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Dom Violence Years of one foot in and one foot out

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no one's going to want me if I leave him
Yes, they will!

I was in a relationship with a combat vet that I see now was abusive. In the end, as pathetic as it sounds actually saying it, another relationship is what helped me leave....not even that really, but the possibility of another relationship, a healthy one. I told him I would leave again if he put hands on me. He did, we took a short break. Then he did again. I initiated a break again. When people used to ask me what I saw in him or why I was drawn to him, I would say that I felt we had this connection -- we got along well, there was never a dull moment or any awkwardness. But then I realized.....wait, I connect with everyone. I am a charismatic, loving, energetic, devoted individual that enjoys interacting with people, whether new or not. So having a "connection" with someone isn't enough of a reason to stay in a relationship that doesn't even allow me to truly be myself in the first place!

Luckily, we were already living separately. I also went through the range of excuses: I need to get the rest of my things back, I'll miss his dog, I'll miss his family, it's so many years to throw away, etc. In the end? I didn't get all of my things back. It was pricey to change all the locks, and kind of embarrassing to have to tell my neighbors to please be on the lookout for any males around my house. It was hard to have his family blame me (I realize now how enabling they are). It was hard to lose our mutual friends. It was hard to give up on something I had spent so much time working on. And it was hard to call the police and get advice (and a phone call on record) on what I should do next when he showed up at my house months later.

If you truly want to leave, my recommendations would be:
- Pack the most important/valuable things. Even better if you're able to do it while he is gone.
- Call and give your family the heads up.
- Don't take anything of his that might need to be exchanged later (house/apartment keys, etc.)
- Drive home.
- Once you're safely there, notify your landlord and anyone else (job, etc.)
- Send him a message (short and sweet) that is is over. Then block his (and his family/friends) phone number, email, social media, etc.
- Call the domestic violence hotline for advice. Sometimes it's nice just to talk to someone removed from the situation, especially if it gets hard to talk to friends and family. I called multiple times when I was going through my break up and it did help.
- Script a message (short and sweet) that you copy and paste each time a friend or family of his attempts to contact you on their own or on his behalf. Consistency here helps. Reply with the scripted message, then block the person from contacting you that way again.
- If the police have never been called about the relationship before (I had never called before), consider calling to talk to an officer asking for advice about how to proceed (whether that's a protective order, seeking harassment charges, etc.). Make sure that the call is recorded so that if something does happen moving forward, you at least have that on your side. At the very least, they should be able to direct you to the right department/resource.
- Start keeping a written record of everything -- any threats he makes, attempts to contact you after you've asked him to stop, etc.
- If he knows where the house you're moving to is, take caution when you're out and about. Be mindful of your surroundings.
- No matter what, DO NOT RESPOND to him. No matter what he says or does. (I know how hard this can be. Mine threatened suicide more than once after the breakup. I responded by calling a family member of his with the information and left it to them to handle. Or 911 for a welfare check is always an option.) Most likely, you can talk yourself blue in the face trying to explain it to him, but at the end of the day, relationships are voluntary. As soon as someone doesn't want to be in a relationship, they have the right to leave and they do not have to explain themselves. Relationships are always voluntary. He will most likely just keep trying to convince you to come back and, if he's anything like my ex, I'm sure he knows just what to say to make that happen.
- Start doing some serious self care! Gym or workout, if that's your thing. Get a therapist (it might require some trial and error at first). Eat right. Treat yourself to some flattering clothes. Cut your hair or do your makeup how you like. Take some time to remember what it's like to be you, not his version of you.

I didn't intend this to be so long. People told me to leave my ex from the very first day I joined this forum and I never listened because it was never "that bad", or "other women had it worse", or "it's not him, it's his PTSD". I spent three years with him and didn't realize how weighed down I was by insecurities and doubts that HE encouraged with his behavior. A few months into the breakup and I feel more myself than I think I have ever felt. I'm so relieved I could cry. Yes, I still look behind me constantly when I'm jogging. Yes, I still triple check that my doors are locked when I get home. Yes, I tense when I see a car that looks like his. Yes, I get up and check every time I see headlights in my bedroom. But you know what else I do? I make my own choices. I smile more. I engage with strangers, when he would shame me for it. I wear what I want to. I wear makeup without him asking "who are you dressing up for?". I can forget my phone somewhere, or simply turn it off, without fear of backlash. I can be proud of my heritage without him belittling it. I can be proud of my education without being mocked for it. I can disagree without fear. I can voice my own opinion without caution. I can be in a relationship with someone who I trust....trust not to put hands on me, trust not to lie to me, trust not to call me names, trust not to threaten me, trust to be respectful to my family and friends, trust to be faithful to me. The ability to trust again in a relationship, and the newfound love I have for myself makes leaving better than I could have ever imagined.

I wish you all the luck in whatever you end up deciding to do :hug:
 
Also wanted to add that the one phrase I kept reminding myself of that helped me through was that I wasn't helping either one of us by enabling his bad behavior and staying in the relationship -- my staying wasn't only hurting me, but hurting him too. He needs to get better, and a relationship with me wasn't the answer to that.
 
Yes, they will!

I was in a relationship with a combat vet that I see now was abusive. In the end, as pa...

You've shared so many parallels that I identify with. War vet (though he sort of fabricated his service, initially - he never saw combat), has crossed lines and put his hands on me but hasn't physically hurt me, I feel we have a good "connection" etc. I too tried the "no hands on me" ultimatum, but either talked myself back into staying, or he did, several times over.

I know it's easy to default to a bunch of excuses in this situation, but getting out got much trickier for me after we moved states. My friends and family aren't here, and leaving him for good is daunting and requires a couple days of driving. We have pets. We have a lease that requires a police order to break. I am the breadwinner and feel guilty about leaving him with nothing.

What you've said you have now is everything I want. I don't want to feel guilty for enjoying my life outside of him, or worry about doing chores "incorrectly." He's pushed family and friends from his life due to being judgmental and negative (he calls it "telling it like it is") and jealousy that their world doesn't revolve around him. I'm about to go on a short trip with some friends, and it's the first trip I'll have taken for myself in years that isn't work-related. Even though he encouraged me to go initially, I can already tell that it's going to be a problem. I'm already wondering, how is he going to make me pay emotionally for this trip? What is the trade-off going to be?

I really want to make the choice to leave, but I'm also stuck in that "maybe he will get it and change" mode. He clearly knows what abuse is, he hasn't done anything that's physical in months, and the longer that's true, the less sure I feel of the choice I really want to make.
 
he calls it "telling it like it is"
I heard this same phrase many times.

We have a lease that requires a police order to break.
Make a pro-con list, if that helps. Pros of leaving, cons of leaving -- or pros of staying, cons of staying. (Just not anywhere he will find it.)

but I'm also stuck in that "maybe he will get it and change" mode.
You said y'all have been together 6 years, right? If he's going to change, he would have already, right? But he hasn't. Why would he if you stayed all this time anyway, despite the way he's treated you? (Not blaming, just thinking of it as reinforcing behavior). I didn't realize it until later, but I was always held back from leaving by thinking that if he could just love me enough, he would treat me better. If I could just be the perfect partner, then he would have no reason to treat me this way. But there is no such thing as a perfect partner. What there is, however, is compromise. But a relationship doesn't work if only one person is compromising, which is what was happening with mine, and what sounds like is happening with yours.....

Hopefully, my ex will find someone who is better at making and enforcing boundaries than me, someone who doesn't need as much reassurance as I do, who doesn't like PDA or other displays of affection, or who doesn't require monogamy. But just because that's what he needs (or wants/thinks he wants), doesn't mean I need to lower myself or my standards to be that person for him. Because he's shown time and time again he wouldn't do any such thing for me. You don't need to lower yourself either. If your basic needs aren't being met, what's the point?
 
I heard this same phrase many times.


Make a pro-con list, if that helps. Pros of leaving, cons of lea...
The list is a good idea. I think it's a good idea for any type of relationship.

I think I've told myself that he has changed? But it's unclear if I think that because I've normalized certain behaviors that would have been unacceptable before him, and as far as inexcusable behaviors, I physically remove myself from the home once my boundaries are crossed. Sometimes I remove myself from the home before my boundaries are crossed and I'm just worried they could be. It's good I'm putting up these boundaries for my safety, but in the process I've given myself this false notion that he's improving. Not only that, but I've handed him more manipulation ammo to use examples of how well he's doing. He didn't get so mad that he called me a name, he didn't throw any objects, he didn't block me in a room.
 
I also left an abusive partner. He was physically abusive. That was 30 years ago and I still sometime wait for that bullet to hit me. He almost shot me once because he thought I was breaking in, even though people who break in your house don't flush the toilet. He then proceeded to scream at me because of it. I could not figure out why I was in trouble for him almost shooting me. I'm tall, and he once asked me if I had gained a pound. One pound. Really? The last straw was when he beat me so badly I tried to jump out of a closed 2nd story window over concrete to get away from him. I figured if he was going to kill me, I would die trying to leave.
 
the sheer inconsistency of when he gets upset about petty things, or the fact that he often does those same petty things himself, or things similar to them. When he's mad about some chore I did wrong it's always a setup

Ha! You think?! One of his last “meltdowns” ...I knew it was coming he had been building for days so sooooo careful sidestepped him, I am a pro by now, believe me. So tried cheering him up, paying for things, sex...whatever he wanted and of course he wanted nothing. He just brewed and stormed...waiting for me to slip up. I know the game and so do you. But I did nothing, lol...I was quiet as a mouse one eve..reading on my ipad... barely moving and not laughing outloud...that always pissed him off even though he never said it.

But then I realized he was saying something...slowly louder and louder...I had kept him secretly in view so I could monitor him....and then I realized I better acknowledge so I sat up, took out my earplugs and nicely asked him what he needed.

He started screaming at me....I “asked him to repeat himself” and thus treated him like a “school boy” so he utterly unleashed on me. That moment I saw him clearly and all of his bullshit. He was so pathetic that was the best he could catch me on....the dumbest lamest exucse to unleash.

As Bundy says....they don’t have a problem with anger...they have a problem with OUR ANGER. We are not allowed, we are living breathing ashtrays for their petty shallow selves. Of course he understands abuse! These guys aren’t dumb, they are playing us! Mine is an upstanding highly educated man with a fabulous reputation...unless you know him ;)

Or you are a wait person that dared not mind read his every wish. Mine would talk about the horror of abuse and how those people deserved the death sentence. But later to taunt me he would quietly read a rape story then comment “there is more to the story” in his dissmissive arrogant way.

Find another DV group, I tried 3 then found my fit and we speak of specifics, it’s what helps drive the abuse fog away. Let me put it this way....I thought my abuse was say level 2 out of 5. After getting free physical abuse aside it was a 4. And several counselors and legal people went white at my story and feared he might kill me.

But I thought it was just a “2”. If you have a place to go, just go. A key piece for me was to get away from him physically for a random reason..he was in my life 24/7 but I had a reason for the first time in over 11 yrs.

My head cleared quickly and it hit me I needed to run now, now later. Find a reason and get around normal people and the fog will lift for you too.

Life is good on the other side is better than I could have hoped for...I should be lonely, scared and more.

But I’m not, not at all I feel 20 yrs younger. I had a glass of wine tonight after a fun day touring the city. Now I’m taking a long hot shower because I can...and I don’t have to worry about him yelling at me for wasting energy and water.

I hope you smile at these little things that are so small and silly but I am so happy anymore.

You can do it...take one more step,do one thing each week towards your real life.

Whirlwind
 
@Whirlwind that stuff you just posted sounds so familiar to me. Great description of domestic violence and being inside of such a situation.

When I was in my DV situation, it was only at the end that I began to admit to myself "this stuff is really bad, this is abuse, this is assault" etc. Previous to that point, I was being sexually assaulted practically daily, I had even had bones broken by him, and yet I was still in denial about how bad he was. It's insane the level of mental manipulation guys like that can do.
 
The time my ex last lashed out at me physically, I could tell it was going to happen, as well. He was having an off day (I'm still not sure why) and was being extremely confrontational with everyone. We were at an event with his family, so I avoided him completely until the entire group was sitting together. At this point in time, I had been in therapy for a while, had been on medication for GAD for a while (diagnosed since we'd been living together), and was super active on this forum. I'm not always calm and docile in response to his outbursts, but I certainly was this time. Only replying with, "no, I don't understand how you're feeling", "you're right", and "I'm sorry that is how I made you feel". He said some of the most vile things he's ever said to me (while we were in public), and was a bit grabby. My friend and I walked with him away from the big group for a minute to cool off and he did. Apologized for the way he was acting and saying he was having trouble snapping out of it. He seemed very lucid at that moment, and I was proud of that, despite his behavior. On the way home, he continued verbally lashing out at me (personal insults), until we dropped his sister off at her house. That's when he started hitting me. I left the next day. He wanted to make it up to me, so we met up, which ended in be crying quietly at the restaurant while he again verbally lashed out at me about my personality, my body, my family, and my past.

I removed myself as much as I could, but he always found a reason, an excuse, to wear me down, which ultimately led me to stay as long as I did, because who would love me? He tore me down in order to build himself up, and the most mad he got was in the end, when I had zero reaction and he realized he had zero control. And that's not love.

Mine used to also get mad when I laughed. Or when I talked too fast. Or when I didn't hear him and asked him to repeat himself. But, those are all things that make me me.....

We're all telling you how much happier we are, and how we didn't realize how bad it was until we left, which I'm pretty sure you will feel as well. But ultimately, it's up to you. Just don't discount yourself or the way you're feeling. Try not to doubt yourself. If you're feeling it? It's real enough.
 
Ha! You think?! One of his last “meltdowns” ...I knew it was coming he had been building for days...
I'm sure this isn't your first time hearing this, but reading your experiences is so helpful. The simple act of you sharing a real-life example of the abuse makes me feel much less alone.

I know Lundy explained this, but the "build up" is a real thing. I've spent too much time trying to understand why it happens or how I can prevent it, and on top of that, completely forgetting about the "build up" during an extended period of peace. I think I'm very much embedded in that peaceful period right now, and regardless of the number of years I've spent in this fluctuating state, I actually have myself convinced that it's not going to happen again! The brain does some weird things in that stockholm-syndrome type state.

I'd love to feel the freedom that you have achieved after being true to yourself. I often fantasize about extreme ways I could get this, like he finally breaks and hits me in the face, and I no longer feel guilty about leaving, or he cheats on me, and it's a clear decision. I know that I already have the option to leave him, that I don't need something so extreme, but I'm still here.
 
The time my ex last lashed out at me physically, I could tell it was going to happen, as well. He was ha...
This sounds so stressful, and familiar.

I have to wonder if incidents like this have decreased for me because my partner and I have become so isolated. Our last "big" incident was when we went out to a bar with some friends in my home state, and he got irritated by something I'm still not clear about. The event ended with us walking to our car, and him getting so angry during an argument that he grabbed me by the neck and lifted me off the ground. He left me in that neighborhood alone, and I had to Uber home. We've since moved to another state where we barely know anyone, the population is smaller (less traffic, less stress), and his extreme incidents are few and far between. I've never felt worse, though. More alone and confused than ever.
 
I realised that mine had been showing less of the extreme behaviours he used to show and actually I think it was because he had me fairly well trained. ..

One day a couple months ago I spoke up for me and confronted him about his abusive behaviour. Instantly he was abusive, and for hours. It made me realise it hadnt gone anywhere. It hadn't lessened at all. Just he'd successfully manipulated me to be how he wanted.
 
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