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Keep sharing with us.

Thank you leehalf. I just now realized that yesterday was also my husbands birthday and even though part of me forgot it another bigger part of me did not and it makes sense to me because I have really been missing him lately. It is so hard to believe that he will have been gone going on June sixth of this year.

I wish I could also just have a rational conversation with my daughter and since last year we really have not tried to communicate with each other. She said she is done with me and for now I have to respect her choice. It is so hard because of the kids. It has been wrong to put the kids in the middle of this I think after being their grandmother for so many years.

Valentines Day is coming and I am going to get some cards and send them with letters to each of them inside the cards. I did this for Christmas and their birthdays last year. My daughter must have allowed it because they were not sent back to me like a letter was to my daughter.

Well that is my plan anyway.
 
(((@Rain ))):hug: ❤️ :hug:
I am sorry that I have just now seen this! You must be exhausted after this tsunami of emotions!

You do NOT deserve to be treated the way your daughter is treating you! Drugs, alcohol, being with a horrid and controlling man, and having a Personality Disorder (I think I have read that she has this) are ALL joining together and creating a living hell for her and your grandchildren.... Which means that YOU, the ONE who loves her no matter what, are paying the gigantic "price!"

YOU are not on drugs, not using alcohol to numb your feelings, so you are feeling EVERY emotion, with no SUBSTANCE to relieve the pain. Instead, you have done the RIGHT thing, and reached out to your support team!!!

First, may I applaud you for that? You made the right choice for the right reasons! GOOD JOB! You found out that you ARE LOVED, NEEDED, WANTED, and VALUED for WHO you are and NOT what you DO for someone. THAT IS GENUINE LOVE!❤️:hug:

You have received tough love, understanding, EXCELLENT advice, and you DESERVE EVERY BIT OF IT!

I only have a couple things to add. I don't know anything about Effexor, except that it is really hard to get off of. That's out of my realm of knowledge.

What I DO know, is that you CANNOT stop taking blood pressure meds! ABSOLUTELY! Just imagine not being on them and being in this much distress? Your BP would be sky high. Discontinuing those meds is physically dangerous, so PLEASE don't do that? (It sounds like maybe you have applied for State financial help?) I hope it works out!!!

One other suggestion.... Do you have a stuffed animal? It might sound silly.... But maybe you can sleep with it? Comfort that little girl that still lives in all of us?:hug::hug::hug:

Blessings, Peace, and prayers being sent your way!!!❤️
 
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One other suggestion.... Do you have a stuffed animal? It might sound silly.... But maybe you can sleep with it? Comfort that little girl that still lives in all of us?:hug::hug::hug:

Not silly at all, I sleep with three of them and use them for cuddling when I need to and they have helped me so much. I do believe in their magic.

Thank you so much for the tip about the blood pressure meds. I really appreciate this and thank you for your kindness to me.:hug:

Blessings, Peace, and prayers being sent your way!!!❤️

I cannot reply to your pc because I am not allowed to reply. I just wanted you to know okay?:hug:
 
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Thank you so much for seeing this! Now I get why she cut me off. Thank you so much for seeing what I have been unable to see. You have no idea how much this explains everything to me. Now I understand some of her anger towards me. It is fear based. She knows that I am not messing around anymore.:hug:

YUUUP! If I read your post right you said she sent you a film. Take it to social services and your grandchildren should be in your arms since you're next of kin. That would be her fear..

It's like Nike- JUST DO IT! :hug:

The guy she's with is beating her down too. ( with something) That's more pain for the cutting.

Very sad sweetie.. but do take your blood pressure pills. You'll get throught this. I take effexor..but haven't run out of medication.. I take gabapentin for a bad neck ( genes) but my bad doesn't stop me from working. The doc sees to that.

Another thought is... Everyone is lying to protect her and someone needs to tell the truth to protect her. Get some rest Rain!
 
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The guy she's with is beating her down too. ( with something) That's more pain for the cutting.

He has PTSD as a combat vet who had three deployments and is untreated so and since she is untreated she also has a lot of pain and many issues. I hope to be able to talk to the older one so I can at least check on them. I want to make sure that they are okay. I do not want to break up their home as the kids are devoted to them yet you are so right.

Everyone is lying to protect her and someone needs to tell the truth to protect her.

This is very true and I am the only one that has been speaking truth to her. But I never knew about the DV until the other day when it all hit at once that this is going on. They were fighting quite a lot the last I heard.

I will take the videos to CPS if I have to. I suddenly understand her very real fear and hatred and of me.

She has had a year on her own and is still very angry with me but she lied to me pretending to be a wrong number when I recently talked with her.

I am going to try to reach her once I find my center. I have made the hard decisions before and I am not in a position to care for the kids at this time as I live on a fixed income. One of the kids is recently turned eighteen so she is off benefits now. The little one just turned thirteen years old and she quit talking to me completely as my daughter has been telling her all sorts of lies about me.

I have so much to think about now and will talk to my therapist about what I have learned.

Thanks for your input because my eyes have really opened up and through what you have shared I have a lot of the pieces of this puzzle that gave me more understanding. I am really thinking hard right now about all of this. Thank you so much for sharing your perceptions with me.
 
I'm happy to help. It's tough to see something when you are in the middle of it but when you remove yourself from the situation, it does get clearer. We need others to help us. It took a lot for you to reach out and that's not easy. I still work, so I'm not on the boards all the time., so I'm just goimg to send you a big hug today! :hug:
 
I am under the confusing waves of realizing that I am responsible in a way that I am not aware of.
This is the most important thing that you have ever said that I have read of yours on this forum.

If you can sit with this and follow this, then you can grow and change, and actually get a life for yourself, and potentially by owning your responsibilities in the situation with your daughter, well then you could get your family back! Taking responsibility and owning your own behaviours means that you have a chance of making amends and fixing things up with your estranged family.

I am back in therapy and coming to the realization that I really hurt my daughter so bad
If you can be honest about this and own this then you have a chance of having belonging and connection again. If you can stick with your part of it, and deal with your part of it then you will have many more options as your life goes on.

I have been estranged from my only daughter and my two grandchildren for the last year. It is a very long story.
:cry: That is the hardest thing. I so feel for you!

I have been messed up my entire life and have been in years and years of therapy but mostly had bad therapists who did not really help me.
That is so sad. You are not alone this has happened to many of us.

but I do not why she is so against me.
Maybe when you humbly take responsibility for your own behaviours, and work at understanding how your behaviours effected your daughter, you might get an insight into your daughter's issues with you.

She never told me why she hates me so much.
That must be so sad and painful for you. Perhaps you can read parts of your own diary from your daughter's point of view, and maybe you can start to understand where she is coming from? Some of your diary does make for alarming reading! I am so pleased for you that you have moved beyond that!

I was in therapy trying to get help for all of us and got my kids into therapy and tried to turn things healthier but she wants nothing more to do with me and keeps the grandkids away from me and I cannot take it anymore.
I am guessing if she is not feeling heard by you, or she is feeling that you are not owning your own behaviours and taking care of the things that you are responsible for then she might be, (from her point of view) keeping her children safe from you, and your behaviours? The main thing now is that you are now finally seeing your behaviours as a potential problem. This is great progress!

Please help and I will answer any questions you have. Thank you. I am pretty desperate.
Sorry you are having such a terrible time of it! Are you able to explain how you are working on your part of the situation with your daughter and grandchildren now? How are those insights fueling your recovery? Have you read any recent books that are inspiring you to be a better person for yourself and the people around you? What can you do about it all? Great to read members getting out of blaming other people in their lives for their problems. Kudos to you!
 
... and the healthier you can be for her the better...
So true!

the best thing we can do for those we love is to get healthy ourselves and pray for them.
So true!

You are right about getting healthier though. I am still really unhealthy I guess.
That is a great focus!

... just felt as though she needed me to stay far away from her and the kids.
Maybe explore in therapy why your daughter might need you to stay away from her and the kids. If you change your behaviours that will certainly assist the situation.

... you are responsible is debatable. But I think it's very wise and a sign of great responsibility that you are now facing these things.
Looking into this could be a the pathway to freedom for you.

... It's really brave of you to look into these things.
You are really brave to even begin to think about these things!

My daughter is in a very bad place in her life and she had to cut me off because she is afraid that I am going to call the authorities on her to take her kids away.
After no contact for a whole year do you really think that this is it? I don't think this is it. This is just jumping to conclusions and magical thinking. Go ahead and ring the authorities they are not going to take you seriously after you haven't seen your grandchildren for a year. It will just come across as manipulative and spiteful, like you are seeking revenge to punish her for making the choice not to have you in her life. However much it pains us, it is the other person's right and choice to have us or not have us in their lives.

I understand why when I recently texted her that she pretended to be someone else. I could not understand why she lied to me about who she was.
Maybe because after a whole year of having no contact with you she couldn't believe that you are still not honoring her boundaries and not respecting her wishes? So she just thought well my Mother doesn't respect my boundaries or listen to me so I will just pretend to not be myself. I can see how an adult child desparate to get away from their Mother would do that. I still have to avoid my Mother and her incursions into my life despite making it clear more than a decade ago that I would never again have contact with her. If you are still trying to contact her you are causing her humungus stress and anxiety, no wonder she is so angry with you!

Yes she is very angry but at the same time, I realize that I am the easiest target for her anger. But she is afraid of me and sees me as the enemy that is a real threat to her and to her kids. You and everyone else helped me to put so many pieces together today and it really helped me to be able to face the facts and get some understanding.
That is so sad that it came back to this.

I wish I could also just have a rational conversation with my daughter and since last year we really have not tried to communicate with each other. She said she is done with me and for now I have to respect her choice. It is so hard because of the kids.
But your previous posts show this to not be accurate at all. You are still trying to text her, and she is having to pretend to be someone else to get away from you.

It has been wrong to put the kids in the middle of this I think after being their grandmother for so many years.
But you put the kids in the middle with those horrible letters, and you comments about their Mother.

I did this for Christmas and their birthdays last year. My daughter must have allowed it because they were not sent back to me like a letter was to my daughter.
So you are not respecting your daughter's wishes, boundaries or anything that she has said to you. You just keep going no matter what. How can you be surprised that she has cut you out of her life?

Take it to social services and your grandchildren should be in your arms since you're next of kin. That would be her fear...
And when her daughter shows the social services all the crazy making letters that Rain sent to the grandchildren...what do you think that they will think? The fact she is still incessantly trying to have contact?

They were fighting quite a lot the last I heard.
So Ezri is talking to you against your daughter's wishes?

I will take the videos to CPS if I have to. I suddenly understand her very real fear and hatred and of me.
This is the least of it. This is not the main issue. I am very sad that you would even consider this as a reasonable explanation.

She has had a year on her own and is still very angry with me but she lied to me pretending to be a wrong number when I recently talked with her.
That is not unreasonable given she has set boundaries which you do not respect with her.

I have made the hard decisions before and I am not in a position to care for the kids at this time as I live on a fixed income.
Well think twice about showing anything to the social services because the little one could be taken away and as you can't take her there is no point destroying her current situation. Being in the system is totally shit - there are plenty of people on this forum that can attest to that experience.

The little one just turned thirteen years old and she quit talking to me completely as my daughter has been telling her all sorts of lies about me.
That kid must be so confused after what she hears from you about her Mother, through all those vile letters, and what she hears about you from her Mother.

I have so much to think about now and will talk to my therapist about what I have learned.
Hopefully your therapist will call you on all this magical thinking, confirmation bias and distorted victim cognitions! This is really so sad. I thought from your first post in this thread you were really making progress, really willing to change and own your own stuff.

Thanks for your input because my eyes have really opened up and through what you have shared I have a lot of the pieces of this puzzle that gave me more understanding. I am really thinking hard right now about all of this. Thank you so much for sharing your perceptions with me.
Canvassing options and opinions that are easier to deal with, than actually facing your part of the situation is a really sad way to go, and it won't bring you happiness, or connection in the end.

This thread started with SO much promise. I feel really sorry for you, your daughter and your poor grandchildren who are just at the mercy of both your machinations.

I would start respecting your daughter's wishes and stop contacting her. You are violating her boundaries, and that is no way to build honesty, connection, community, family and relationships.

There are a heap of people on this forum that have to deal with highly dysfunctional parents. I cannot work out why everyone always agrees with everyone on the forum rather than challenge them on their biases. My Mother is a nightmare, and despite her always manipulating to try to get to me I just have to continually resist. There are so many people in that exact same position on this forum, where is the tough love, and the honesty, and confronting the absolute bullshit of a thread like this? This is really poor!
 
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