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Article On Spectrum Of Dissociation

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@Kim: Carl Jung coined intro/extro-versions personality types, and a mother daughter team Myers & Briggs expanded his research. You are looking for the Myers & Briggs personality type test. If you do a search for my posts about this subject, you'll see I've mentioned it several times, but there isn't many who bit and were willing to discuss it with me in detail.

I'm a firm IN, and a middle of the road for the other 2. INTJ is what I am mostly, but have flexability for the F & P.

Personality develops a lot like how the circulatory & nervous systems develop -- exploratory in nature (not genetically determined, but flexable to allow for adaptaions to the current environment it is developing in). What works is kept and what doesn't is reabsorbed and recycled.
 
Hey there Muse! :)

There is that psychological test which pinpoints personality "types" ... breaking it down into 4 categories. Perhaps someone will remember what this test is formally called???

Oh that's the Myers-Briggs 'personality test' based on the work of Jung. There are quite a few personality tests out there and this is a popular one that gives you the dichotomies of Extroversion vs Introversion, Sensing vs Intuition, Thinking vs Feeling, and Judging vs Perception. I'm an INFJ.

Here is an online one for free you can get the basic results from. But I have to warn, that there are many personality types, and many test of personality.

http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes1.htm

This could be bottled and sold as a "super-human" formula!! I would buy it!!!

If you could bottle your extroversion for me, I think we can make an exchange. Invisibleness can be a real pain when an hour later, you are still waiting to order a coffee :D
 
There is menace of a hampster running the wheel in my brain ... he is relentless!!! And the wheel squeaks a lot some days, needs some grease or more info to work with. He doesn't just run INSIDE the wheel ... he jumps ON TOP of it, doing some kind of log-rolling-balancing act ... then he lays on his back and spins it with his feet. Sometimes he even stands beside it and gives it a whirl like he is on a tv game show ... show me the money!!! LOL ... My point? I think outside the box ... which doesn't make me too popular and I get people looking at me like this >> :rolleyes:. I want some of those electro-doo-dads attached to my scalp and a monitor that shows the activity levels in the various regions of my brain. That way I will know where to place the cheese and arsenic for Mr. Hampster!!!

The above was sort of an apology for what I am about to get into next in regards to the dissociation topic ... how much is biology/chemistry/anatomy ... how much is difficult to quantify or qualify because it is spiritual and / or an intangible sort of phenomenon of the subconscious levels of brain activity? If metaphysics is involved ... then is it possible that our environment (the "nurture" placed alongside "nature") is a lot more expansive than what we interact with using our 5 main senses? Sure, we have been traumatized by THIS tangibly violent place of so many possible atrocities ... but have there been perhaps some other influences to improve or worsen our states of mind/body/soul??? Could an interaction within a different realm be occuring while in the dissociative state??? This is my personal belief.

Are our minds "blank" while dissociating? Are they being "etched" with new information/perspective? Could our brains be "evolving" or "healing" or making "new" connections between neuron synapses? Growth spurts are painful ... learning requires effort ... nothing evolves overnight except for the shoemaker who had elves to do his work at night??? If sleep/dreams can give us answers for problems ... maybe dissociation is a form of the same thing.

Having had a Near Death Experience ... I have read a lot on the topic ... and hey, if you've had this type of experience facing death, it is safe to presume there has been some sort of trauma! LOL. Skeptics will use scientific means to provoke similar experiences for individuals ... using pharmaceuticals and "other" means I don't care to describe because it is gross. This is their way of proclaiming that the experience is rooted in biology/anatomy/chemisty ... which it is ... but that only tells half of the story. If the brain is designed for communication ... why should this communication be limited to the here and now physical existence? IMO, they have merely discoved the parts/make-up of the brain that were designed to interact BEYOND the here and now.

I have so much more I could say on this whole topic. But I'll stop where I'm at to only suggest that once we die ... we are in the ultimate state of dissociation and the possibilties beyond that are endlessly awesome ... or endlessly excruciating. It might depend what you have your "third eye" on ... where your pineal gland is focussed??? My advice (take it or leave it) is to search for truth in all matters ... truth is often painful but the only way to find meaningful peace when all is said and done.

I wish you ALL healing ...
Kim
 
I keep on thinking there must be a bridge, there must be a bridge. I think art is the language that can combine these elements. Art doesn't have any logic to it.


Have you ever heard that "7" is considered a "sacred" number? Think of the 7 colours in the rainbow ... the group of 7 artists. Think of the 7 notes in a musical scale. The 7 wonders of the world. The 7 chakras explained in Buddhism. The 7 churches/angels/trumpets in the Bible.

I believe art, music, invention, meditation and prayer are all bridges ... all forms of communication that can be given or received. Just be careful of "what or who" is communicating to you! Just as in life "here" ... there is trickery in the expanse beyond "here".

A lot of our experiences defy our limited definitions of "logic" ...

Happy painting!!! :)
 
Yay for Kimpersonal! Thanks for your post!

Didn't we want to have a chat about this?

I have so much to say about this topic, but can't do it really on this forum. It feels way to public for me. And who knows it might trigger me real bad.

I don't paint. But I am thinking about it. I make music and I sing. Singing grounds me. About the only thing other then my children that grounds me.
 
Getting back to the incident I mentioned with the cold water, there are many times I say that the thing bothering me "is not real." This works well on me, as I learned to D at a very young age when fantasy and reality didn't exist as separate.

Therefore, I can play with those notions easily.

Yes, The Kiersey Temperments: I have wondered if life molds these into place or if we come already wired with a temperment. And how does temperment/biology play into who will develop what disorder or giftedness? Good questions that I can't see us answering for a long time, if ever.

Lately, I'm accepting that most of life is a mystery, and that as a child, I was fascinated by that. Why not be fascinated with life now, too, even though I am suffering with problems, that doesn't take away my ability to look at life as mysterious and intriguing. Keeping that zest for mystery alive will likely keep me alive, when nothing else will.

When someone is triggering me, I say to myself, "this isn't really real," and I am able separate myself from my fear long enough to get through the time period using this same method. I am not sure it is dissociation in all cases. Some would call it Compartmentalization, or perhaps, Derealization--a type of Dissociation.

Last night, I wanted to connect with my H, but felt too PTSD'd/overwhelmed, as I have lately, and I went through the motions, but still could not connect. When he said he could tell I was disconnected, I told him that I felt he was not really there, that he is just a figment of my imagination. I could not look at him, touch him and feel his presence as a human being. I was having dissociation/derealization.

Then, I realized this is a long pattern for me. It is why I don't always listen well, want to interact with others, and why I seem to hate it when they come up and touch me. It seems to threaten the "bubble" I create by plunging the world around me into the category of "fantasy" or "not really real." When that bubble bursts, I feel like I have woken into the nightmare of living with PTSD and am fully present to feel that pain on all levels suddenly.

This is bothersome to me, but I fear it leaves my loved ones feeling I don't love them or want them, but I do. I just want to escape the feeling of living with PTSD my whole life. I am trying to survive the only way I can.

I do not have access to CBT or EMDR or trauma therapy here. Only the SGB, possibly, which I am looking into. And the funny thing is, I want it so I can be a better wife/mother/friend/coworker more than just for myself, but I also don't want to be anxious/depressed my whole life either.

I wonder if I would still be using dissociation if the PTSD levels dropped down to nothing? Another mystery. Thanks!
 
If you could bottle your extroversion for me, I think we can make an exchange. Invisibleness can be a real pain when an hour later, you are still waiting to order a coffee :D


Invisibility prevents the waitress from slopping the coffee on your lap!!! I can dress up ... but going out anywhere leads to stains and occasional scaldings/scoldings. LOL. Dissociating takes away the burn and the sting of physical/emotional injury though, I find. It is actually helpful in my world!

I can be very extroverted ... or very intoverted. It always depends on the environment I am in. Easy to be extroverted on-line! Nobody can see my geeky face. :geek:
 
Thank you to 712 and to PTSD sufferer for replacing the lost name ... of course! Meyers-Briggs! DOH!

I'm with you 712 in the idea that the results of this test are not "static" but "fluid". Adaptation and flexibility is going to occur ... like it or not .... change is inevitable.

Off to change my underpants ... accidents happen and I don't want to be caught by Mom. Flashback. Sorry.

Kim
 
When someone is triggering me, I say to myself, "this isn't really real," and I am able separate myself from my fear long enough to get through the time period using this same method. I am not sure it is dissociation in all cases. Some would call it Compartmentalization, or perhaps, Derealization--a type of Dissociation.

Dear Muse, while I was in the hospital not too long ago, and also for quite some time afterwards, I had this understanding. In the hospital I was pretty much convinced that this world was not real and therefore had no problems having extreme suicide ideation.

The problem was a complex one. My mother is one of my abusers. I love her but we had a huge fight/ argument just before I went into crisis. She has this way of wanting to fix my problems in order to ease her guilt trip. And exactly that is what she always tells me, or rather YELLS at me "This is world is not real. Change your thoughts. You can be happy by just changing your thoughts!" I felt like she was pointing a gun at my head and yelling "THIS WORLD IS NOT REAL!"... You know? I'm like what about my body? Something has to be done about it...! I finally helped her to understand that she can't help me that way and my derealizations got better.

Sometimes it comes again, if I am in panic I start dissociating real bad and everything goes fuzzy. Last time I ended up walking to my doctors office and hiding in the bathroom crying and hyperventilating. I didn't really want to do that but saw myself making the decision to go there, completely losing control of myself.

The amount I am numb to myself, to my loved ones, to my reality is extreme. I am completely in debt and it barely bothers me. I often don't need to eat. Sometimes I just freeze. I get overwhelmed because I don't live with my children, but I am also triggered after I see them and have to say goodbye to them. I don't feel like I am living in my body. The body feels so irrelevant. If this has been like this for YEARS, how to find a way to go back to the body? The subject confuses me and triggers me at the same time.
 
Nadia: Dissociation is a lot like smoking pot (from what I hear). I truly have never smoked it but I've read and hear it has very similar effect that we experience naturally. It can give you the I don't give a fly-f#ck feeling about everything. Even if a piece of you still does care, it just is a relief when we do disconnect that the 'RELIEF' overrides all else.

Kim: We can learn (like a circus goat) how to do certain things outside our natural personality, but we can't naturally BE that. A crab can't be a bear, but it can learn how to act tough to scare away preditors. I will never be an extrovert, but I've learned how to trick others for a short time, when I have the energy, that I can do those extroverted things.

Energy is the key thing -- if it drains you of energy and you have to pump yourself up for it each time, this is not your natural state. If you can do something all day everyday without many problems (taking into account the normal wear & tear & need for a break), this IS your natural environment. The thing is to recognize these things, and be mindful and honest to yourself who and what you are, so that you can better take care of yourself, and don't stretch yourself too far outside your natural state (and for too long).

Knowing is important. If you don't know and understand why you are happy, why you are so stressed, why why why ... then there can't be a solution/resolution to how to fix it.

I agree with those that said dissociation is just another tool/adaptation that can be used in good ways or bad ways. Like Eleanor said -- it is useful till it isn't. :)
 
Nadia: Dissociation is a lot like smoking pot (from what I hear). I truly have never smoked it but I've read and hear it has very similar effect that we experience naturally. It can give you the I don't give a fly-f#ck feeling about everything. Even if a piece of you still does care, it just is a relief when we do disconnect that the 'RELIEF' overrides all else.

I can agree that dissociaiting is like a drug. In my case I don't feel like I have control of it. Which is just real painful. I mean how much of my life have I given up for this? I can't even pursue my music. When I am freezing up, I see this has gotten out of control. Now that I know it is due to trauma, I hope to find the solution. I am in tears about it.
 
I'm sorry Nadia; there is hope. Once you learn the situations that cause you these reactions, and learn your natural state of being ... learn how far you can stretch yourself before these bad reactions over take you; these things can be remedied and managed. It does take a lot of energy and time to figure it out and find proper solutions/managing skills for them.

If I could box up some of my time I'm not using, I would send it to you straight away, to help you feel like even if you've lost a lot of time, you still have lots left ... in excess even.

Has anyone ever stocked up on a yummy food treat, then the next day you find you are disinterested in eating it? Maybe because it was the novelty; your liking only rested inside the rare egg perspective. I liked it because I didn't have much of it. Now that I have lots, it isn't as special.

That is how I see life now. I have so very little of it inside me left (energy, wants, desires) that I am taking each dayin chunks of half hours and less. I'm less on autopilot and more in the trenches and aware of each moment that passes, but in an observer kind of way. I'm not experiencing the moments, but watching them pass by me. Watching people interact with me, yet not feeling a physical tethered connection. Aware of the moment in time, but not feeing apart of it.
 
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