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Relationship Rebuilding Trust In A Push-and-pull Dynamic

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LoftyLou

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Hi,

My partner and I have been together about 2 years (if you still count our relationship in its current state as “together”). She is a survivor of some intense traumas (chronic neglect/emotional abuse from her family, several sexual assaults). As far as I know, she has never been formally diagnosed with CPTSD but, based on what I know about trauma, I think she shows symptoms of it.

The last 8 months of our relationship have been very difficult…she kicked me out of the house/asked for our relationship to “go on hiatus.” She states I have not respected her boundaries or met her needs in the relationship. In retrospect, I have not and I feel horrible about this. I have hurt her (not physically but emotionally and psychologically) and our relationship (never intentionally but the damage is done). I don’t know how or if it is possible to climb out of this deep dark hole our relationship has devolved into.

About 8 months ago (coincidental timing? probably not) my partner began doing weekly one-on-one counselling sessions to work on healing the trauma(s) from her past she carries. We had pre-existing communication/relationship issues but I don’t think they were drastically beyond the scope of most “normal” issues couples face. I do not think her doing counselling and her trauma is the cause of our relationship issues but it certainly complicates things immensely.

The counselling dredged up a lot of heavy/painful things from her past (this is not an assumption on my part, they are her words). Things seemed to shift rather quickly. Early on in the one-on-one counseling sessions, she seemed very raw, mostly sad. I remember one day shortly after she started the weekly sessions, we were lying in bed, I was holding her in my arms while she wept. They were tears about the painful things that have happened to her and she has had to carry with her for so long. She said to me “you’ve saved me, I couldn’t do this without you.” I have never felt so close to her and as in love with her as I did in that moment. Even though it was a heavy moment, it was a time we felt very connected to each other.

Shortly thereafter, her emotional rawness changed from sadness to anger (I observed this and she told me). This, in my opinion, is when our relationship truly began to take a nose dive. She is triggered by me and my behaviours so easily now (flashbacks/automatic reactions–some were pretty brutal, almost as if she was having a seizure). She has stated that she no longer feels “safe” with me (emotionally, I have never hurt her physically). In the time I have known her, I have watched her sever ties with three people she once considered friends. This is a strategy she has needed to survive in the past but it is a pretty extreme measure to take. I feel like she is doing the same to me now. She repeatedly states that in order for our relationship to heal/be viable, I need to respect her boundaries. Fair enough, the issue I struggle with is that there seem to be so many boundaries/walls in place now–some that seem to contradict each other. Here are two examples that illustrate this:


1) She has stated that I cannot defer to her and expect her to take charge in our relationship (she doesn’t want to feel like she is my mom + she is in an emotionally/psychologically compromised state due to her trauma healing work). Fair enough, I don’t want to be in a relationship with my mom either. The issue that comes up time and time again is she also wants to feel included in things --> she wants me to “check in” with her about thoughts/ideas I have. I seem to keep vacillating between deferral (me trying to check in but it coming across as if I am asking her to make the decision(s) for us) and “charging-ahead autocrat” roles (me trying to take the lead in the relationship, saying “hey, here’s a plan I have, let’s do it!” She has stated this makes her feel left out and alone). Finding the “sweet spot” between taking the lead and including her is very challenging.


2) She has put up walls. Her take on the current state of our relationship is it is entirely my fault and therefore up to me to fix. She stated that over the winter she struggled with depression on top of the emotional rawness brought on by her counselling and this depression was caused by my behaviours/modes of communication and being around her. She asked me to “help” her with these things (not fix her issues, just offer the kind of positive support I should be able to give) yet, in the process of trying to do so, I have crossed boundaries of hers and the whole effort backfires. For example, I reached out to two of her friends on her behalf in the past (two friends she feels safe with, who she has shared details of the dark issues she faces, who we have agreed are safe people to seek support from). She felt I was invading her social space with these people who are “her” friends (I have built my own connections with these people too), putting her friendships with these people at risk. This is somewhat related to the first example above–she asks for something (or multiple things) yet I cannot seem to do the “right” thing despite my best efforts. I feel stuck in a double bind in so many ways.

The limited contact/interactions I have had with my partner since we separated mostly seem to be further digging ourselves into this deep dark hole. She is very much on guard around me, I react/get triggered by this (her tone of voice, her anger/yelling/hostility). I am absolutely guilty of saying/doing (or not saying/doing) things that have hurt her. She has also done and said things that hurt me, particularly in the last 2 months–she has called me names, belittled me, yelled at me. I know she is in a compromised state and she has reason to be upset with me, I can’t completely write-off things she says/does in these triggered states (they ARE coming from somewhere inside of her, she is a smart woman who is very in touch with her needs/boundaries) but I feel so much pain in these moments/interactions with her, it leaves me with little hope/optimism that we can rebuild or heal our relationship. The worst part for me is the push-and-pull dynamic characteristic of our relationship recently. In order for our relationship to heal, I need to work on my issues (I am seeking professional help from a counsellor, doing a lot of online research, and just general “soul-searching” to try to look within myself and identify things about behaviours I want to alter in order to be a more effective supporter and a better partner/person). We also need to rebuild trust and love (i.e., have interactions we both walk away from feeling good about, with more energy than we went into them with). I am trying to do what I can to make this happen but I feel like what she wants/needs is a moving target I can never quite seem to hit...I wonder if it is possible to hit this/these target(s) given the current state of our relationship and her explicitly stated distrust in me. I have told her twice I want to do couples’ counselling with her, she says she cannot take on more counselling on top of the one-on-one trauma healing work she is doing.

If I knew we just needed time and space apart to heal/cool-off, I could deal with this. The part that is killing me is she says it is up to me to fix the relationship, I have to show her through actions/behaviours that I can indeed be a supportive partner (just “giving her space” does not seem to be an option). I am trying so hard but seemingly not having success. I am not done trying and I am not out of love but I too have been hurt by her and I don’t know how much longer I can continue to do this draining dance with her. I love her and want to have a life with her I just don’t clearly see what needs to be done to make that happen. I feel stuck, sad, and frustrated.

Any insight, help, support, advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
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J
Hi,

My partner and I have been together about 2 years (if you still count our relationship in its cur...

Things that come to mind:

Keeping the door open so she doesn't feel abandoned but focusing on you, your story, schemas, patterns.
It really comes across that you love her and are committed to her. I'm just wondering if there is other unresolved stuff in your history that's also keeping you in the dance.

Decide clear boundaries for you, how much you will take, what's appropriate

Keep communicating

Keep engaged with people, places, activities that help your self esteem. I imagine this might be taking its toll but I don't know.

Thanks for writing this. I have to some extent been as your partner described in a previous relationship. It's painful to hear that other side but helps too. Your words have given me a lot.

I'm wishing you strength, courage, compassion and guidance.
 
Can you tell her all this you wrote her?
Brings tears to my eyes. God i wish some one could love me lik...
Hi Bloomy,
I would like to ...maybe one day it will be appropriate but not right now I don't think. One of the other "double binds" I feel stuck in at the moment is she seems to get triggered/upset by hearing about want I want our relationship to be (vs. just doing what our relationship needs to be healthy). To me, talking about hopes/aspirations/intentions is an important component of making it happen yet too many times in the past I have verbalized plans/wanting to do something and not followed through on them (enter the current lack of trust in our relationship). While I can understand where she is coming from and how draining it must be to hear things that are not always consistently followed though on, I also feel it is sort of setting us up for failure...how are we to go about executing the actions necessary to heal if there is no or almost no on-going discussion about it?!
 
G'day @LoftyLou and welcome to the site :)

Re: decision-making, it looks like she wants you to be strong enough to be able to decide, but she wants to feel valued by you and have you include her in the decision.

example:

YOU: I was thinking we could go for a drive together. Is there someplace you would like to see?
HER: No, you choose.
YOU: How about we go to the mountains/lake/your favourite xxxxx and you can bring your binoculars/swimming gear/xxxxxx and we can do that together?
HER: Sounds good

:geek:
Basically, give her options/ask her opinion, but if she wants you to decide then try to pick the option that shows you love her.

It requires forethought and insight, qualities i perceive you have.
 
Hello @LoftyLou. I'm sorry you are having such a difficult time.

As the supporter in a PTSD relationship, it is very hard to work on your relationship if your partner is symptomatic. That's the long and short of it. She is working through a lot of things in therapy, and that can be very rough. You said all her emotions have turned to anger... and if she handles her stressors now by lashing out, you're an easy target.

Fair enough, the issue I struggle with is that there seem to be so many boundaries/walls in place now–some that seem to contradict each other.

There may be no making her happy now. If she's lashing out and you're closest to her, you're going to automatically be the designated asshole.

The part that is killing me is she says it is up to me to fix the relationship, I have to show her through actions/behaviours that I can indeed be a supportive partner (just “giving her space” does not seem to be an option). I am trying so hard but seemingly not having success.

How can one person fix a relationship? Again, you're probably not going to be able to do what she wants. It sounds like she doesn't even know what she wants.

I love her and want to have a life with her I just don’t clearly see what needs to be done to make that happen. I feel stuck, sad, and frustrated

It is frustrating... and it sucks.

You can respect her boundaries, but you can't do the impossible. My advice now is to be supportive and learn about PTSD, but also take care of yourself and set some of your own boundaries. If you want to fix your relationship, it has to be one that you're happy in as well... not just you bending over backwards to keep her around.

Firstly, just because she has PTSD, it does not mean that she gets to verbally lash out, name call, or yell at you. That is a no-go, and you can make that one of your boundaries.

Secondly, you cannot be 100% responsible for fixing the relationship. She had to be a part of it too. Right now she may not be capable of working on things. It is up to you whether you want to be patient until she can. Be kind to yourself if you do... If you believe the lashing out and that it is all your fault, you're going to feel like shit.
 
J


Things that come to mind:

Keeping the door open so she doesn't feel abandoned but focusing on you,...
Hi NatBird,

Thanks for that. I certainly have my own stuff to work on before I can truly be the supporter I want to be/our relationship needs. I've been researching/receiving counselling on codependency and how some of my behaviours fit under this umbrella (hint...mommy-issues!). I have lost myself in this relationship/gotten wrapped up in her trauma...it has done damage to our relationship, her respect for me, and my sense of self-worth. I am now aware of these challenges/behavioural issues I need to change but changing them is easier said than done.

I do have fairly liberal boundaries about what I won't take from her but this needs to change. The catch is I don't want to shut her out...it seems like one of her main ways of communicating with me is aggressively. If I say "no yelling or else I'm out" I fear we might never communicate at all...a death sentence to our relationship. I wouldn't take this strong way of speaking from anyone else...I guess I justify it because she is dealing with some issues (I have no experience with but I gather) are pretty intense. When I have spoken to her in the past about how I feel when she yells/swears at me, her response has been that it is me and my behaviour that does this to her...in order for her to not do this to me it is on me to ensure my communications are clear and to meet her needs in the relationship.

Communicating/expressing myself clearly, concisely, and honestly are basic aspects of our interactions she states she needs to see from me...otherwise our relationship will end. I want to bring these to the table and am working towards that on my own/with support from others but it seems that, time and time again, when we meet or talk, I say something that triggers her and there is ever-dwindling forgiveness for these "communication breakdowns." These unclear ways of speaking/communicating are certainly tied up in my codependency issues but also just basic communication building blocks necessary for any human interaction (saying what you mean, meaning what you say).

Wow, maybe this rant is a bit of an example of what I SHOULDN'T do with or around my partner...sorry to bring this to you. Better I get support on this from elsewhere than from my partner...I have tried in the past and she is in no place to give me that kind of support right now...might never be.

Do any of these "communication issues" I have described above ring true with other readers?

P.S. The point about staying engaged with people/places/activities that are safe/positive for me really rings true. As much as living apart is not what I want long-term (ultimately we will split up for good if our relationship issues are not resolved), at least I have the space to breathe and do the work I need to do and I know I am not dragging her down with me as much as when we were living together...although some days (like today) I still feel like I am dragging her down/preventing her from doing the healing work she needs to do. I hate hurting the person I love.
 
Communication is very important, no doubt about it. So is compassion. It has to run both ways though.

I'm a supporter too, and i understand the urge to placate and walk on eggshells around your partner when they're symptomatic. However, if you do it to the detriment of your own sanity, it just makes things worse.

When I have spoken to her in the past about how I feel when she yells/swears at me, her response has been that it is me and my behaviour that does this to her...in order for her to not do this to me it is on me to ensure my communications are clear and to meet her needs in the relationship.

^^^ This is not an OK pattern of behavior to accept and reinforce. It is nobody's fault but her own if she loses her temper and curses somebody out. PTSD doesn't force her to be awful. It causes her stress, but how she handles it is on her 100%. It is ok to call her on her bullshit. "If I upset you, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to stand here and be cursed at. If you want to talk like adults, I'm all ears."

I doubt very highly her ramping herself up into a cursing temper tantrum instead of communicating calmly is good for her either.

My sufferer has combat PTSD, and can get pretty aggressive. He KNOWS I will leave if he lashes out verbally, so he doesn't do it much anymore, and when he does, he apologizes afterwards. It took me setting this exact same boundary and enforcing it consistently to get to this point.

I do see some codependent thinking in your reply... If you want to make a PTSD relationship work, you have to work on that. If not, it's not going to be healthy for either of you guys.
 
Last night my partner and I had a series of calls/texts and she was once again yelling/swearing at me. I took it for a while b/c the reason we were talking is an important one (how to help her feel included/more a part of my family) and I didn't want to pull out of the conversation but it eventually got to be too much. I hung up the phone and wrote her " I will not engage with you if you swear at me, call me names, yell at me, or belittle me. I am done with that bullshit. No one makes you behave like this, that is on you. I am sick of being your emotional punching bag. No more. Only if you speak to me in a respectful way will I even attempt to communicate with you. That is my most basic boundary. Good bye."

What ensued was her saying she will file for divorce, and a painful self-deprecating series of very raw messages (her saying "it is my fault I was abused as a child, my fault I was assaulted, my fault I am not an idealized version of myself, f*ck me, f*ck me, I am such a f*cking c*nt, I deserve to be treated like shit. I deserve to be excluded from friends and family. I don't deserve love, I am a total f*cking waste of life. If only I was more polite, all my needs would be magically met by the people who make promises to me. If only i was more polite people would honour my needs. But since I'm not polite enough I don't deserve the respect of having my needs met. Of course other people's needs are more important than mine. Why should I ever assume my needs are important. I am a f*cking idiot for even thinking that. I don't deserve love. I'm an asshole, assholes aren't worthy of love, they're not even human.") [context: my impressions from the larger conversation is that she was being somewhat sarcastic, beneath the surface was a lot of anger about what I was asking her/telling her I need and this making her feel the things written above in the self-deprecating messages. Hard to know for sure from text messages but that is my impression].

At this point I felt pretty horrible and could feel her pain quite viscerally. I decided that since she was no longer being directly hostile to me (plus the things she was saying had me worried about her safety) I reached out to her and wrote "you are a beautiful person. I remember that person, the person I fell in love with. I'm sorry I haven't been there for you." I also gave her the 24 hour crisis line number (I am sure she has it already but I wanted to make it super convenient/available as I think she was having a pretty strong automatic reaction (again, hard to be sure via text messages only).

What ensued were some messages from both of us, her saying she is sorry she doesn't express her anger in another way, restating that she does not feel her needs are being met in this relationship, that she feels excluded (from my family, from having meaningful conversations with me are the big ones). Me stating that my mind and body is compromised when I sit and take her emotional/verbal abuse/hostility and that it makes the situation worse/more dangerous when I kid myself and her that I can take it.

The messages eventually ended around 11PM. She very bluntly said she was going to bed and for me to stop texting her. I did. I was somewhat glad to hear that shitstorm of communication was over and that she wasn't ending it on a note where I felt serious concern for her safety (i.e., suicide) but it certainly wasn't a positive note to end things on. The fact remains she said she will file for divorce. Maybe she will, maybe she won't but either way our relationship is in the toilet and there is so much hurt on both sides I have trouble seeing how we will heal. I am hurting so much right now...this is compounded by the hurt I can see/hear in her. It is breaking my heart.

I knew setting boundaries and enforcing them would be difficult but it is what was needed....I wish I had done it long ago before the quasi-abusive dynamic and hurts had piled up. I feel good about finally being firm with her about what I won't take from her....it's just that she heard it as blame (a HUGE trigger for her). I hope that as I continue to enforce this boundary she will not feel so emotionally ripped apart by it. If she doesn't divorce me that is (a possibility I know is very real, one that I do not want but am prepared for if that is what she chooses).
 
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Im glad you will take care of your self.
Just want to say that if some one told me its a bunch of bullshit it would make me a bunch of bullshit. Rather I feel hurt and upset when you say things like that and I can not accept that. Then I would understand that the other person has feelings and that Im doing you harm. That would atleast me think. Words are very important to many of us with ptsd and I know It demands a lot to be constructive when every thing seems a mine trap.

Wish you all the best anyhow.
 
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