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Uncertain over which way to go with therapy

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Hi, this is the first post I´ve made here, although I´ve found this forum helpful previously to sort out some of the questions I´ve had about my condition that I´ve found I haven´t gotten proper answers from therapy and so on (awkwardly admitting forum-lurking).

I was diagnosed with "tentative" complex ptsd (due to it not being recognized) and a conversion disorder (in the form of muscle spasms and seizures) in the late summer/early fall of 2016.

My trauma stems from my birth mother and the early part of my childhood (until I was seven) that I lived with her. She´s been diagnosed with borderline, schizophrenia and bipolar at different points in her life, although I´m not actually sure if all or any of these diagnoses really apply to her (she´s very manipulative and have made therapists think that she´s "all good now" several times, while not actually making any of the changes IRL). I don´t feel like going into any more extensive description of her right now.

I´ve been seeing a psychotherapist specialized in trauma and dissociation (which is one of the symptoms I´ve been struggling with a lot) since about a year and a half. We´ve had some success with working with some of the dissociation, although I probably have a lot more left there. The last period we´ve kind of been in this standstill, which we´ve discussed, but I´ve been left with the impression that my therapist doesn´t know how to treat me. She´s brought up concern that depressive symptoms I´ve been showing are outside of her range skill-wise. A few weeks back she asked me if I was okay with if a colleague interviewed me to check if I had some kind of mood disorder, which I was fine with. I´ve had periods of varying degrees of depression since I was about 11, so it surprised me that this seemed new to her (my depression), but most likely the focus has been elsewhere and I´ve been better at hiding it than I thought.

Anyway, I wasn´t aware that I was also going to be assessed for personality disorders as well because my therapist didn´t inform me - and I really would´ve liked a heads up on that one, because I respond very negatively emotionally to anything that reminds me of my mother (and personality disorder-talk definitely does). On one hand, I know that my therapist is not responsible for my emotions, on the other hand I feel slightly f*cked over. I know this is something I´ll have to bring up with her when I see her again, but I just have no idea how to bring it up without coming off as a shit.

The assessment is now finished, the therapist who assessed me wanted to wait with making any decision on the personality disorder-front but it´s pretty much obvious that I have some form of ongoing depression. The suggestions for further treatment have been Prolonged Exposure or EMDR (both of which my current therapist can do), but the problem with that is that I might be too depressed to be able to follow through with it (or that´s what I´m being told by them at least). This, combined with my terrible self-image and having a history with self-destructive behavior, has led to there being suggestions that I either need another form of treatment (DBT has been suggested) before doing any further trauma work, or that I need to combine the trauma treatment with something else. In any of these cases I would have to either change clinics completely, or stay with my current therapist but, like, "supplement" with treatment from another clinic.

I´m writing here about it now, because I find it all just really confusing and I don´t really know what I should be doing. I find it odd that a trauma specialist doesn´t know how to treat depressive symptoms since they´re so common, and it stresses me out that I might have to either start off again with someone else or just start talking to yet another person about all this. I´ve considered asking if there´s someone else at my current clinic who at least has some competence with depression, but I know it takes me a lot of time to find enough trust to talk more freely, so any way I go it feels like I might be pushing the re-set button on the work I´ve been doing.
 
I also find it strange your therapist is unable to handle depression, especially since it's so common with PTSD. I know it is hard to start with a new therapist, but what about meeting with one at another clinic just for an initial consultation? There's no harm in getting a second opinion.
 
Yeah, problem would be finding another clinic that can treat trauma. Where I live they´re the only place, as far as my research has gone. They´ve divided up the clinics locally by patient group essentially, so my options would be either to find someone else at the same clinic (but again, if the general opinion there is that depression is outside of their box?? I´ve just talked to her, the one that assessed me plus doctors, so I don´t know if everyone else is the same) or look for something private (which I can´t afford, so it´s not really an option anyway) - or I just go with their suggestions of some kind of confusing dual treatment (which is probably not as confusing as I´m making it out to be in my head atm).
 
I think that with those of us who have anything but true one trauma PTSD.....it’s impossible for one therapist to take us from start to finish in healing.

That is, you’ll get a lot further if you see various therapists over the years because no one therapist can specialize in everything.

And, no one therapy type is likely to give you all the skills you need, and take you through processing, etc.

I know this isn’t what you wanted to hear, but in reality your healing will go father with knowledge and assistance from multiple health professionals.
 
I think I get your point though. I have symptoms that are a bit all over the place (kind of comes with it, I guess), so there not being one single therapy form to suit the need does make sense. I don´t know if I came off as completely against seeing anyone else but my current therapist, that´s not really the problem, although I do think it´s a pain to transition between people. I´ve been talking to several others before being diagnosed, and so on.

I guess this is kind of an individual thing either way, but are there any certain combinations of therapies that work well with each other?

Thanks for your honesty.
 
Are you able to look the clinic's doctors online and see if their specialties are listed. Normally, you are able to find descriptions of what individual doctors consider their main focus in therapy. If not, call the clinic, without giving informations as to who you are, and simply ask if they have any therapists or doctors who specialize in PTSD. If so, and it is not your therapist, change to the one that is.
 
I will throw some ideas:
Your therapist is not good. I could be biased but I think she is trying to tell you that you are borderline but of course this diagnosis is not easy one to give so she cowered over you and involved others to prove her point - that to me is a bad therapist. I am thinking this way because you said you were doing DBT. I may not understand the full post but it sort of resonated with me about your past so I was struck by your story.

This diagnosis may not so far off if your mother had it. One of the great trait of trauma is unfortunately we pick the worst qualities of those who abused us cause well...they also raised us and put their shit into our self structural basis. (my opinion again...I have no science to back up). The apple does not fall from the tree but what is hurting us is because the apple is different from the tree to some significant degree. It is pretty easy to either completely break down in trauma experience or take sort of the identity of the abuser as to feel some power to survive the ordeal.

The person needs to integrate the apple and the tree. The apple cannot disregard how bad the tree was. In other words, as bad as your mother was, it is possible she made you her image and you are hurting PRECISELY BECAUSE you are not her image...and all these therapists do not want to see YOU...but only the value input by your mother and you are rightfully resisting. If I were you, I would not discount about personality traits so easily, after all trauma can impact so many ways that may not be visible to us all at once. It is good you educate yourself about these hings

My humble advise to you is this...educate yourself about personality disorders. In my view personality traits are not as bad as chemical conditions and if you know what is holding you back, you can start to heal by becoming more mindful and be here and now and attune to your everyday relationships to see about your reactions to sort it out.

I am really sorry this therapist was batchit....she was not being upfront with you and I can see how this remind you of your mother by the fake facade.

Take care.
 
@Still Standing They don´t list the people who work there online, so I´d have to ask my current therapist basically. Thanks for the advice though.

@grit Yeah, she´s not batshit. I´m not defending her behavior, but implying she´s complete shit at her job and/or crazy is kind of uncalled for. Just because it doesn´t work with me, doesn´t mean it won´t work with someone else.
 
I disagree with @grit. I think it is horrible of you to say that the therapist is trying to say they have borderline.

I have had therapists that were good enough to admit when they didnt have the proper training or experience to handle certian issues. Therapists can have different levels of education and specialties. Thankgoodness they arent one size fits all.
 
@grit... Whilst DBT is the gold standard for Borderline, in the US it’s used for many many many different disorders, as well as for people with no disorder at all, but who need help learning emotional monitoring and regulation skills. For various reasons. It’s a super common treatment modality used with PTSD over here.

Anyway, I wasn´t aware that I was also going to be assessed for personality disorders as well because my therapist didn´t inform me - and I really would´ve liked a heads up on that one,

Just for future reference, a DDX / differential diagnosis is going to be looking at EVERY disorder in the book that shares symptoms with what you have. If you’re being tested for mood disorders? You have to rule out every other disorder they share symptoms with. That includes everything from anorexia to personality disorders. There are something like 300 disorders in the DSM5 (ETA - Okay, I looked it up, 297... And 16,000 in the ICD-10, but that includes medical as well as psych). Nearly all of those 300 disorders share symptoms. I skipped telepathy in university ;) , so I can’t say for sure why he didn’t run through all 300 of the disorders you’d be tested against, but I would strongly suspect it didn’t occur to him. In the same way that a medical doctor doesn’t usually run down the list of the hundreds of different kinds of bacteria an infection might be with their patient, but waits for lab to finish testing, and then talks with us about the results, ya know? Not that either doc couldn’t, it’s just something most people don’t ask about, so it wouldn’t be forefront in their minds for most docs.

I find it odd that a trauma specialist doesn´t know how to treat depressive symptoms since they´re so common,
Not everyone is good at everything. They may refer all their depressed clients, because their expertise really lies in trauma, or they may only be skilled at certain types of depression, lot of different things it could be. Very much agreed, having a clinician who knows their limits? And refers you to colleagues better suited to what you need, when you need it? Is awesome.
 
Hey @addvalueaddtime - I'm glad you stepped out of the shadows and posted. No need to apologise for lurking.:)

I might be pushing the re-set button on the work I´ve been doing.

^^^ Yes possibly but you will not have to start right back at the beginning. Your therapist should be able to give a referral giving her opinion of where you are at. So yes a new beginning but no right back at the start?

I find it all just really confusing and I don´t really know what I should be doing.
Yes it may be confusing but I think confusing is ok especially if it leads to clarity in the end. You are not signing up for life. If you go to the therapist who specialises in depression and get some relief from the depression (which may take a while) processing your trauma may be expedited. And honestly getting a handle over depression is so important because it is just so crushing.

it takes me a lot of time to find enough trust to talk more freely
The stress, confusion and anxiety with starting therapy with another person is understandable but likely will be short-lived once you begin. Trust might take a little longer. Reduction in stress etc., and a build up in trust will happen simultaneously...if you find this new therapist suitable.

no one therapist can specialize in everything.
Not everyone is good at everything.
I agree with @EveHarrington; @Fadeaway; and @Friday ^^^^

There is nothing wrong with your therapist.

I'd suggest you get the referral and go because nothing can be lost and there is a hell of a lot to be gained.:hug:
 
Thanks for your thoughts, I really appreciate it. I talked to the therapist today, and I will be switching therapists in the next few months. Still not clear what treatment they think I should be in, but I´ll be continuing seeing her until then.
 
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