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What Will Happen If You Stop Thinking About It?

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Thanks @woundedmind. I guess one problem is that everything else besides ruminating just bores me to tears. Nothing compares to the arousal of hating with every fiber of your being. It's bad arousal, but I think on some level you can get addicted to that and then feel very flat when it's cut off.
 
Well, you've certainly answered what will happen if YOU stop thinking about it. I think that in a certain group of people that could be the case. I think everyone experiences boredom but many can find bearable ways with dealing with it and the level of intensity obviously varies from person to person. About everything I've said is trite and isn't an attempt at help, merely observations from Captain Obvious.
 
It's bad arousal, but I think on some level you can get addicted to that and then feel very flat when it's cut off.
Hmm. That's an interesting point. I've wondered about adrenaline addiction, not for exactly the reasons you describe, but it's something that has crossed my mind. My two thoughts about it are the need to find positive, safe kinds of arousal as a replacement, and the need to gradually learn to tolerate peace and calm. I wonder if DBT is good for the latter. I don't know, do either of those thoughts resonate with you?
 
@woundedmind, Your comments about reframing thoughts were helpful and made me think,...

Its helpful for me for looking at thoughts of powerlessness, which are just thoughts not always reality. I make choices often in a split second, without looking at the process of decision. Even when all the choices are bad, I still make choices - often the proverbial lesser of two or more evils. It does provide me a sense of at least not extreme strength and power, at least I don't feel weak in an abosolute sense, less of just being a wind-tossed leaf in respect to others, never mind that I feel that if there are gods interested in our doings, that as has been said that the gods laugh at our plans and not to learn to fight the currents of life directly but to to go with the current to the point we're not fighting it, like going perpendicular to it, we may not make the beach or the bank exactly where want, but we'll make it.

It also helps in addiction behavior. Instead of saying to myself all the time, I can't stop, the reality is that I don't choose to stop something at this time because I feel the bad things don't outweigh what I'm getting out of it. When the pain of doing that harmful thing outweighs what I get out of it, that's when I choose to do something about it. When I'm going through the discomfort of withdrawal, I choose tolerate that discomfort because I know that there's something even worse down the road. Those are certainly things that are part of DBT - being able to discern your thought processes between the behavior and what causes the behavior, recognizing when you have choices and what they are and learning to tolerate discomfort gradually, using specific techniques and consciously weighing the pros and cons of possible decisions rather than just making all decisions in a seemingly willy-nilly manner if you're not used to doing so and if you do it unconsciously, to learn to do it consciously and deliberately to observe that you have choices, even if you make bad ones, that you choose to make them and why - it recognizes that you do have will and you can will to stop behavior as well as engage in it or vice versa depending on what you are trying to do, but also to identify that if you want to stop something, to show how to fill that void that's left with positive actions.

I'll get off the soap box. I can only imagine what the idea of being addicted to stimulation rather than trying to deal with overstimulation which is one of my issues and something I'll be dealing with for the rest of my life or that is the expectation. To understand the understimulation issue I can only go by what I've heard from others, not from direct experience except through a stretch of my own experiences.
 
@woundedmind , I like what you & @MT Johnny said. Does it make more sense to you @woundedmind ,or do you think this is possible, that the hypervigilance= arousal= a sense of awareness (& therefore maybe increased safety, or even a false sense of having some control? And/ or not making the same mistakes again.Etc.)

Also, I think a lot (including re: addictions & ptsd), might have do go on a big leap of faith. Do you think so?

Thanks, I'm sorry to ask @Dana1010 ( a different question).
 
My two thoughts about it are the need to find positive, safe kinds of arousal as a replacement, and the need to gradually learn to tolerate peace and calm. I wonder if DBT is good for the latter. I don't know, do either of those thoughts resonate with you?
Yeah, they both do actually. The problem is I've been in hiding for so long, when I come out, I find my life is just a barren wasteland, so there's no sources of positive arousal. I think I'm suffering a lot form the lack of a social life, but at the same time, I'm terrified of getting out there and putting myself at risk of rejection, embarrassment, feeling not good enough for people, and all the rest. Sometimes I think I keep the people in my head alive just because they're the only ones I have. It doesn't help that fantasy was a coping mechanism for me growing up when no one would have anything to do with me, so I had to invent an imaginary social life in my head. So this is all probably rooted in patterns that started even before PTSD. And yes, I need to acclimate to a lower arousal rate as well.

I can only imagine what the idea of being addicted to stimulation rather than trying to deal with overstimulation which is one of my issues and something I'll be dealing with for the rest of my life or that is the expectation.
I'm dealing with overstimulation too. It's both, like a catch 22. I hate being hyper aroused, but then when I'm not hyper aroused, it feels like a coma compared to what I'm used to, so I start missing the ruminating and hate, etc, just because it was stimulating.
 
I'm not sure if this is quite the same but my therapist has been talking to me about excessive rumination. I ruminate constantly, often about previous traumas, but also about other things that worry me, which in turn make me feel even more anxious and frequently trigger anxiety attacks. Even though I know I do it, and need to try and control it, I can go on for ages without noticing, which seems bizarre. I also seem to do it subconsciously, whilst sleeping, and often wake up at night flooded with anxiety, thinking about something that frightens me. I often feel I live solely inside my head and the world around me isn't quite real. When I do catch myself, I try to clear my mind and focus on the real world, but it is so hard to do, it seems like so much white noise in my mind, that I can't turn it off. I have tried mindfulness, which has helped for brief periods, but I haven't been good at practising it and doing it regularly.

Anyway it's a great thread and has been helpful to read how others are affected and coping strategies.
 
Even though I know I do it, and need to try and control it, I can go on for ages without noticing, which seems bizarre.
Yeah, it feels like it's just a constant program running rather than individual thoughts popping up; not pictures popping up intermittently, but more like an endless motion picture. How did I ever get in this deep?

So what I've been coming to grips with since I started this thread is that I think about it because I want to because I like it and I'm addicted. I need to acknowledge this as a legitimate addiction and start seeking help. Does anyone know of any experts or methods of treatment that see ruminating as an addiction? Would any of the programs aimed at alcohol and drug abuse recovery have useful, transferable skills for dealing with this?
 
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