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The journey begins ... or continues ... articulating the rollercoaster that is my life

You never had a chance to know you deserved better until later.

You were raised into this. You didn'...
That is very true, very kind and very helpful.

Thank you littleoc:hug: You never cease to amaze me with, how brilliant, how insightful, how resilient, how wise, how kind, how compassionate and how supportive you are. You are a beautiful soul.:tup:
 
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Don't get discouraged if the weight loss stalls for a bit. The initial weight loss is usually water weight, so it goes fast. Then when you're losing fat it slows down. There were 3 months there where I loss nothing on the scale but volume kept shrinking.

I'm very proud of you for all you are achieving.
You're one hell of a woman :)
 
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Don't get discouraged if the weight loss stalls for a bit. The initial weight l...
I'm not worried. I'm actually losing. I've done it before plenty of times. I've lost all my baby weight, 7 times and stress weight gain after that too. I can tell it's actual fat loss, when I wake up in the morning and my tummy is less. My stomach has shrunk so I can't eat anywhere near the volume I used to eat. I'm sure it will slow down, as in general, the last bit is stubborn. Getting below the weight that my body grew comfortable carrying, was a challenge, initially, but now, my body wants to convert fat to energy and is doing it very efficiently.
It's all about the preparation and the right supplements. Using the potassium ketones is amazing!
 
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Don't get discouraged if the weight loss stalls for a bit. The initial weight l...

Thank you for the lovely encouragement and compliments :-) :hug::hug::hug::hug: I think you are amazing too. We've both come a long way.:rolleyes::smug::inlove::happy:

kudos for your weight loss, too @Sietz , it's equivalent to kicking a drug habit, not easy stuff. You and I have both kicked some kick arse goals, here's to more! (Wine glass emojo):p
 
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I've read you can't really lose 4kg of fat in 2 weeks, That's why I said it, not as criticism. Just information. Hope you didn't mind. :hug:
 
I'm a few posts late to the party, sorry, but:
Re: bashing and slashing -
I'm only speaking from my own experience - but:
There's something so uncomplicated about good old-fashioned physical violence compared to emotional abuse.
The hardest bits to unf*ck for me have been the emotional stuff. There's literally nothing complicated about being hit or physically hurt on purpose. I mean, it's shitty. But it's not messy thought-wise. They were angry, they hit me, job done.

And then there's the systematic stuff: they hit me when they're angry. And that becomes the belief that I deserve to be hit. Or, when I'm upset he says I'm crazy. He says that so often it becomes the belief that I am crazy.
And then there's the sadistic stuff: they hurt me in some f*cked up physical way. And they either a) liked that power, or b) literally gave zero f*cks I was suffering. Or. They hurt me so much emotionally, liking the power of upsetting me, and literall y giving no f*cks how much it hurt.

So yeah. I think we have this kinda ingrained belief in a 'hierarchy of abuse.' Like, emotional is less bad than physical which is less bad than sexual. Personally, I think that's bullshit. Utter bullshit. It's privileged white-male 'civilized' 'scientific' medical establishment utter crap, and Maslow can shut up. (I may go and have a rant on my own thread about the 'scientific hierarchy of pain.)
For those of us who live in our heads much more than our bodies, for those of us who attach much more meaning to our self-belief than who we have sex with, emotional stuff is the worst.
I'd much rather be punched in the face than be gaslit and headf*cked and told all that shit he told you.
Denying you medical treatment was systematic and sadistic.
I know it doesn't fit the classical definition of what "physical abuse" is, but, I don't feel comfortable saying there was 'no physical abuse' in your relationship, because of the physical toll it took on you. Like, maybe there was no hitting or no kicking or no slapping or no whatever, but I don't think it was entirely emotional.
I reckon what happened to you was physical, even if he didn't hit you.
But in the long run I almost died of organ failure and multiple

"so many parasites, it was like I had lived in India all my life" said the diagnostician.

Like, wtf? I don't think I'll ever believe that your abuse had no physical impact.

Not that it's an important distinction to make to me. Emotional shit is the worst, physical shit is the worst, sexual shit is the worst, it's all the worst.

I just... I'm so angry that you suffered that. I'm angry about the absolute disregard he showed you as a human being. I'm angry at the lack of medical care you had while you had seven (!!!) Children.
Quite frankly it's a miracle you're alive. Maybe, being doctor-spawn with a mum who seems to think it's appropriate to share your work-day with a five year old, I heard a few more medical horror stories about childbirth than your average person. Like, double transfusions with doctors pumping blood into both arms while the otherwise healthy mother gives birth, she survived,luckily, stories.
Childbirth is still the world's biggest killer of women. The biggest killer for children under five? Diarrhoea. The major killer for people aged 15-44 in Aus? Suicide.
Like, it's so f*cked up.
You could have died from any one of the multiple things that your body was put through. And times that by 7 for complicating factors in your pregnancy.
So yeah. f*ck your bastard ex, essentially.

I've been through anything, because mine is because of my utter defectiveness, badness and "craziness".
I know how that feels... but, so so so so so so so so so so not true.
And - here's how I logic myself out of that particular hole.
Even if what my traumabrain says is true - I could be as crazy and bad and terrible as it says - I still would not deserve what she did to me. It's not possible to deserve that.
 
It's not possible to deserve that.
Agreed.

What goes in my head when I think I deserve it, it's the thing about being inherently despicable and disposable because of those traits - bad, crazy, defective.
Much of my own beliefs and actions spoke to that notion.
When bacteria turn against the whole, they're separated to be alone. Human society acts much in the same way. If you're defective you'll be isolated.
And if the entire society of humans together acts this way, by us not taking part of it we end up isolated too. Sometimes we isolate ourselves first so there's isn't a chance to be hurt by others. Or we join society in that hatred.
 
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Getting ill and being in physical pain for years while being screamed at, gaslit, threatened with losing my children and having my pleas for help riduculed and turned into abuse and more shaming, well, it was only my due and my fault.
This makes me want to cry for you. You are such a wonderful person -- how you survived all this and stayed wonderful is just beyond my comprehension

You were raised into this. You didn't know there was a way out. That you figured it out at all is amazing, because you were never taught that. You had to figure it all out for yourself.
EXACTLY!!

I'd much rather be punched in the face than be gaslit and headf*cked and told all that shit he told you.Denying you medical treatment was systematic and sadistic.
This! ^^^^^^

Even if what my traumabrain says is true - I could be as crazy and bad and terrible as it says - I still would not deserve what she did to me. It's not possible to deserve that.
This is so very true. No one, NO ONE, deserves to be treated the way you were. There is nothing --- nothing!!!!-- in the world that you could have done that would have excused this behavior. There is no way in the universe that you deserved to be hurt like this. You aren't crazy. You survived living with a psychopath for years - that is damned impressive. It didn't make you crazy. It left you with physical and mental wounds to recover from. And I'm wondering if that is what your kids are seeing in you now that they are older? The survival skills you used and passed on to them? Not only do they love you - but they are also learning how much they respect you for all the horrible things you survived
 
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I've read you can't really lose 4kg of fat in 2 weeks, That's why I said it, not as criticism....
No I don't mind. It's bounced up a little anyway. I went out to dinner last night, with sonny boy. It was a pretty epic vegan meal, a three course and I drank too much wine. I did go dancing afterwards but I forgot to take the ketones beforehand, which probably would have helped metabolize the meal and wine with the exercise. Anyway, even though I hadn't really eaten all day (bad, I know) I am back up to 84.1 this morning. I'm also totally wiped from the night on the town.

I'm not disputing what you're saying, but I.know from experience that the low carb diet is a rapid weight loss diet, especially for obese people. I got out of the pre-diebetic zone with it before. I'm not doing it properly, as prescribed, though (I have the Michael Mosley book and recipe book).

I'm using a combination of 5and2, ketones, nigella seed oil, grapefruit oil, glucomannan, low carb and just listening to my body plus emotional processing and lots of herb teas and exercise.

If I can find my ocotea oil I'll use that too. I'm also taking adaptagens and glutathione and extra zinc, magnesium, vitamin C, vitamin D3, royal jelly (whole food source of b vitamins and more)
 
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I'm a few posts late to the party, sorry, but:
Re: bashing and slashing -
I'm only speaking from my own e...
Thank you so much @Swift.
It does help to validate how shitty things can be/were. I handled the births alright. The first one was where I thought "what if this goes on all day like this, how will I bare it?" But I just told myself not to think about it and just breath. Luckily it wasn't a long one. I had to fill up the bath myself, coz he didn't even believe I was in labour "Your waters haven't even broken yet". Newsflash, my waters don't break until the baby's crowning, I learned that after the fact.
The second one was tough, small baby but long, very long, exhausting labour, plus my hair caught on fire while in labour and they let the water get cold (it was Melbourne, actually Kinglake, up near st Andrews in the mountains, middle of winter, it snowed there the next day). I found the afterbirth pains the worst and would get very sick after births as I always had to get up and keep working and didn't get any aftercare. I got infections in my womb, very scary, delirum and sometimes mastitis. Not good.

He was happy that he could keep me away from hospitals (I was terrified of authorities and that they would take my children away from me). He said "I've delivered animals before, there's nothing to it, if the cord is around the neck, you just wait for the contraction to stop, push the baby back and lift the cord from around the neck" he said it so confidently.

Luckily, I'm an amazing birther. Thank you body, for keeping me alive. Often, we were in places where access to medical help would have taken too long anyway, or, we had no phone, terrible access, a long way away from hospitals. I midwived myself.

I used to get up and do gigs pretty quick. Especially with the next two, 10 days after my first daughter was born I was performing again, pub gig in.Mullumbimby (she was born in a carpark) and two days before the birth, contracting up at twin towns right through the gig. And the week after my middle son (estranged beautiful "feminist" vegan 22 year old, not the queer one, this one has an awesome musician girlfriend) he was born in a camping ground. We had a tour booked for a month after he was due but he was a month late. Very, very large, almost overcooked baby.

The next week we had an album to record and then went on tour. I was very ill after him. I got in trouble for falling asleep in the middle of sex a few weeks after too. Got screamed at. I had bad, bad, bad postpartum depression. Recorded one of my songs and the depression told me it was terrible. l've listened to it since and it was quite good. Ex never let me finish it and has now destroyed the recording. Pity, coz we had amazing musicians, I won't be able to get them again. It was a very special track, of a song I wrote when I was 18, ok, maybe 19.

The post partum infections were the worst. I guess living on the road and in shacks in the bush with no power and proper amenities isn't the best for hygiene, either.

My special son got badly burnt in the middle of all this. A bad boiling water burn on the thigh. And when we were in the recording studio following baby number 4's birth (son with cool girlfriend), special son nearly drowned in the pool of the lady, we, stupidly, left our children with, while working. He was airlifted to Lismore Base. He was 2 and a half, well, closer to three, but being a "failure-to-thrive" baby he was a tardy developer. The doctor told us to get him some speech pathology, but ex said, as usual "no, he's fine". I finally got him some when he has fourteen, before his Dad f*cked that up too.

Having a disabled son? And not being able to get him any help for years? Having him so sick for so long and not being supported to get any medical help? One of the worst things. One of the things we ended up fighting over the most. He still refuses to acknowledge that he has a son with special needs.
Just some of my shitty shit. Thanks for caring @Swift. It means a lot to me. :)
 
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It amazes me Mums, what you did then, and what you do now, for your kids. And having to leave them in order to save your own life. I just can't begin to imagine. I guess I find it so hard to know that you still struggle so hard with what an amazing woman you are. I understand the WHY,,, because it was a lot more complicated than I made it sound.. but for you to have endured all you have, and still be available for your kids , is the strongest statement about motherhood I have ever been witness to in your words....

I need to read you about your children. It helps me to put my own situation into perspective , and tho I love him, always will, and will be here for him if he ever comes back, but I will always have your words in my heart. You are so much more than a survivor... and an awesome Mum on top of it all... much respect for your journey... tender hugs for all the times you were alone and scared.
 

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