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What If A Good "part" Of You Disappears?

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I swear, @Chava, the more you write, the more I feel like we're on some kind of parallel journey. I suppose in some ways most of us on this site are...just at different places along the path of life.
This younger version and the early trauma stuff has only been fitting together in the last year, so I wonder if that's just sucking up more energy and caution??? It's weird how the adult version is also slightly frozen, but in the working world I can pull stuff off...just very objective and wish I could smile more. I think I need more energy from the spiritual stuff in my down time but I'm not finding it.
This isn't weird. It sounds very similar to me. Pretty much all of my parts are frozen, or have been mostly. I have been lucky, however, that my spiritual part and some creative parts have peeked through now and again. Probably what have sustained me through this whole continually evolving breakdown, or whatever it is I'm having. Break-out is more like it, I suppose...parts parts parts a la structural dissociation. I just don't have a crabby/not smiling part...although one will probably show itself eventually--everything else seems to have appeared in the last year :woot::wideeyed::wtf::confused::eek::hungover:. The early trauma stuff takes up HUGE energy. More and more, I'm finding. My stuff has all come out in the last 16 months. The more it comes out...the more exhausted I get trying to work with it. I can still rally enough to pull off work stuff sometimes, but that has gone downhill startlingly fast--which is absolutely terrifying to my highly functional parts.

The last sentence that you wrote above is absolutely right, I think. After, you talk about being tired. I have trouble when I'm exhausted. That's generally when I get stuck in parts (which seems to be most of the time these days...). Have you ever looked at the hierarchy of needs that Abraham Maslow framed long ago? It helps explain some of this problem...our basic needs need to be met somewhat adequately before we have the energy and ability to meet our higher needs. So, before I can really access SELF energy/spiritual energy, I need to feel rested (basic physiological need) and safe (:( mostly these don't happen together). Here's a link on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs. The hierarchy has been revised, but by people from a branch of psychology that doesn't resonate as much for me. I actually still like the original...but that's fodder for a different more academic conversation.

Maybe I need to just sort out what is "real"....like the nature connection and "one-with-everything" feelings have been real in the past, but I've also tried to absorb myself in all things spiritual as a sort of distraction, like another version of my bubble or alternate reality....allowed me to believe being a hermit is okay...like a forest monk or something.
Argh. I haven't talked about this much on the forum...but this sounds also like something I've realized so I'll go out on a limb here. What the hell? I seem to be in this mode of revealing everything and not caring these days.

I'm one of those people who have found it pretty easy to be "one with everything" especially in nature, etc. It is a total HIGH. Sometimes I get there with meditation, other times it just happens randomly. Ralph Waldo Emerson used the phrase "transparent eyeball" to describe it in the 19th century. There's lots of talk about it in stuff from Tibetan Buddhism and some other religious traditions. What I realized fairly recently, though, is that while I can get to this One-with-universe sort of feeling relatively easily, I CANNOT do it while remaining in my body. The spiritual part of me developed very early on and is probably one of the "dissociative" techniques that saved my life and allowed me to do what I have done in my life and become the person I have become. HOWEVER, I skipped a step. I forgot I had a body to deal with. A body of an individual person who needs to interact with other people. When the pain came on, it forced me to start paying attention to my physical self...my "embodied self" (which is something I am still working on) and kind of broke the bubble I've lived in most of my life.

I share this because you say that you absorb yourself spiritually as a sort of distraction. I totally get that. I have always done this. But it has become much harder to do with the pain which forces my attention to the NOW and the body I inhabit. I don't know if any of that makes sense or resonates with you. Just ignore and don't respond if it sounds way too out there. I'm fine with that. This kind of conversation isn't for everybody.

I just feel very tired.
Of course you do. Me too. I am just beginning to acknowledge that I need an extraordinary amount of rest, rest, rest if I am going to get better. And that is so hard to find in my life with husband, children, and work and other responsibilities. I've cut most things out, but I still struggle with guilt and self-recrimination that I am not forcing myself to do what I always used to do. But when I can rest without guilt or fear that I am not doing something I should be doing...I feel much, much better. I have yet to figure out how to get what I need without losing everything else. I feel pretty trapped in the mess these days.

Feeling pain or being in survival mode does not combine with feeling from your heart, and you close your heart to protect yourself. Or put differently, working on feeling unloved in the past, does not go together with an open heart. Since therapy I have not been able to feel connected to nature & animals like in the past, and I hate it.
I agree. I think the heart chakra links, to a great extent, with Maslow's love and belonging needs, esteem needs, and self-actualization needs (although the last would include all the chakras). I have had some really healing moments doing meditations with a chakra cleansing/stimulating app that uses sound frequencies. You have to be really careful though, because for me at least it is one of the things that brought up a lot of trauma memory stuff. A bit too much got loosened up too soon. But more recently, as I've learned more ways to help myself stay present, I've started again, and the work on the heart and throat chakras has been quite healing.
Like a dark defensive black wall blocking it was shattering. It was scary what was happening, but amazing at the same time. After that, the connectedness would seem to disappear and reappear without notice. After the initial pain, the connectedness was (is!) wonderful when it comes.
Yes! I have lots of versions of your "black wall". Who knew? Not I, until recently. It is "awesome" in the true sense of that word...inspiring both fear and wonder simultaneously. On a neurological level, I think this means that we're forming new neural pathways among parts of the brain. Others might call it "processing" or "integration."
 
Intense and valuable thread.

On the simple practical question of how to reengage with nature...
I think that feeling passive wonder is harder then actively being engaged with nature. Maybe grow something?

Many things will grow from kitchen scraps (so the cost is negliable). I'm really enjoying watching my lemon grass grow. There is something helpful (for me) about giving life to something that was going to be thrown away.
 
It will all be there to be retrieved, like it was in the past,

thanks @Born to Run , I hope so...

Sometimes it lasts so long I forget what I felt like when the connectedness was there.

This is where I'm at...like I can't even imagine the feeling and feel it somewhat that way...it's just unaccessible. I hope it's covered up or dormant vs dead or just no longer part of the person I'm turning into. Trying to trust some process of integration seems really scary, like how am I not just integrating all the parts I don't want?

I have been lucky, however, that my spiritual part and some creative parts have peeked through now and again

Glad you brought up creative parts, @Hope4Now , that's gone missing for me too. It's horrible. This past year has been a mess with me going through terrible hormone experiments, my therapist having some health stuff, and now not being sure how I'll pay...so I think the part of me that gives up on everything is being cautious about even enjoying life. I won't self-destruct. I don't have to tip to that edge. But I don't know if I can get better. I can't access the good feelings.

The early trauma stuff takes up HUGE energy. More and more, I'm finding

And also why I'm stumped. I might not be able to do therapy more than once every three weeks. So then is it worth it? But can I just leave things as they re and hope I pull out of this? No therapists with similar somatic training in my network and the insurance company makes it pure hell for you to work out any sort of deal for continuance. I don't want to talk about it. But I think it's dragging me down more than I realize. Like I jumped down the rabbit hole and will be left alone without tools to get back out, so I'm adapting to darkness and blah and just protecting myself.

As for Maslow, yes I'm aware of his hierarchy but never bought into it because my needs have been backwards, maybe because I nearly died a couple times so early on....I can starve and be without love or human connection but tweak out on "god". Seriously, the whole model is backwards for me. But I'm working on basic safety and needs....just feels unnatural.

I think that feeling passive wonder is harder then actively being engaged with nature.

True...it's the passive wonder I really miss because it feels like part of real me disappeared. But yes, maybe some seeds for spring. It's hard to even have a feeling for a baby plant though. It was cloudier today, so I got outside. I don't hate the sunshine but I hate being reminded that it is "beautiful" but I can't feel it....easier to be depressed and isolated in a dark, dirty, unbeautiful room...I don't have to feel grief over losing what I can't connect with. So one of those things I have to work on in little bits to not feel more sad, if that makes sense. It's like someone died. I need to find a little natural adventure that can resonate with me just a little.
 
I might not be able to do therapy more than once every three weeks. So then is it worth it? But can I just leave things as they re and hope I pull out of this? No therapists with similar somatic training in my network
It is totally worth it! Anything is better than nothing...a good therapist can give you things to do on your own. That frequency will be tough for the parts of you that have attachment issues, though. Perhaps if you'd be able to find someone who'd be okay with phone calls in between? It just stinks that there's no therapists with similar training in your network. Were you doing Somatic Experiencing? There are other body-based/somatic therapies. Have you looked into therapists that offer a sliding scale fee? Okay...I will not continue to advise. I hope you will find a way to get yourself the somatic therapy, though...it seems as if you've made such good progress with it.
 
@Hope4Now , yes my therapist is private practice. She was covered by my old network. Not the new one...it's crappier and just sticking with the big crappier clinics. Somatic focus has not moved in there yet...just a bunch of MS social workers talking about anxiety and eating disorders. NO THANKS.

We'll figure something out, but it does help me focus. It's this little girl, accessing comfort, working out the very early connection issues. I know I can't just stop. I feel trapped at about age 6. Who wants to marry a 6-yr-old snail that has nothing but a stick?
 
Chava, I also have felt similar feelings.

After being traumatized by both parents and feeling trapped in that house, the woods behind the house became the safest place. It was magical to me, a safe place for my child mind to explore and fantasize. The leaves, caterpillars, trees, and everything became "mine" to discover. But I held a reverence, so that place was only borrowed time, precious and magical, like being in nature's cathedral. I respected it deeply. It was healing.

Action systems "play" and "explore" were accessible in that safe environment. When I as an adult return to the familiar places, the "exploration" element I expect to find doesn't get activated; instead prior memory is tapped--memory is, for me, an eerie thing. So, it must be a new place to me. When I read your description, that is "discovery/curiosity" within the action system (Pierre Janet qtd. in _Haunted Self_) of Explore.

The spiritual aspect is, I believe, the child's ability to commune more closely and see the world through the eyes, borrowing the gaze, of nature spirits. Nature spirits and children are more like minded. Children are not exploitative. They delight in nature and are incapable of harming it greatly. Once we are adults, we must practice a mindfulness to return to the delight in mother nature and all her children.

I suggest creating an outdoor "shrine" to mother nature, doing something positive for the environment that is simple and playful, and looking to creatively play within nature, not taking it so seriously.

Also, I've noticed that state parks, as wonderful as their mission is, have upset the nature spirits there, as humans begin to perceive that the nature is "theirs" alone to enjoy. The nature spirits want balance and they resent intrusive human attitudes toward their ecology. Thus, it is best to go where most people don't go on a daily basis, carrying that "this is human territory" belief.
 
I used to take long walks most days at the time when I didn't/couldn't work. I would feel so distant from my natural surroundings, but every now and then I would tell myself "This is how I'm getting better." And it was true. Now I can look back on those walks and realize their value, even though at the time it seemed I was only in pain.

I absolutely Love six-year-old snails with sticks!
 
It is a total HIGH.
Yes, I've experienced this too.

For me, it seems that this way of perceiving the world was cut off in childhood and I focused on the more physical. I cut off a way of "seeing" from myself.
The trauma of my PTSD event seems to have brought it back. As I recover the memories of what happened when my son almost died, and me right there connected to him, there are so many out of the physical experiences. I feel like I was split open that night.

I've realized that I've been seeing the natural world as a "picture" around me. Now I can feel the trees, see their personalities, they bend toward me and communicate. The hills are breathing things, in their way. These perceptions come and go for me, it can be intense. With breathing and mindfulness I've slowly practiced and cultivated the sense of connection.

I'm also slowly starting to have a sense of oneness with other people. A sense and awareness of them.
 
Action systems "play" and "explore" were accessible in that safe environment. When I as an adult return to the familiar places, the "exploration" element I expect to find doesn't get activated; instead prior memory is tapped--memory is, for me, an eerie thing. So, it must be a new place to me. When I read your description, that is "discovery/curiosity" within the action system (Pierre Janet qtd. in _Haunted Self_) of Explore.

Thank you @Muse ...here's a connection I had not made, but it makes so much sense. Yes, all that important freedom to explore, create, have your own space to commune with fascinating things like moss... I have not heard the term "action" system but that makes sense. I partly feel like a dead part of myself bought a house...like, holy shit. But also, the honeymoon and "exploring" is over and I feel like I need to just start throwing hundreds and thousands into boring projects like better insulation. I need to create a rock garden or something new...

Now I can feel the trees, see their personalities, they bend toward me and communicate. The hills are breathing things, in their way.

And thank you @seedling ...this is the sort of stuff that makes sense to me but I can't access it anymore, it seems. But I do connect to sound, so if I keep going for walks maybe I can try to connect more with the sounds...they are really nice where I'm at (I know walks are good for me so I keep it up, even if I don't feel any peace or joy right now).
 
hmm unless i missed it, maybe you are working on things in therapy that are keyed to a different personality "part" and the one who is in touch with nature and what you are trying to connect to doesnt know how to deal with those issues. Ive found different ones have a focus for me.

As for your 6 year old with a stick.... that snail girl has tools... shes going somewhere!!! (by the way mine has a blue gingham dress and a baseball bat)
 
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