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What Exactly Is A Crisis?

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Emotional pain so great that I can focus on nothing but making it stop.

Thats a great definition of a crisis. For me, I guess because I havent grown to that point yet, when im in crisis, my brain cannot process "I need to make this stop", its soley on "i need to die" or "i need to cut/punish" so I think its a wonderful place for you to know you need it to stop. What makes it stop for you? Can you speak to ask for help that way or are you silenced like myself and cant make a peep but can type, most times. Im sure you struggle to find words but im saying if you can. Or even if you cant, how do you make it stop most times?

Sorry, its your thread and now im the one asking questions.
 
How I define a crisis: when I am not sure I am able to keep myself from harm, and the risk or threat of harm is imminent and immediate.
So again, suicidal and/or self harming? I don't want to put words in your mouth, and not sure what you or your therapist would call harm.
It can be other situations other than suicidal or self harm. For example, there was a dangerous person threatening me. When the threat became something greater than I alone could handle, I was in crisis. Another time, I was in a car accident but too scared to get medical care. Harm was there, and I couldn't keep myself safe.

But as for internal threats or states, yes, generally when self harm or suicide, or when I'm about to do something that could put me in danger in some other way or act out in a way that could bring harm on myself.
How my therapist defines something as being enough to reach out to her for crisis support: three steps before I end up in the above situation.
Does that work for you? Do you know when that point is?
This is a long and wordy explanation, but I'm not sure how else to better say it. You can skip over it if you want.

I used to not be able to identify that point. I used to felt like every crisis came on quickly and suddenly. I still experience it that way sometimes. It seems like things hit quickly, and bam. I'm toast.

However, through a lot of journaling and a couple of worksheets, I have been able to map out what are red flags that I'm vulnerable for a crisis to hit. Vulnerable means higher risk for things to suddenly go from 0-60 and end up in a crisis, and this sort of helps me know when things are going downhill.

For example, if I sleep less than 4 hours every night for more than 4 nights in a row, I am at higher risk for a mental health crisis to hit. If clients send me a lot of complaints, I am at higher risk for a crisis to hit. I don't actually generally feel bothered by a few nights of little sleep or crabby clients at work, and people say I'm so patient and calm when others are stressed, but I have noticed this stuff still starts to fill up my stress cup even though I don't feel it. Then if a crisis hits, my crisis may not be about my clients or about my sleep, but those things still exhausted my capacity to cope with other more serious things. It is a sign I'm going to be less resilient if something else happens. Even more so, it becomes something I need to be aware of and take action about long before the crisis hits.

I actually have worked out a chart with my therapist that goes from 1-10, 1 being things are great, 10 being I need to be emergently hospitalized. There are categories for each level for things I experience when at that level: types of emotions, intensity of emotions, body sensations, types of thoughts I might have, amount of sleep, amount of dissociation or numbness, etc. In every category is things I can do to regulate my emotions. What works when I'm at a 3 may not work when I'm at a 7. What works at a 7, might be too much for when I'm at a 3. If I hit 8 or above, then it's time to get crisis help.

I started working on this when I was an inpatient on a specialized PTSD treatment unit and they wanted all patients to fill this out. They called it a "relapse prevention plan." The word relapse annoys me, but the model fits. It's a very CBT/DBT type of thing to do, and it's been helpful.

I don't really refer to this chart much, or follow it closely, but it does keep me mindful of what could build up to suddenly being overwhelmed later on. It even helps when I reach that crisis point. It tends to not run away with me as much, and I feel like I know a little more what I need to do and when.

I used to only have this filled out in categories 1-3 and 7-10. Everything seemed to go from 3 to 7+ in 0 seconds flat. I was either ok or very not ok. It has taken some time to figure it out what was happening for the middle of the chart. It took journaling about past crisis, and even journaling through a crisis, ad then going back later and looking through what I wrote down, to figure out what the red flags were in the months, weeks, and days before things spill over.

Now, I generally have a better sense when it's time to call my therapist. I still think I overreact to my own crisis, and my therapist still thinks I underreact and don't call her soon enough. But I do have a sense of when she thinks I should call. Just having a plan helps me get through the crisis sometimes without outside help. It's almost like I've trained myself to on what to do to intervene in my own crisis more automatically.

It's also changed over time. 3 years ago, there was a certain set of circumstances and on-going trauma that was triggering me quite a bit. I was fighting sucidial thoughts a lot. Now, it's only every now and then. It can still get intensely and suddenly triggered, but it doesn't pull me as far. Just this weekend someone gave me a very triggering gift. I also got a weird threat emailed to me. I was aware of some of my vulnerabilities were already high: lack of sleep and ect. The gift and weird threat situation felt so bad. I quickly spiraled and I wanted to self harm. However, because I knew in my mind already I was already extra vulnerable piror to the gift and threat, it was easier to not give in to the thoughts, urges, despair and anxiety. It was easier to recognize, ok, xyz red flags are happening. I need to do xyz and if those things fail, then call my therapist. Just having that plan was claming. Thankfully, the things I did to deal with it all worked, and I didn't need any crisis help. I never got into the 7+ zone and I was able to be effective in handling the gift and the threatening email. Even today, I'm still in a place where I'm extra vulnerable for another thing to spike me into a crisis, but I am preemptively doing things to reduce that risk. If something else hits, I will know more about why, and what to do.

It's a really hard thing for me to figure out. As a kid, I could have been in a life or death situation and no one would have responded. It screwed up my idea of what a crisis is. It's taken work and time, and I still get it wrong. I try to error on the side of reaching out for help, if only to learn and try a new skill. I had to figure out so much on my own as a kid. Trying to learn I don't have to do it all on my own anymore.
 
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I think I have different levels of crises... if that makes any sense. Part of my issue with identifying when I am in crisis is that I have a problem asking for help. I don't want to be a burden to anyone and I often feel like I am not as bad as I really am. For me a BIG crisis would be anytime I am feeling so out of control, spiraling to a dark place where I not only have the intention to fatally harming myself but an actual plan to do so.
A medium crisis which I have a hard time identifying as a crisis but a therapist would probably think it is a crisis is when self-harm is involved. It's been happening for so long it's not a big deal to me anymore.
A small crisis which leads to a medium crisis would be when I have intrusive thoughts and flashbacks that I cannot get a grasp on and it starts to feel like what happened then is happening now. Which eventually leads to losing time and then self harm and if it prolongs can lead to a very bad place.
Of course if there is ever a time when one if going to really do harm to themselves it is an automatic crisis - but I believe we all have various levels of crises, there is no one measure.
A crisis is when I am so flooded that the rest of my life is on hold because I am in such enormous emotional pain....
@sun seeker I can identify with your statement and that is a good definition of a crisis. Anything that puts my life on hold and I cannot take care of my family, would also be a crisis for me.

For me, I guess because I havent grown to that point yet, when im in crisis, my brain cannot process "I need to make this stop", its soley on "i need to die" or "i need to cut/punish"
@lostforgottensoul For me it is almost the same but my brain definitely processes I need to make this stop by either "I need to die" or "I need to cut/punish". It's almost an automatic reaction for me.

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my brain definitely processes I need to make this stop by either "I need to die" or "I need to cut/punish". It's almost an automatic reaction for me.

I never thought that thinking "i need to die" or "i need to cut/punish" is thinking on how to make it stop but i guess it is isnt it? I was thinking more on the lines of "i need to lower anxiety, distract, do my DBT stuff, etc" but i dont know if that can be a conscience thing in crisis mode really. Lately ive been trying to stay very conscience but normally when it sneaks up and boom, im there, none of that is conscience.
 
often dont know where im at and think the nightmare was real for about 5 or so mins. I sleep walk about once a week or more. Night terrors as often. I never thought of it as crisis as its so often.
. My problem with the confusion is that it can last hours. It's much better than it used to be, but when I was first getting started in trauma therapy, I'd have to leave notes for myself in my typical hiding places, telling me to call my therapist and ask for help. The sleep paralysis generally leaves me completely convinced that someone (my abductor) was in my apartment. In either case, it usually takes about 30 minutes to get me back to reality.

with this state, is the problem that you aren't able to get yourself back without help? You have really good coping skills, so it sounds like "crisis" is something that exceeds your coping skills. Does that sound
Exactly. So, like with the night disturbances, once I understood that I should take them seriously, I recorded a ten minute long series of grounding cues - saying what year it was, where I was (especially helpful because I travel for work a lot), breathing cues (getting my breath under control is THE THING that fixes almost all of it for me), etc. Id strap my phone to my arm before going to sleep and set it up so I could easily play the recording. If after 10 minutes I was still unable to 'come back' from the panic, calling T was the next step.

For daytime flooding, kind of the same. I got myself accustomed to going to a list of things - technically distractions, but very basic and physical, like do squats (or jumping jacks, anything to get my body engaged) for a minute and then focus on breathing for four minutes. My therapist and I would agree on how long it was appropriate for me to try and cope for, before I had instructions to call him. Usually, between 10-30 minutes.

And if the problem would abate, great. I'd still be fairly high on my own distress scale, but I was capable of moving on to things that were a little more cognitive.

It took a bit of training myself to get all this in place. Making my response to the flooding (that's such a good word for it, I use it, too) nearly automatic. Because in that state, it's very very difficult/impossible to make decisions. You need to teach yourself a simple automatic response.

And I think - ideally - that simple automatic response handles the physical aspect of what's happening. Something that pulls the amygdala back to a functional mode.

So, for me, breathing deeply, slowly, rhythmically is it. I usually use the 4x4 pattern, and I count mentally. When I was teach myself that, I used a metronome app on my phone to keep my rhythm steady. Finding a few songs would also work, ones that weren't going to evoke any emotional response.

And the breathing always (for me) needs to go on for a full four/five minutes. Even if I feel better after 2.

What's great is, after doing this stuff regularily, I developed almost an automatic breath-regulation response. If I get even slightly agitated, I just start doing it.

And that, overall, has really helped me manage myself.

The best advice I can give you is to find a way to address the physical symptoms of the flooding. Don't expect to catch it in advance, and don't expect whatever you do to actually put you 100% right again - it's purpose is to get your executive function back on-line.

It's not uncommon for me to have an after-response to my own crisis. I'll manage it, get re-grounded, and then need to have some tears of frustration or grief about whatever got me upset in the first place. But those are just 'normal' sadnesses, and going at them with emotional regulation skills is totally doable.

I believed that breath management was overrated, until I practiced it seriously. The mistake most people make is that they stop when they think they are OK, and that's usually only halfway thru getting the CNS working properly.
 
My problem with the confusion is that it can last hours. It's much better than it used to be, but when I was first getting started in trauma therapy, I'd have to leave notes for myself in my typical hiding places, telling me to call my therapist and ask for help. The sleep paralysis generally leaves me completely convinced that someone (my abductor) was in my apartment. In either case, it usually takes about 30 minutes to get me back to reality.

Wow, that sounds scary! I would certianly call that crisis. It doesnt last that long for me. I think the longest time was about 20 mins or so and was screaming at everyone.

. The mistake most people make is that they stop when they think they are OK, and that's usually only halfway thru getting the CNS working properly.

Yeah, I can see breathing being super important. Personally i cant seem to master it.
 
Just trying to get clear on this. Is it hard to ask for help when you yourself are in crisis, because it feels like nothing could help? Is that what you mean by it feeling final?
Yes suicidal with no hope & 'in motion'.

A crisis is when I am so flooded the rest of my life is on hold..Emotional pain so great that I can focus on nothing but making it stop.

I think that's the possibble commonality with the suicidality.

It's a really hard thing for me to figure out. As a kid, I could have been in a life or death situation and no one would have responded. It screwed up my idea of what a crisis is.

That's me too ^.

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When all my ideas to stop it from happening are shit ones, and are the ones I am inclined to act on.

If I have some better ideas through it, it's the kind of crisis I'm home at.
Or transformative journey to the self schtuff I'm also at home at, not a crisis.
 
And if the problem would abate, great. I'd still be fairly high on my own distress scale, but I was capable of moving on to things that were a little more cognitive.
I like how your first line of defense is somatic and the cognitive part comes later when not so activated. Talking/thinking yourself out of a crisis that has taken over to the degree you're describing is pretty well impossible but it never ceases to amaze me how many people attempt it anyway!

Your approach sounds really well thought out and organized... and that is so important, because once we get there, we need our response to be as close as possible to automatic. This is where I need to put in some work. I have a very limited repertoire of coping skills for when it gets that bad, and then the fact that I can't think of anything to do to help myself makes me still more desperate in a sort of vicious circle.

You need to teach yourself a simple automatic response.
I hadn't gotten to this part yet before writing the above. Honest!

And I think - ideally - that simple automatic response handles the physical aspect of what's happening. Something that pulls the amygdala back to a functional mode.
Yes. Something physical and soothing. Breathing wouldn't do it for me, but slow repetitive movement sometimes does. But there is nothing quite like having a safe person there to provide that grounding. Physical presence is best; phone is less so but still good. I'm trying to figure out what to do when that isn't immediately possible.

I have a few songs I use to soothe myself, too. But that is a coping skill higher up on my ladder of functioning. When it's really, really bad, songs wouldn't do it either.

Don't expect to catch it in advance, and don't expect whatever you do to actually put you 100% right again - it's purpose is to get your executive function back on-line.
Right, good point. So the question is what will bring me back just enough so I can think. It's good to think of it that way because that 0-60 leap can happen within moments.

Thank you for your thoughtful response!
 
I think its a wonderful place for you to know you need it to stop.
Yes, although I should clarify that at what I'd call crisis point, my skills to make it stop can be pretty maladaptive. I need to find some better ones.

What makes it stop for you?
Generally, it takes a safe person to get me out of it. So now there are a few things I need to figure out:

When is it bad enough to ask for help?

What do I do when there is no one available to help? (The most pressing, and scary.)

What can I do to help myself meanwhile, if only to take the edge off so I can think?

Yes, I can talk when it is that bad. Not a problem. Feeling that I have the right to ask for help is more of a problem. Availability of help can be a problem too. One reason I started this thread is that I am pretty much down to my therapist when it comes to people (offline) that I can ask for help. That feels pretty precarious, and I am looking for backup plans for times when he isn't available. There is a period of a few weeks during the summer that I am preparing for with this in mind.

ETA: No worries about asking me questions! They help me clarify my thinking on this, which is why I started the thread, so it's all good.
 
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