She bought with her posters of home made cards and photos and pinned them up around the hospital room. Instead of white sterile unfriendly walls to look at, she could turn in any direction and see photos of her and her husband on their honeymoon in different places around the world. She bought her own Swiss ball in, and instead of lying on the bed for continual baby heart monitoring she sat upright and bounced on her Swiss ball. It wasn't dangerous - baby's heartbeat was still able to be recorded, but she felt a lot more in control. In the end she birthed standing up - yes, monitors were still on her to record baby's heartbeat but there wasn't a medical reason as to her needing to lie on her back and give birth on the bed when in vast majority of cases doing so is much more painful for the woman. She might not have got the ideal birth she wanted but she still felt empowered. And feeling empowered she felt SAFE.

The more choices you give yourself and have on the day, the more in control you will feel. The more in control you feel, the less fear you will have. Less fear means less pain. But more pain does not have to mean more fear, either ;).

Honestly, that is the secret of birth - if you can feel empowered and in control (even when the unexpected occurs) then you won't feel fear and terror. You can google a load of ways for this to happen - print off the ideas you want to try. And practice them from now - visualisation, cue cards (also very good on the day!!), different sayings your partner can remind you of.

Lol I had one husband tell his life 'Tracey - it's only labour!!!" While it might sound like she should have slapped him around the head, it helped her keep the pain from taking her to an out of control fear response. They had discussed it a lot and it was part of their birth plan - if she was starting to feel like she was losing control or that the pain was taking her over, he was to gently remind her 'it's only labour' - ie, it will end, it won't last forever, that when it feels like it can't get any worse then it probably means baby is VERY close to being born; that there was a purpose to this pain, and very soon it will end and she will meet her very much wanted and longed for baby:hug:.
 
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