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Where Do The Hopeless Belong?

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I am sick to death of PTSD, of myself and of battling it. So called ngative self talk is a relief to state the truth, drop the BS, a recognition of facts that are just that - facts. Someone told me we are here and have to carry on because God loves us. I neither asked for that love nor to be created. To make it clear I don't spend my life preoccupied with myself, but it brings me zero joy. Why do I have to persevere, it is a facade. I am too old to salvage anything of what mattered to me. Which no longer matters. Please do not tell me feelings pass, this is not a feeling this is a fact. Perhaps some of us are untreatable, where do we fit in? I'm tired of being a misfit, of trying, of the same end result to new methods, tired of being tired, of having a negative impact on others and being tolerated, tired of having an existence always defined by the parameters of PTSD, of trying to find meaning where there's none.
 
Please do not tell me feelings pass, this is not a feeling this is a fact.
Sounds like a whole big bunch of poor me attitude, to be honest. You choose to use 'fact' under one pretext, yet disregard it as 'fact' that the negative feelings do actually pass. Poor logic, if you want the truth.

Perhaps some of us are untreatable, where do we fit in?
There is no such thing as a person who is untreatable. Lazy? Yes. Ignorant? Yes. In denial and having a pity party? Absolutely. There is PTSD that is treatment resistant, absolutely... but that resistance doesn't make it 'untreatable' but instead, it is just a difficult task to find the right balance and application. Often comes back to the person wanting to giveup or make excuses for their piss poor behaviour.

I'm tired of being a misfit, of trying, of the same end result to new methods, tired of being tired, of having a negative impact on others and being tolerated, tired of having an existence always defined by the parameters of PTSD, of trying to find meaning where there's none.
Sounds more like depression to me, than anything else. I do agree with the last part, of being defined by the parameters of PTSD. If you have PTSD, then you have to accept you're defined by such parameters now, for the rest of your life. You can fight it and become like you are, or you can work within them to better your life. Always a choice.
 
Sounds like a whole big bunch of poor me attitude, to be honest. You choose to use 'fact' under one pretext, yet disregard it as 'fact' that the negative feelings do actually pass. Poor logic, if you want the truth.

Absolutely. There is PTSD that is treatment resistant, absolutely... but that resistance doesn't make it 'untreatable' but instead, it is just a difficult task to find the right balance and application. Often comes back to the person wanting to giveup

Sounds more like depression to me, than anything else. If you have PTSD, then you have to accept you're defined by such parameters now, for the rest of your life. You can fight it and become like you are, or you can work within them to better your life. Always a choice.

Thank you. I think it is self-pity, especially if self pity ca be defined as anger towards myself. Maybe depression, not sure, as what I mean by feelis don't change is the superficial ones do but mostly I portray what is necessary in public but it's not internalized.

I'm sorry I don't quite understand what you meant by if it's resistant then I need to find the right balance and application, could you explain further (balance and application of what, if what has been tried has limited effectivess)?

I am sure there are many people who do not want (if there was a choice) what happened to them. Then the choice for me also is "now what" or how to accept it without (internally) bitching. But most of what counts to me ends up falling short because of me, I don't find it easy to try-fail-let others down, and then accept it without internalizing it. If it affects only me that's entirely different.
 
Sorry, thought I typed 'Olo' reply to post but maybe I didn't as it didn't show? Also meant as per "feelings don't change", I typed too fast. Maybe it's not feelings but self concept. Failing repeatedly at regulating the ptsd, when and where there is no option to fail at that. Even if I pull it off, privately I feel like Hell afterwards.
 
I mean, treatment 'resistant' is just that, resistant, not impossible or untreatable. People often think they've done it all, tried it all, seen it all, ya da ya da... but the facts often portray vastly different.

What have you tried, and for how long did you try it? How many sessions of each treatment type?
 
Thankyou, this is the OP, I tried to make a timeline in my head because of the question. Thank you for saying resistant is not hopeless. I felt really badly in retrospect for whining here, and posting anonymously. Like the others in threads have said it's probably easy to know who posts. I think I posted anonymously because it was self pity/ whining. I was raised that that was never acceptable. Actually I was raised to never talk about such things, "kick your own as*, sympathy is between sh*t and syphlis in the dictionary, feelings-who's got time for feelings".

I will try to keep this brief aspossible. This (my) path to addressing this has been full of denial and misguided attempts to cope but maintain the denial. The symptomolgy started in 1983, after 2 months of hospitalization and tests, CAT scans and about 2 or 3 meetings ('talk' sessions) with a Dr and a specialists, PTSD was their conclusion. I didn't know what that meant, and being 14 or 15 no one really told me what that meant. I only know I was sent to a 3rd specialist who after we had about 2 'sessions' talking we decided together to 'leave things as they were'. I was greatly thankful as I was terribly afraid what I had done to cope when the flashbacks and the rest had started (drinking, partying, lying, hanging out with men 15 years older, some drugs from the same men, gambling, avoiding school, self harm, and 2 suicide attempts, several near rapes nd close calls) would be found out, no one knew that I am aware. (Though I continued wih it til 18-ish). I also was sure I must be crazy. In my country we have public health care though medications unless insured (I am not) are at cost and therapy (though telling anyone or revealing it would have never crossed my mind- horrific thought) is extremely expensive. My siblings said at the time to get over it. I spent many years feeling ashamed of being 'found out'. One relative said "What's a matter with you, you were doing so good and now you've fallen apart?", the only time I tried to bring it up, and I cried (normally I don't ever).

I bottomed out and started at 18 to do every self-help book and program I could get. Mostly for depresson, though it never really fit. Also for anxiety. I stopped drinking first. I followed two 12-step programs, did the inventories and ammends (but not Step 5, to tell someone), did oodles of CBT. Followed a program (privately) to address 'Trauma Re-enactment Syndrome' and stopped self-harming by my early-ish 20s. Did journalling, tried meditation, prayed my brains out. Also threw myself into work at 14 but especially by 16 on, also volunteer work and school. Would have gone for anti-depressants in my 20's but was afraid of being black-balled in future career which destroyed, anyway). Did this about 8-10 years. Threw myself into overwork and relationships (I realize that's not a treatment plan). Anbandoned he relationships. Adopted Radical Acceptance (not sure if that's DBT?) at some point. Was very effective at masks.

In 2006 got myself re-assesed bt didn't belive it, really. After finding a book on the street (outside, literally- did the recommendations in it, it taught emotion identification, emotional regulation and grounding, it was called "How I Stayed Alive while my Brain Was Trying To Kill Me) as I got suicidal after a date-gone-wrong. I came out assessed with PTSD but didn't think it applied, because I didn't think I had any traumas. My father also growing up acted like he had PTSD, likely may have now I realize, but thought maybe I was just like my dad. But then I had found the forum and also started to apply everything I could from here.

I uncharacterstically (though anonymously) reached out to someone in a counselling profession in 2006 to deal with abuse. Thanks to his help I got through some really rough times. I joined a different 12 step group, and started my own version of Exposure Therapy (unrelated) to triggers I avoided for 25 years. I confessed some stuff to someone else I had hidden for 25 years. I did every recommendation and thing I could do for grief resolution. I couldn't believe how well I started to feel. It (I) only fell apart after the date gone bad. It brought up a lot of crap I didn't acknowledge. Eventually I followed someone's advice here on the forum to "tell a human person about the PTSD", I told my friend in the counselling profession about the suicidal ideation around 2010 (it was horrific since 2008), and I think it was last summer about the PTSD.

I am leary of EMDR as visual issues in one eye (since birth) result in my brain 'correcting' a distorted image in one eye to a perfectly correct one (to myself) after my brain gets through with it. I lack the vision in the eye on it's own, whether it's cosmetically straight or not. Upshot is forced eye-movements result in severe migraines (which I get anyway) virtually immediately. I am also horrified and frightened (terrified) to tell a stranger anything, although even sliding-scale therapy is out of range financially. I have no Dr, so would have to start with a Walk In Clinic (not great reputations). I hope not to have to medicate. I try not to self-medicate.

Actually, I guess I have to say, I stopped drinking myself to death and passive suicide attempts, stopped the self harm, made ammends best I could and I don't think I've ever hurt anyone intentionally. I don't feel angry at all rarely rage. I managed to acknowledge some things as abusive. And like everyone, life has it's 'stuff', and there has been much 'stuff' the last 20 years. But I managed to keep working and above ground.

I guess that would be progress, maybe? Thank you for listening.
 
I'm sorry, I should have also said, not sure if in 1983/ 1984 they called it "PTS" (vs PTSD). Only person I could have asked was my mom, but she has died. She never brought it up again. I o recall, when I was bout 17 or 18 I accidentally found an old newspaper clipping in her purse about "PTSD and Increased Suicidality Gifted Children".

I also did try more than the above, but can't find the words. Also sorry for the typo's, doing my best o self correct but some characters don't register as I type and I missed them.
 
And it was after I found the Forum I went to the Dr- he said it was mandatory to go to the shrink who came to that conclusion. But I felt very wary of anti-deressants because I was (am) afraid I couldn't be vigilant 'enough' for safety, plus numbness and depression wasn't quite the right explanation. I got a script (prescription) but never filled it and never returned past a mandatory follow up. I had a lot of physical issues at the time I didn't reveal and was also afraid (triggers and financially) they'd make me get a medical.
 
If we all stayed in our safety zones, none of us would heal. You sound stuck by your own fears. Have you considered pushing yourself just a bit?
 
Ufawek, "stuck by my own fears", I think you are bang on.

To be honest, I thought I was pushing myself, lol. :rolleyes: I can. I will. THANK YOU. :)
 
saying resistant is not hopeless
I totally agree with that. And i think if you look back that there are many things you have made progress with.

For me progress is not always about being more comfortable or symptoms being better. Progress is increased awareness, understanding, new skills or new paths taken. All recovery goes in peaks and troughs and is not linea. Thats not how recovery works.

And we can go along and then find everything starts fallng into place and make huge progress in a small ampunt of time. The important part is to keep putting one foot in front of the other in the mean time. We dont have to believe it will change or that we even deserve that in order for it to happen. And noone can feel it will be different when in that black hole.

I think self pity is just fine as long as it doesnt consume you long term. Why shouldnt you feel self pity. Its only normal and a part of mourning. Just don't let it stoop you from taking steps forward. Small steps forward will get you there every time.

Noone is hopeless and everyone can find a better and worthwhile life.
 
I totally agree with that. And i think if you look back that there are many things you have made progress with.

Progress is not always about being more comfortable or symptoms being better.. The important part is to keep putting one foot in front of the other in the mean time. We dont have to believe it will change or that we even deserve that in order for it to happen. And noone can feel it will be different when in that black hole.

.. self pity.. (is) only normal and a part of mourning. Just don't let it stoop you from taking steps forward. Small steps forward will get you there every time.

Noone is hopeless and everyone can find a better and worthwhile life.

Thank you. I don't really understand what part self-pity has in mouning, or exactly why or when or how mourning ends. Or if I have a reason for it, or what is it's place. Definitely as you said not feeling deserving of getting better. Somtimes I can't comprehend how I got here (as in, like this, or ptsd), somewhere it seems it must be something wrong, that I shouldn't have this ptsd, but I shouldn't have help either. I am tempted to make a lot of severe decisions, not good ones I guess, but I guess that's the ptsd talking. I can't remember much of anything else at this time. Not numbness, feels mor like 'blank' I guess, and surrounded by strangers.I cogntively wonder if I should, if really it's for the best, hard to discriminate or know. I am trying to put one step in front of the other. I can't really identify a safety zone.
 
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