Post Traumatic ... what?

[RiverDog]

PTSD "Post Traumatic Stress Disorder" ... all well and good until we reach the third word. Stress is when you trip over your underwear and hit your head on the bathroom wall and you have to explain to your work colleagues why there is a band aid on your forehead. Stress is when you really have to do do what you do not want to do. Stress is when you are waiting in lone for the woman with a mound of shopping in front of her and she is looking through 20 compartments in her bag for her bank card and there are 20 people in line behind. Stress is when your car gets cut off at an intersection. Stress is when you look at your wife and wonder why she eats in a noisy way. Stress is when you have to be somewhere but want to be anywhere else, disappear, fake your death. Anything to get out of it. That is stress.

What we are talking about here is the "R's". Post Traumatic Replaying, Retrieving, Renewing, Replaying, Syndrome.

 

[Dark.Green.Feathers]

Is the “study” a mis-tag?

Arguing over the semantics of diagnostic labels doesn’t really improve the recovery/management process very often.
I could make the same arguments about the naming of Anxiety disorders; It’s not anxiety, that’s trivial, it’s a “continuous, maladaptive fear and expecting the worst” syndrome.
Thankfully, a lot of people don’t have to be spoon-fed what these words actually mean and pertain to, in the context they’re used.

There is an issue with the trivialisation of mental illnesses, especially on social media in the west; flippant application of “trauma”, “panic attack”, etc. where it’s not actually appropriate. Watering down of what these things are… But I think anyone with critical thinking and the want to learn can get a decent pedestrian understanding of what PTSD, and other disorders, are and aren’t, when looking into it themselves.

 

[PlainJane]

@RiverDog, what kind of engagement are you looking for? Genuine question

 

[HomelessJoe]

As you mentioned stress is getting cut off in traffic. That's basically your answer post traumatic stress. Long after the trauma. We still get inconvenienced with a memory holding us up. Stressing us out.. Not blowing up on people because we are harboring memories we want to forget but can't. It's stressful. The word stress itself has stressed out everyone reading this. Because it most likely made us reflect on past trauma.

 

[RiverDog]

As you mentioned stress is getting cut off in traffic. That's basically your answer post traumatic stress. Long after the trauma. We still get inconvenienced with a memory holding us up. Stressing us out.. Not blowing up on people because we are harboring memories we want to forget but can't. It's stressful. The word stress itself has stressed out everyone reading this. Because it most likely made us reflect on past trauma.

but it is not stress. It is replaying, retrieving, renewing, recycling ... stress is a just a symptom of that

but it is not stress. It is replaying, retrieving, renewing, recycling ... stress is a just a symptom of that

The term PTSD was coined for the military. "Stress" makes no sense in the context of a world in which everything is stressful.

 

[Dark.Green.Feathers]

The term PTSD was coined for the military. "Stress" makes no sense in the context of a world in which everything is stressful.

We didn't coin the disorder. Arguing about what someone decades ago called this thing is pretty futile. People who hear “PTSD” don’t think of stubbing your toe levels of stress. People with PTSD, especially if in treatment, know what the actual experience is. Changing it causes unnecessary confusion.

Either way, stress exists on a sliding scale… like all other emotions. Severe stress kills many animals (especially aquatic life). Severe stress is detrimental to humans. Stress doesn’t happen in one set severity, just like anxiety.
We don’t need to rename PTSD to have better understanding of it than the people who coined it, based on the outside appearance of the disorder. We have to get deep into the mechanics of reliving and living by events of the past, in order to heal.

What do you want to do here?

 

[RiverDog]

We didn't coin the disorder. Arguing about what someone decades ago called this thing is pretty futile. People who hear “PTSD” don’t think of stubbing your toe levels of stress. People with PTSD, especially if in treatment, know what the actual experience is. Changing it causes unnecessary confusion.

Either way, stress exists on a sliding scale… like all other emotions. Severe stress kills many animals (especially aquatic life). Severe stress is detrimental to humans. Stress doesn’t happen in one set severity, just like anxiety.
We don’t need to rename PTSD to have better understanding of it than the people who coined it, based on the outside appearance of the disorder. We have to get deep into the mechanics of reliving and living by events of the past, in order to heal.

What do you want to do here?

@RiverDog, what kind of engagement are you looking for? Genuine question

What do I want to do? What on earth do you mean? My intention was to shake up perceptions and also to find out about Exposure Treatment. Given the passive aggressive response I hate gotten so far it would seem neither is possible. One big problem. Cultural. I am not American.

 

[Ecdysis]

Maybe think about the way you come across.

When your intent is to shake people up and then people react shaken up...

That's a surprise for you?

Maybe change your style of interaction to get different responses.

 

[RiverDog]

Maybe think about the way you come across.

When your intent is to shake people up and then people react shaken up...

That's a surprise for you?

Maybe change your style of interaction to get different responses.

So you want me to become someone I am not in order to relate to people on a forum where that should not even come into it. I made a huge mistake coming here.

 

[Ecdysis]

No I'm saying "trying to shake people up" is passive-aggressive too and that you might want to reflect on that.

 

[PlainJane]

Your original post contained broad statements that had nothing to do with the forum it was originally posted in.

I asked:

@RiverDog, what kind of engagement are you looking for?

to asertain exactly that. What kind of engagement are you looking for, so I can properly respond.


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but it is not stress. It is replaying, retrieving, renewing, recycling ... stress is a just a symptom of that

I understand what you mean. To apply your reasoning, however, replaying, retrieving, renewing, recycling are symptoms of the post trraumatic stress. Stress is difined as "Stress is the natural reaction your body has when changes or challenges occur. It can result in many different physical, emotional and behavioral responses." from the cleavland clinic. This definition suits what the disorder of post traumatic stress is indicative of.

"Stress" makes no sense in the context of a world in which everything is stressful.

Many things are stressful. Not all stresses are traumatic. A cool article you might like to sink you teeth into is The PTSD Cup Explanation, it braks down stress nicely.

My intention was to shake up perceptions and also to find out about Exposure Treatment.

Say so and ask. There are lots of people here that are happy to engage but we need to know what we're answering or discussing to chat with you.

Given the passive aggressive response I hate gotten so far it would seem neither is possible. One big problem. Cultural. I am not American.

Generally speaking, like face to face encounters, we tend to get back what we give, no? That aside. Maybe take a step back, look at the feedback and see if anything can be applied or helpful? Take what is helpful and leave the rest. I find it helpful to never assume tone and if I have a question about a person intent on their response, I simply ask.

Many folks on here are not American, like yourself. Coming onto an internationl forum you're going to run into a wide variety of responses, opinions and ways of communicating. So, when I ask what kind of engagement your looking for, I mean exactly that. Nothing passive agressive in my intent, void of ugly words, but simply a question to better engage with your content.

Is that helpful?

 

[Movingforward10]

I think a lot of things can be renamed. Or redefined.

The disorder part of PTSD is the bit that I think needs attention. It's a response, not a disorder. Imo.

I'm more concerned about other definitions though than PTSD. Like the legal definition of rape in the UK. I wish it was like the definition in the US.
So we all have our different tales on things.

Exposure therapy. I've not done it officially in that it hasn't been the main focus of therapy, but therapy has provided exposure n terms of exposing myself to triggers, or areas or 'things', has helped. The more I think about, or see, or do, something it takes the intensity out of it.