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Overcoming learned helplessness?

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I have yet to really explore this whin myself but with my therapist's help I understand it's a problem. When I am in a situation and feel powerless, helpless, vulnerable, exposed, I am triggered back to my twelve year old self and the arson. When I have time to reflect on how I acted in the situation I feel terribly ashamed. I really lean into myself mentally and beat myself bloody for acting like a scared twelve year old.

It makes me not want to engage in life or interact with people...fear, I have it in spades.
 
It is a term coined by the psychologist Martin Seligman in the late 1960/early 1970’s. First disc...

I have a problem with this article as it puts PTSD sufferers into the less resilient category and says that having certain strengths guards against getting ptsd. If this is true, then only weak people get PTSD. I don’t believe this is true because there are optimistic resilient people who end up with chronic PTSD. I don’t think these people actually know what the disorder is about.

You can be the most resilient person in the world, but if you have severe PTSD, it doesn’t matter how optimistic you are as the damage is done. A sunny disposition won’t make you better than you were before the trauma. Your body and mind are damaged.
 
Possibly?.. that is listening to another or other's abusive language, and believing their opinion is com...

Hi JuneBug, apologies for not following and investigating this topic further as I intended.. Its been another fun packedweek..

I haven't during this thread defined what I believe 'learned helplessness' to be. I believe the article posted earlier in this thread does a fair job at capturing it. I'm not a clinical psychologist therefore lack the relevant qualifications and adequate knowledge to define it. I'm merely trying to find ways of tackling it by helpful communication with others on this forum.

The reason I say it's dependant on the individual as it truly depends on the type of trauma, number of repeated episodes, perception of whether a care taker could have stopped the abuse or not.. As this forum caters to many diverse individuals, all with unique experiences I feel unable to say all have this behaviour... A credited mental health professional would have to diagnose.

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It appears the article posted earlier does a good job at capturing how to build inner resilience and buffer the learned helplessness behaviour. To me learned helplessness does appear as a spiritual matter.. You lose all faith in yourself, your care takers and God.. I feel a start would be to incorporate a spiritual dialog between one's self and a higher 'order', Whereby you can hold faith in something other than you. I feel a sense of meaning does need to be made of the trauma, and a helpful one.. This has to empower individuals to overcome such a core wound and offer perspective to push onwards with life.
 
Thank you @InsertCoinsHere sorry to have bothered you.

@InsertCoinsHere sorry ETA I had to come back, coudn't stay meant to say thank you for the explanation, I appreciate it and understand, and FWIW your theory sounds like it has basis. But I can't get through the article (yet) and have no idea if it applies to myself so I am no use at all! :( But sounds like you're on the right track for you.
 
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Reading the article (twice) , I might wonder if what you described as Spiritual Support and the related questions you posed (though not as they defined it) may be a starting point @InsertCoinsHere for overcoming learned helplessness [as I still believe @MyWillow 's point of unpredictability in influencing one's environment being the biggest factor- reinforced by intermittent reinforcement (but with no rhyme or reason, and therefore no control, which in itself causes not only hopelessness but intense anxiety, because what works one minute may have the opposite effect or no effect at all, the next) ].

But oddly, googling I found this opinion indicating contrary findings to post-traumatic growth, that self-perception of it actually is corelated to greater distress later:

The Trouble With Post-Traumatic Growth

I do believe, whether it applies to myself or not, learned helplessness contains an element of defeat out-surpassing an absence of positive thinking, depressive styles or depression, or sheer effort. For one thing, denial superficially looks like a positive thinking style too, framed as a strength of sorts, yet leads to longer-term suffering than perhaps breaking down and regrouping in a different direction.

I suppose what I don't understand in terms of the article's basis in science, is how we can pre-suppose 'why' Walter seemed to lack resiliency based on that (he obviously internalized, by their explanation, the job loss due to personal, internal deficiencies, a sign of poor self-esteem and/or depression, +/or lack of confidence), but more obviously- Wall Street is notoriously cut-throat, competitive (CEO's are prized for a 'bendable moral code' in the literature)- perhaps that area was really not atune to his internal moral compass, or a variety of other potential explanations. Perhaps he hated the field. if he was being honest with himself? Similarly, going back to live with his parents- not sure if that would be considered an option for many, unless there were again other factors in play (working previously on Wall Street one could reasonably expect he would / could return to care 'for' his parents, not the other way around, by that age, and regardless of job loss, or surely would expect to be, sooner than later?) Nor would it indicate he necessarily experienced trauma as a child in their presence, or would he see that as a safety net? Etc.Because extrapolating, one can have learned helplessness but nonetheless still must survive, or try to, given no other options.

This you said makes the most sense to me and is a far better and more encompassing descriptor of the sheer impact:

To me learned helplessness does appear as a spiritual matter.. You lose all faith in yourself, your care takers and God.

When one can't consistently affect their environment, nothing makes the same kind of sense or is taken for granted in the way others see it, predictability or reward-assurance is thrown out the door. There is little rhyme or reason to what doesn't make sense, and even less personal power or influence expected or pre-supposed, based on following what others would consider 'normal' routes to achievement or security, let alone dreams or goals. JMHO though.
 
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Has it benefited you? How?
I had it and didn't help.
Learned helplessness for me is the inability to face ones issues in light of a disability, when we can do it even with said disability.
When I put my fate in the hands of a higher power, I relinquished the ability to consider my own involvement in my future.
That's my take and my life, YMMV.

I do believe, however, it can help people.
It just didn't help me.
 
having certain strengths guards against getting ptsd.
Yes, agreed with you @EveHarrington - it is not that cut and dried. It's too narrow in focus.

The article's research deals with one factor (loss of job) and tries to extrapolate it out to trauma and PTSD. Losing a job might be bad...but it's not (I think) a crit. for PTSD. At least as it is defined today? maybe I read it wrong idk? What is a weak personality anyway?

When one can't consistently affect their environment, nothing makes the same kind of sense or is taken for granted in the way others see it, predictability or reward-assurance is thrown out the door.

Yes, I agree with your description better @Junebug.

Actually both articles don't accept/acknowledge the random factor in their scope. Eg. The noise experiment - subjects press the button at some point and escape! Idk...
Random effects everything. Once a personality has been subjected to sufficient trauma to damage or cause PTSD randomness becomes a major environmental factor...leading back to Junebug's description.
 
It seems to me that post traumatic growth is a post PTSD phenomenon. Where does that put those of us who have PTSD for life?

I like that article on post traumatic growth. It sort of puts things in perspective. You were raped? OF COURSE you are going to have more compassion for rape victims! I don’t personally call this some great phenomenon of post traumatic growth so much as the basic condition of being human. As in, with any trial or tribulation we naturally feel for compassion for those who endure the same, even on a very simple/basic level (such as something so simple as getting pulled over by the cops and getting a speeding ticket).

I personally think that while we can grow from trauma, it’s not this super-fantastic thing that has been touted....I think the IDEA of post traumatic growth is bigger than what it actually is because people need to have a reason for their pain and suffering. See? The reason for all that crap was coming out the other side as a better person! Look at how I’ve improved!
 
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