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What Is Wrong With My Mother?!

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Justmehere

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My mother. She does not understand normal human behavior.

I don't understand her.

My grandmother, her mother, was raped as a child many times by her father (my grandfather). She testified at my great grandfather's trial, in the 1940's, and my great grandfather went away for the rest of his life. My grandmother was severely anorexic and had many PTSD symptoms the rest of her life. She testified that she kept him from abusing her sister, and she got the worst of it. I have seen the newspaper articles from the trial.

My grandmother married a very abusive alcoholic - my grandfather. He used to beat and rape my mother. My grandmother eventually divorced him when my mother was 12. They often struggled to have enough food to eat after that, but at least he was no longer able to hurt them.

When I was a kid, my grandmother struck me as a cold and strange person. I ever tripped and fell, like little kids do, she would laugh. I don't know why she did that. People outside my family said she was a cold person.

My own mother married a less abusive man, who rescued her from that environment, but who physically abused my brother and I. Mostly me. Even my brother said he was the golden boy who could do no wrong and I was the black sheep who could do nothing right.

My mother never stopped my father. Never. She is still married to him. She says there are problems, but it is better than what she grew up dealing with.

Sometimes my mother could be kind and compassionate. Other times, she was very dissociative and checked out of life - to the point that she would be confused about where she was and what was going on. Other times, she would be strange. I don't know how to make sense of it. I have noticed it a lot more as an adult.

A couple of years ago, I was in ICU after trauma happened. The ICU doctor called my mother, on her home number, because she was still listed as an emergency contact somewhere. They notified her that I was attacked and in ICU. She called my cell phone and left an angry voicemail message that the doctor was out of line "waking your father and I up" by calling at "6am instead of at a more reasonable hour." She is a school teacher. She is up every day at 6am. I was in ICU in critical condition. Her response was to be angry about what time the doctor called, and had no response to anything else.

I later told her I was very hurt that her primary concern was not that her daughter was in ICU, but the hour of the call. She replied, "I don't understand why that would bother you. You are always angry about something."

Then two days later she got a plane ticket and flew out and was this kind and very supportive mother who helped me get through it all.

Then, a few weeks later, more weird stuff happened. She sent a text, out of the blue, telling me I was destroying her marriage. I have no idea how she thinks I am destroying it. My father doesn't speak to me, and I don't care much anymore that he doesn't. I responded back that her marriage is up to her. Three weeks later, she texts saying that she wants to visit and help my recovery from PTSD.

I told her now is not the time.

She then told my brother and I she was going camping with my father. My father is a scoutmaster, so he knows how to handle the wilderness, even if he can't handle his emotions enough to not abuse people. He also knows to notify someone where you are going and when you will return, so that if something goes wrong, people know to look for you. So went camping and didn't return at the day and time they said they would. This is very unusual for them, so after they were gone for 4 days longer than expected, after she had missed work without notice, we contacted search and rescue, the police, etc. She called me, irritated. Told me they were simply out of cell reach and extended their trip. She was irritated we had done anything.

She has no awareness of boundaries. I told her two months ago I would not receive texts or emails. She still texts and emails and then gets furious I don't respond to her texts and emails. (They are now blocked from my phone and email account.) She acts like I never told her.

Then the next time I talk to her, she will remember I told her no texts and emails and she will be kind, and sort of normal.

There are so many things that she does that I can't make sense of anymore. My therapist says I need to cut off all contact with her, and I'm trying to get to the point of doing that. I am finding myself getting so angry at her, that I can't really have any relationship with her anyhow.

I just don't understand how she can be so kind and supportive and then have these other times where she doesn't seem to act normal or even understand normal human behavior.

My therapist thinks that my mother went through so much as a child that she doesn't quite know what normal human behavior is sometimes. Does that even sound right? I will talk to my therapist more about it, we have only begun to deal with it. I am in the process of cutting off almost all (if not all) contact with my mother for the time being - I know that this is what I need to do for me. But I am haunted with how much I don't understand this. I have read through different descriptions of different types of dysfunctional parenting and none of what my mother does seems to make sense. Does is make sense to anyone else?

It's not quite borderline, not quite narcissistic, not quite... I don't know. I'm just so mad at her, and I don't even quite understand why I am so mad. She is kind and horrible, and I have reasons to be mad. But the things that make me the most mad are the things that just make no sense to me.
 
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I relate to a lot of this!! My mom was often very cold, indifferent, and had little feeling outside of her rages. She was sexually abused and so was her mom (who was also cold and probably pretty disconnected). No nurturing. I think the early abuse makes loving connections very difficult. I know my mom loves me but she has always struggled with her own fear of any feelings. She shuts people out, goes into her own bubble, and her rages used to look very dissociated. She'd also smack me for over-exercising because she was sick of my eating disorder. Lots of shame that seemed misplaced, you know?

I've also struggled to understand my mom better so that I don't have to take her stuff personally. I don't feel like I need a label, but there were some borderline features. I'd easily chalk it up to likely lacking a strong loving attachment to her own mom (I mean, how was she supposed to know how to nurture if she never felt it herself?), early abuse, her own self-hatred and shame, and her defense mechanisms and her own need to not look at any of this but let it all spill out onto others. In those ways, I feel sorry for her. She has said she sometimes wished she would have done things differently. I never complained or asked for that...she just sort of came to that on her own. I know she was scary but looking back I know she was also probably not well. Not normal. And the tricky part was that she wanted to pull off that she was...which seemed to end in scapegoating me.

It helps that I don't live close to my family. I have space to myself. But I also don't wish for any different relationship with her, so that helps me.

My mom also has a bizarre sense of boundaries. When I was a kid I tried to run away from her raging. When I locked my door she busted the lock. When I jammed myself up against the door, she busted the door against my back. And everything was my fault. No space, no healthy boundary, not even my own body. But she has become more supportive over time...that in itself is confusing. But I think as she's gotten older she's gained some awareness. I think she wants to be more caring, and has tried, but it has taken a lot of pain for her to get there. So, yes, confusing. But maybe your mom is doing some of that too....kindness out of genuine love and the desire to feel caring and vulnerable, and also sometimes stuck in the colder place. In my own situation, I feel quite anti-social sometimes because my traumas isolated me very badly and made all human connections seem too exhausting....when I'm stressed, I shut myself into my own little world. It doesn't matter if I love someone or deeply care on some level...I've simply drifted into a place where i'm on edge and zero relationships register as safe. I think that's common in trauma, particularly something as damaging as incest.

I've had so many symptoms that would seem to point to csa in my own history (remember nothing), but I don't try to remember...could be connected to medical trauma + later sexual assault and/or physical abuse and other boundaries violations, but also it sometimes feels like I've been burdened with my mom's shame...like she just gave it to me because she didn't want to deal with it. I read somewhere about children of women who were sexually abused taking on some of the symptoms themselves, and I suspect it relates to this cycle of shame and disconnection that I see in my family, and it sounds like what is going on in yours.
 
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I think many of us can identify with this, especially with parents who have been abused, sexually anyway, it screws people up and makes their reality completely buggered. We are all here with you Just, have no fear.
 
Wow... I don't have time to respond in detail, but I'll repeat what I told you on another thread, that your situation resonates so much with me, it's uncanny. Could your mother be my mother's long-lost sister?

My immediate take on why she acts so oddly is that she is dissociating. Does that seem to fit?
 
A mother who makes the choice to stay with her kids' abuser already has problems of her own and those initial problems get magnified by the turmoil and conflict that results from the decision to stay. I saw it in my mother, too: slammed from side to side, protecting him vs. mothering the kids, swinging between extremes, trying to rationalize both, desperate to hide all of it from the outside world. It's so hard as a kid to try to understand the behaviors as we experience them, the abuse alternated with the normal loving parenting. It's just bizarre. Too often we decide we're the ones who are crazy.

There's no way to internally resolve all of those conflicts and that drove my mother into deeper and crazier levels of herself. She finally added alcoholism into the mix to try to get some relief from it all. Like Chava I felt sorry for her in some ways but that doesn't excuse her horrible choices and the devastating effects it had on the rest of us.

It's okay to acknowledge that sometimes your parents did normal stuff among all the insanity. That's just the reality of how we grew up. For example, in spite of it all my mom taught and nurtured some good things in me, like a life-long love of reading, singing, and horseback riding.

One therapist I had suggested making a list of all you "inherited" from your parents, good and bad. Then you can go down the list, cross stuff off and decide which parts of your inheritance you want to keep and what you can let go.
 
It almost sounds like the cycle of abuse. My mother suffers from a lot of anger and rage followed by remorseful periods. I'm not sure what causes her to act this way either. I suspect she may have been abused as a child too. Sometimes I wonder if having a children of her own triggered her and she takes it out me. It seems that way but she has never said so. When I was a child she drank a lot and was emotionally abusive but afterwards would feel very guilty and try to make it up to me. Now she doesn't drink and is no longer lashes out at me but switches between cold and distant one moment and then supportive and affectionate the next. It is confusing.
 
Would knowing her diagnosis help you in any way?

I can think of 5 or 6 differentials off the top of my head she might fit into (there are probably 30+, s'why real diagnosis is important, and not self or armchair diagnosis).

What would it change? Realistically? Aside from being able to say "My mother is an untreated _______." As an easy response for why she's not allowed in your life?
 
Justmehere, one thing I am relating to here is where you say your mom wants to come over and "help with your PTSD". It's helping me set my own thoughts in order and feel slightly less crazy. With my own mother, who also seems not to understand norms of human behaviour although it manifests a little differently, I've been trying for such a long time to find words to get through to her, and it's incredibly confusing and crazy-making. I can understand wanting to understand your mother, it helps you know it's not just something you are doing wrong but just the way she is. My mother and I have been communicating only by letter for the past year and it's been very confusing and frustrating because I find to get through to her I have to get down to an almost microscopic level of explaining things that to most people are obvious. And she still doesn't get it. Example: when I wrote her a very graphic, personal letter telling her how my PTSD symptoms feel, and her response was, without asking my permission, to pass it on to someone she knows who is an alternative practitioner and write me back saying he would be in touch to talk about treating me for my physical symptoms. Not only does it continue to violate my boundaries as has been the case all my life, but makes her look like I am the problem and she is doing something to help me with my problem, while still skirting around the issue that the PTSD comes in large part from how she treated me as a child, a fact she worms her way out of acknowledging with surprising agility. It also made it really hard to complain about how violated I felt, because here she was so kindly offering to help. Grr. Anyway, reading your post helped me get some things straight. Correct me if I'm wrong - it's too easy to overidentify - but I think your mom offering to help with your PTSD could be a way of bringing her feelings of guilt down to a manageable level. She wants to see herself as a good person and you as the person with the problem, and she doesn't know what to do if you don't let her play that role.

With my mother, even though I have repeatedly explained the difference, she is unable to differentiate between someone saying "This thing you did hurt me, and I need you to stop doing it" and someone saying "You did this to me so you are a terrible person and I hate you." She keeps mistaking the former for the latter no matter how I try, and so far, while she is almost infinitely willing to analyze what happened in the past (though without really taking responsibility for any of it) she is not willing to agree to any concrete changes going forward. My guess is this inability comes from extreme shame-based parenting. What do you think? Sorry for writing about my own situation on your thread, I'll stop now! Anyway, I'm sorry it is so bad for you, but wanted to let you know your sharing is helping me!
 
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