How are you coping with Epstein news? (not a debate thread)

[littleoc]

I'm not convinced there would actually be a difference because of the men doing the abusing. It's about them retaining power whoever they abuse.

That's true, you're right. I'm not sure why I said that part

 

[Muttly]

I'm deeply worried the president has seen me being raped, through video.

I am sorry you have to worry about this. It's one of the things I worry about. Not for me, but for the victims of the case. There's so much talk about justice, which is appropriate, but I worry the victims are getting lost in this.

Edit to add, sorry for being a downer about it. There's not really a way to lighten it, I suppose

No need to appologize. This is a place to speak your feelings and truth

and I like to know the facts and details of things to try and get clearer understanding than the sensationalist stuff and to feel seen and to probably punish myself and that also just messes me up because I’m not good at regulating my intake once I start.

This I very much relate to.

 

[Movingforward10]

This isn't about the files. We all know what happened.

I agree. What is it about then? It's not about helping victims or bringing justice or making social change. I got no idea what it is about other than some drama to detract from some other shit going on?
Nothing will change from releasing these files because those people are presidents and have had civil claims upheld against them before and people still vote them in. And our royal family in the UK, so he has lost titles but he lives in some lovely homes and nothing has changed.

I have rage boiling over. It just seems voyeriusm now. Sensational shit for some news stories. Sick.

 

[shimmerz]

I agree. What is it about then? It's not about helping victims or bringing justice or making social change. I got no idea what it is about other than some drama to detract from some other shit going on?
Nothing will change from releasing these files because those people are presidents and have had civil claims upheld against them before and people still vote them in. And our royal family in the UK, so he has lost titles but he lives in some lovely homes and nothing has changed.

I have rage boiling over. It just seems voyeriusm now. Sensational shit for some news stories. Sick.

It's about sick and twisted men and women of high means getting what they want - when they want it with no fear of punishment. I think it is about sadism, greed and domination. I think these files are an attempt at appeasemnt. Is the populace dumb enough to be appeased? Do we really want transparency in the files themselves or do we actually want this disgusting behaviour to stop? If we want it to stop, we need to demand that. It seems obvious that seeing redacted pictures really jusst keeps stirring up upset - which is perfect fodder for sadists.

 

[Movingforward10]

It's about sick and twisted men and women of high means getting what they want - when they want it with no fear of punishment. I think it is about sadism, greed and domination. I think these files are an attempt at appeasemnt. Is the populace dumb enough to be appeased? Do we really want transparency in the files themselves or do we actually want this disgusting behaviour to stop? If we want it to stop, we need to demand that. It seems obvious that seeing redacted pictures really jusst keeps stirring up upset - which is perfect fodder for sadists.

Agreed. It is all perverse.

 

[PamelaS]

Last night, on Christmas Day, my son revealed to me some of the horrid things that were done to him 0-3.5 years. Being on the autism spectrum gives him the wonderful opportunity to retain vivid memories of it all. It breaks my heart how it haunts him. All of the media coverage has stirred up memories that had previously been repressed. I am tempted to hate men. But it’s the evil they choose to do that I truly hate. I think that there might be good men, but it’s hard to believe when the ones in your life haven’t demonstrated it. Sorry for the downer. I’m supposed to go out to lunch with my daughter and her husband today. I’d rather stay in bed. Don’t know whether I will be able to go or not. I think not. One more day. Just get through one more day. Going to bed.

 

[Rose White]

getting what they want - when they want it with no fear of punishment. I think it is about sadism, greed and domination.

I hadn’t considered that it’s almost like showing off what they can get away with. A demonstration of power to desensitize us and keep us quiet. It doesn’t even matter if people speak out loud about it anymore—they just turn it into a farce.

And hiding the faces of the women. Like veiled concubines. Voiceless, faceless, lost.

 

[whiteraven]

So for me, it makes me very angry.
Because it just more of the same.
People know.
And people turn away and don't care
Maybe it triggers too much for me

Same.

And it has left me trusting less in...well, everyone and everything. I didn't think that was possible.

 

[iforgivebayley]

I feel kind of shit knowing that every other teenager is treating Epstein like a funny meme guy and making edgy jokes... some of them are funny because yes, the situation is absolutely disgusting and Epstein, Maxwell and all the other perpetrators don't deserve to be taken seriously, but in turn the survivors should be at least discussed, right? But no, of course everyone's focussing on the bad guys because it's macabre, it's human nature, it's whatever. I've read some of the files on a searchable google doc that someone compiled and I stopped when I felt sick, which was early on. I don't know why we have so much shame as a society that men and women with an ounce of power take it out on little girls. The Epstein files make me hate the world

 

[Grasping Hope]

I respectfully disagree that we already know what happened... unless any of us was actually there. The general public knows only the tip of the iceberg, the part about teenage girls groomed and then trafficked. There must be a name for this technique. It's what the ruling class does when the truth is inevitably coming out about one of their atrocities. Choose one of their own to throw under the bus, release a small amount of the truth, bring the media onside and act like they've discovered a one-off horror and dealt with it. The public get to shudder and say "ain't it awful" but there is never enough information released for people to put the full picture together.
This is what they did with MK Ultra. When it couldn't be kept a secret anymore, they released just enough for people to have a vague idea that it had something to do with drug experiments for the purposes of winning the Cold War. Meanwhile, the rest of the information, especially the part about thousands of tortured children, was never brought out.
To clarify, I do understand that some are worried about victim information coming out and people being retraumatized. I'm 100% against any of that.
We need to differentiate between "list" and "files." The information about who was involved is already out there if you look. At least, a lot of it is. The files, on the other hand, contain information that if it got out there would bring down this whole corrupt worldwide satanic system, lock, stock, and barrel. Politics. Banking. Big Pharma. Everything. If you listen to the survivors and the whistleblowers and put it together with research through alternative channels, this is clear. That's why the files have not been released. And that's why they must be, even though the truth is so shocking that it will cause a whole lot of nervous breakdowns. Exactly what negotiations are going on behind the scenes as to when and how all the information comes out is above my paygrade, but obviously there has to be a whole new system ready to pick up the pieces as the old one falls apart. This is not something we can slap a band-aid on. This is "tear everything down and begin from scratch" time.
This is about so much more than "just" Epstein Island. It's about opening people's eyes to the system that made it happen.
To answer the original question about how it's affecting us... it's been hell on wheels for me since last spring, the first round of expecting the truth to come out and then being disappointed and gaslit. It's made me turn within because I have found absolutely no one able to understand where I'm coming from on this. I see red with every lie from another politician and every two-faced media personality who clearly could not care less about the victims or the survivors. Past and present. Enough already. Enough using abused children as political pawns. Enough distracting the public with fake news and false flags in the hopes they'll forget. Ain't gonna happen. This is when the veil comes off. 2026. It's gonna be a bumpy ride.

 

[Grasping Hope]

I hope I haven't crossed the line into "debate" territory. There's some grey area because "how it's affecting us" is hard to disentangle from "what our world view is that makes us see it this way." "The personal is political" comes to mind here, except I'd take it several steps beyond that into... oh, sorry, I'm getting on my soap box again. I'll stop.

 

[anthony]

I think the Epstein saga is a shit show. Other than Epstein and Maxwell going to jail, nothing has happened. All these high profile people abusing kids (under 18). Nobody is in jail. WTF?